SHOT IT TODAY (12/27) -- I crossed over to the Dark-Side...

1894c · Post by **1894c** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:58 am

Hi-- well I did it, I put together, with the help of a good friend, and some donated parts (sometimes it's good to be a pastor/LE chaplain), a simple version of a EBR. Parts came from Palmetto State Armory, bought a complete upper, and a unfinished lower with the associated pieces parts, plus a mil-spec BCG and carry handle. Used Magpol OD Green "furniture". My cost into this EBG is $430.00. My girls bought me a bunch of 30-rnd mags made by D&H (on sale for $5.99 a piece) for Christmas, and I picked up another pile of Colt 20-rnd mags, and another pile of assorted ammo. I guess this is where I say--bring it on...then maybe not...

My Wife looked at the EBG and said it was ugly and looked dangerous, and asked the question WHY...I asked her if she wanted to shoot it and she said YES, go figure...

Never really wanted a EBR, but HOBIE recommended that we should all own one, I decided that it might be a good idea, especially in light of our current societal de-evolution... :)

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RANGE REPORT: A friend of mine and myself shot the PSA AR-15 today (I have no targets to show, because it's very difficult to retrieve them at the range we were at)... the AR shot well, no function issues, the accuracy with iron sights was good. My friend shoots "service rifle" and is a very good shot, he kept his groups under an 1" at 100 yards using Wal-Mart Federal 55gr. bullets, my groups were within an inch (slightly more) at the same distance... :)

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:14 am

Nice! My wife says "That's your militant gun". She has no interest in shooting it as she prefers shottys.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:23 am

Put a suppressor on it and let her shoot it, and she'll probably decide it is one of her favorite guns; quiet, no recoil, compact, accurate, durable - what's not to like...?

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:49 am

Very nice...the more guys who have these, the less likely "they" will mess with our rights.

What twist is the barrel?---------------6

Now you need one of these with a "fun switch"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7itVQNs1eY

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:58 am

1892 wrote:Never really wanted a EBR, but HOBIE recommended that we should all own one, I decided that it might be a good idea, especially in light of our current societal de-evolution...

Yep, it's Hobie's fault I have one also!

daisygordoninc · Post by **daisygordoninc** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:02 am

I thought we all had one or more of those "safeguards" to our liberty.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:50 am

Many summers ago I had the opportunity to fire a full blown M-16 and of course the AR-15 version. That acted like an immunization against me ever wanting one of those Mattel toys.

And I seriously doubt that owning those things will dissuade the gov one tiny bit from taking them all when they decide too. Most owners are chicken shits and will just roll over when told. Those few who stand up and fight will just die a quicker death.

JMNSHO

Joe

Birdman · Post by **Birdman** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:06 am

These things are ugly and don't do much for me. But, I have one or two and will always have them around. IMHO they are versatile, easy to shoot and carry, and would be my preference in a bad situation. I'd still rather shoot my leveractions and Sharps. When I'm showing off these are the last thing on my mind and even the young guys get a bigger kick out of shooting my Sharps because it's "old".

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:47 pm

Nice, 1892, real nice

1894c · Post by **1894c** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:58 pm

Sixgun wrote:
What twist is the barrel?---------------6

The barrel twist is 1:7, it's made by FNH, the receiver forging is made by Anker Harvey (AH), which also makes forgings for Colt...

J Miller -- I too felt the way you did (AR-15...meh), and have had plenty of experience in shooting them with the LE Agency I serve (free tax-payer funded ammo)--BUT, with the "active shooter training" I have received over the last 6-years, the desire to shoot and own something different than my leverguns, and to be added to the great company of the "Chicken Slitz's"

I decided to put one together...YMMV...

tman · Post by **tman** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:56 pm

daisygordoninc wrote:I thought we all had one or more of those "safeguards" to our liberty.

+1

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:06 pm

Well done

M. M. Wright · Post by **M. M. Wright** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:12 pm

I thought you were talking about Black Powder! You need to go there too.

Like most here I think everyone should have one but I will probably grab my FAL if a need arises.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:20 pm

M. M. Wright wrote:I thought you were talking about Black Powder! You need to go there too...

+1!

GonnePhishin · Post by **GonnePhishin** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:42 pm

Very nice acquisition.

BrianSH · Post by **BrianSH** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:59 pm

I've picked up a few nice 357's I didn't need, from guys needing money or getting divorced and needed to either get money or would rather sell it than give it to the "ex".

its post Christmas time and with the fluctuation in AR prices, maybe I'll pick one up so some guy can pay his visa bill. I do have a friend that did ok buying low and selling high these past few years on AR's. - Brian

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:01 pm

Griff wrote:
M. M. Wright wrote:I thought you were talking about Black Powder! You need to go there too...
+1!

news to me. never heard of anyone shooting black powder in the AR, but hey, there's lots of stuff I don't know .
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vancelw · Post by **vancelw** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:27 pm

It would definitely get some attention at the range!

Not that it would make the AR beast any more/less of a pain to clean, either!

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:52 pm

Unless the USMC trained you, you can clean an AR in about five minutes.

What's the big deal?

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:54 pm

you realize of course that one of the pilgrims gonna havto try it.

I'll hold your beverage AND the camera ...

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:10 pm

The dark side is good too ----- now if only they would chamber an AR in a rimless .45 Colt ! -- Hmmmmmmmm

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:29 pm

Sixgun wrote:

Now you need one of these with a "fun switch"

Only if you are buying the ammo Sixgun!

vancelw · Post by **vancelw** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:38 pm

MrMurphy wrote:Unless the USMC trained you, you can clean an AR in about five minutes.

What's the big deal?

You answered your own question.

Takes 3 consecutive days.....

jhrosier · Post by **jhrosier** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:02 am

Streetstar wrote:The dark side is good too ----- now if only they would chamber an AR in a rimless .45 Colt ! -- Hmmmmmmmm

Do a search for .458 Socom

Jack

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:28 am

Nice.

I haven't owned one since the mid 90's. I've been thinking more about it as the prices have come down so much lately.

piller · Post by **piller** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:01 am

I have one of those poodle shooters. They are ugly, but they have their uses. If the manure hits the electric wind creation machine, they might just be good to have, but mine is not for such a purpose. I have scoped mine, and the next time I go out to the area where I grew up, I want to try it on Prairie Dogs.

firefuzz · Post by **firefuzz** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:20 am

daisygordoninc wrote:I thought we all had one or more of those "safeguards" to our liberty.

More and more I'm becoming convinced that just as the '73 Winchester is maybe not accurately, but historically known as "the gun that won the West", the AR15 may very well become known by future generations as the gun that saved the Republic. Right now I'm doing my best to obtain one for every adult member of my family.

Rob

firefuzz · Post by **firefuzz** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:27 am

J Miller wrote: And I seriously doubt that owning those things will dissuade the gov one tiny bit from taking them all when they decide too. Most owners are chicken shits and will just roll over when told. Those few who stand up and fight will just die a quicker death.

JMNSHO

Joe

You know, that may very well be true. But I'm old enough and have seen enough that I know I'd rather die on my feet than live and have to watch my grandchildren live on their knees. Some things are more important than taking that next, miserable breath. And I don't intend to make it easy for them.

Rob

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:58 am

1892-firefuzz-others,

I'm not singling out any person on this forum with that comment. However I have known, and I suspect we all do, people that talk up a big storm, but when the storm troopers come for the guns they'll just meekly surrender them.
And I suspect those types are more in the majority than those of us that will stand up and say ... NO.
That's basically it.

As far as a gun to save the Republic, I guess I'm old school. I prefer a 30 cal.

Joe

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:05 pm

J Miller wrote: As far as a gun to save the Republic, I guess I'm old school. I prefer a 30 cal.
Joe

HERE YA GO

300AAC Blackout. A 30 cal gun to preserve the republic for which it stands . . .

firefuzz · Post by **firefuzz** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:46 pm

Grizz wrote:
J Miller wrote: As far as a gun to save the Republic, I guess I'm old school. I prefer a 30 cal.
Joe

HERE YA GO

300AAC Blackout. A 30 cal gun to preserve the republic for which it stands . . .

Got one of those too....only mine's a little longer on both ends.

Rob

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 6:13 pm

firefuzz wrote:
Grizz wrote:
J Miller wrote: As far as a gun to save the Republic, I guess I'm old school. I prefer a 30 cal.
Joe

HERE YA GO

300AAC Blackout. A 30 cal gun to preserve the republic for which it stands . . .
Got one of those too....only mine's a little longer on both ends.

Rob

Mine, too... but WHAT DO YOU HAVE, GRIZZ...???? That makes me want an even-shorter phallic-symbol/gun...

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 6:44 pm

Streetstar wrote:The dark side is good too ----- now if only they would chamber an AR in a rimless .45 Colt ! -- Hmmmmmmmm

........check out the 50 Beowulf.........

Knew a guy who had a 458 Socom, but he hadn't shot it all that much and I only shot a few rounds through it so can't comment on 'quirks'. I'd planned on getting one until I read reviews of the Alexander Arms 50 Beowulf, and it looked like the latter would propel a 400 grain bullet the same speed the SOCOM would send a 300 grain one downrange, plus be a full half-inch diameter, so I wound up getting one of them instead*. Once you get past the funny-looking cases, it's a cool cartridge, and after I shot one, there's no way I'd go back to the SOCOM - not enough 'thump' for me...

(I think Cabela's still sells the uppers (no lower modifications needed, and I use regular 20-round steel 223 magazines to hold seven rounds with no modification).

Think 45-70'ish ballistics in an AR-15 platform...400 grains at 1800 fps

(See GunBlast review - http://www.gunblast.com/50Beowulf.htm)

(...*even though Beowulf is a 'Girl Gun' - http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=48904...)

Panzercat · Post by **Panzercat** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 6:44 pm

LUBE.

Ahem. Sorry.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:12 pm

AJMD429 wrote: Mine, too... but WHAT DO YOU HAVE, GRIZZ...???? That makes me want an even-shorter phallic-symbol/gun...

300 BLK but had to send the upper back for a technicality. It has a 10.5 " barrel and fits nicely in the top of the console with full size mag.

I since got a 556 M4 pattern barrel and a slick side upper receiver so I have to feed both maws now. Still a few parts shy of a functioning carbine. Ordered steel mags for the 556 so I can try to keep the ammo separate.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:17 pm

Think 45-70'ish ballistics in an AR-15 platform...400 grains at 1800 fps

I think I saw 500gr bullets for the 458.

Is the 50 accurate?

1894c · Post by **1894c** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:35 am

J Miller wrote:1892-firefuzz-others,

I'm not singling out any person on this forum with that comment. However I have known, and I suspect we all do, people that talk up a big storm, but when the storm troopers come for the guns they'll just meekly surrender them.
And I suspect those types are more in the majority than those of us that will stand up and say ... NO.
That's basically it.

As far as a gun to save the Republic, I guess I'm old school. I prefer a 30 cal.

Joe

J Miller -- I for one appreciate your comments and take no offense, it's real easy to say blah-blah-blah if our Constitutional Rights get over-turned (you should hear all of the tough-guy-bad-butt talk in the back seat of a patrol car--we call them "hand-cuffed warriors").

I have a friend from Austria, he told me that when they were coming for his relatives and neighbor guns they refused and declined the invitation of the two uniformed gentlemen at the front door--they kept their firearms, they still have them... :)

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:10 am

Streetstar wrote:The dark side is good too ----- now if only they would chamber an AR in a rimless .45 Colt ! -- Hmmmmmmmm

Try .458 SOCOM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_SOCOM

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:36 am

Streetstar wrote:The dark side is good too ----- now if only they would chamber an AR in a rimless .45 Colt ! -- Hmmmmmmmm

GUYS!

The .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowulf are NOT rimless .45 Colts! They are rebated rim .45-70s, .50-90s, etc.

Now THIS is an AR chambered in rimless .45 Colt:

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:39 am

Grizz wrote:Is the 50 accurate?

Absolutely. I prefer it over the .458 SOCOM for a couple reasons, but both turn the AR into a completely different beast. I fired a .458 SOCOM full auto once . . .

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:07 am

Grizz wrote:Is the 50 accurate?

When I put the 4x scope on mine the 4" gong is never missed at 100 yards. Usually breaks the support wire and I have to go find it. Outta put my 32x on it and try for groups someday; many folks claim they cloverleaf consistently at 100 yards (course with half inch holes its easier than with a 223...

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Panzercat · Post by **Panzercat** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:12 am

7.62 Precision wrote:
Streetstar wrote:The dark side is good too ----- now if only they would chamber an AR in a rimless .45 Colt ! -- Hmmmmmmmm
GUYS!

The .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowulf are NOT rimless .45 Colts! They are rebated rim .45-70s, .50-90s, etc.

Now THIS is an AR chambered in rimless .45 Colt:

Annnnnd once again, you're killing me.
Is that a mostly standard lower on that?

(and www.HighReady.com redirects to a Century21 page)

firefuzz · Post by **firefuzz** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:33 am

J Miller wrote:1892-firefuzz-others,

I'm not singling out any person on this forum with that comment. However I have known, and I suspect we all do, people that talk up a big storm, but when the storm troopers come for the guns they'll just meekly surrender them.
And I suspect those types are more in the majority than those of us that will stand up and say ... NO.
That's basically it.

As far as a gun to save the Republic, I guess I'm old school. I prefer a 30 cal.

Joe

No offense taken, just making my position known. And I do agree with you. But if only one in five that say they'll stand does we'll be okay.

Rob

firefuzz · Post by **firefuzz** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:54 am

J Miller wrote:As far as a gun to save the Republic, I guess I'm old school. I prefer a 30 cal. Joe

Will this one work?

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:32 am

firefuzz wrote:
J Miller wrote:As far as a gun to save the Republic, I guess I'm old school. I prefer a 30 cal. Joe
Will this one work?

Yep sure will.

Joe

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 11:57 am

That appears to be an old Cavalry Arms polymer lower.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:53 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Grizz wrote:Is the 50 accurate?
When I put the 4x scope on mine the 4" gong is never missed at 100 yards. Usually breaks the support wire and I have to go find it. Outta put my 32x on it and try for groups someday; many folks claim they cloverleaf consistently at 100 yards (course with half inch holes its easier than with a 223... )

minute of venison heart or brain, all I require. sounds like I'm drifting into the 50 camp.

a big plus, it makes the metro-weenies squirm even more.

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:52 pm

Panzercat wrote: Annnnnd once again, you're killing me.
Is that a mostly standard lower on that?

Cavalry Arms lowers are designed to accept grease gun magazines. For a while, we were putting to gather a number of these for customers who had Cav Arms lowers. They are super fun to shoot, but really should be SBRed. After 10" to 11", you don't gain anything with the .45 ACP. You could do .460 Rowland as well, just by pushing out the chamber.

Like shooting a .22 - no recoil whatsoever, and pretty quiet in the 16" barrel. They could be somewhat practical if you did the .460 thing, too, or suppressed in .45 ACP.

We did some 9mm, .40 S&W and one 357 SIG, but they used standard lowers and Sten magazines, had higher recoil and were not as easy to get running smoothly - had to pin mag blocks in exactly the right angle to get them to feed (different on every rifle, and then mags had to be tested to find which ones worked). 9mm had noticeable recoil, too, while the .45 ACP doesn't even move. 9mm and the others benefit more form a longer barrel than .45 ACP does.

The .45s with Cav lowers and Greas Gun mags always ran great. GWACS Armory now makes the lowers. I guess I should make one for the kids someday - I have a stack of old Cav Arms lowers.

tman · Post by **tman** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:59 pm

J Miller wrote:Many summers ago I had the opportunity to fire a full blown M-16 and of course the AR-15 version. That acted like an immunization against me ever wanting one of those Mattel toys.

And I seriously doubt that owning those things will dissuade the gov one tiny bit from taking them all when they decide too. Most owners are chicken shits and will just roll over when told. Those few who stand up and fight will just die a quicker death.

JMNSHO

Joe

Can't really make a statement like that, unless you been there and back, even then, with age and health, who knows. If nothing else, if the masses are purchasing military style weapons, primarily to send a message to the powers to be, dem and Rep, that there may be some resistance to a tryannical take over,than it's a plus for US. Nobody knows what and how they will do or react until their backs are up against the wall.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:25 pm

tman wrote:
J Miller wrote:Many summers ago I had the opportunity to fire a full blown M-16 and of course the AR-15 version. That acted like an immunization against me ever wanting one of those Mattel toys.

And I seriously doubt that owning those things will dissuade the gov one tiny bit from taking them all when they decide too. Most owners are chicken shits and will just roll over when told. Those few who stand up and fight will just die a quicker death.

JMNSHO

Joe
Can't really make a statement like that, unless you been there and back, even then, with age and health, who knows. If nothing else, if the masses are purchasing military style weapons, primarily to send a message to the powers to be, dem and Rep, that there may be some resistance to a tryannical take over,than it's a plus for US. Nobody knows what and how they will do or react until their backs are up against the wall.

Once upon a time, the Jews meekly gave up their arms in Europe. This is why they say "Never Again".....I think "we" know why. It's time to keep spreading the message.