POLITICS: Sorry to flog a dead horse...

[Old Ironsights]

But because too many peopleare afraid of Ron Paul and Liberty, one of the three Dead Horses is going to be president.

"Mayors Alliance against 'Illegal' Guns"

The coalition is launching a new television advertisement drawing attention to the bipartisan common ground that exists between all 3 presidential candidates when it comes to protecting Americans from crimes committed with illegal guns. Featured in the ad are Mayor John Peyton of Jacksonville, a McCain supporter; Mayor Sheila Dixon of Baltimore, an Obama supporter; Mayor Thomas Menino of Boston, a Clinton supporter; and Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York, an undecided voter. The ad will run nationwide on cable, as well as network television in the home states of the presidential candidates, the home cities of the mayors in the ad, and in Pennsylvania in advance of their April 22 primary.

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org ... 1408.shtml

No more Leverguns at Gunshows without Government Registration. All 3 "candidates" support "closing the gun show 'loophole'"... i.e. Private, F2F sales.

Buh - by private gun sales.

Naaah, we don't need no stinking Constitutionalist in the Whitehouse...

[JReed]

OI
Its not flogging its just reminding people of the truth

[Blackhawk]

More and more the law abiding will be stripped of there rights, to protect them from lawbreakers.

Our leaders no longer lead by example but by force.

Johnny

[handirifle]

I always tell folks here at work, we have 3 democraps runnig for office this time.

[ScottT]

Man, you gotta let go.

Ron Paul is not ever going to get the Republican nomination for President.

Ron Paul will never be elected as a Libertarian or Constituion Party candidate for President.

Ron Paul simply will never be President of the United States.

[Old Ironsights]

Man, you gotta let go.

Ron Paul is not ever going to get the Republican nomination for President.

Ron Paul will never be elected as a Libertarian or Constituion Party candidate for President.

Ron Paul simply will never be President of the United States.

And because of that, we are more likely than ever to lose out guns.

[ScottT]

There you go again....."We are gonna lose our guns!!!!"

But that ignores reality.

Look how hard Democrats back up when confronted with pro gun control speeches. They remember that the reason they lost the House in the first place was because of gun control.

We have more states than ever issuing permits to carry pistols. You think that overnight one person, no matter what office that person holds, is going to be able to take away your ability to own a gun?

This is a red herring.

[AJMD429]

Our worst enemies are often Republicans and fellow Gun Owners who timidly vote for a 'moderate' because they are afraid a Libertarian isn't 'electable.' We'll be a socialist police-state within a decade, and by many definitions, we already ARE. By the time it gets bad enough to rile enough freedom lovers up, the older generations who remember what 'freedom' really was will be gone.

These facts make me gloomy, but looking at the bigger picture of human history, it's been far worse, and it is history and religion that keep it all in perspective and keep us from just giving up. Still, accepting the Republicans as the only alternative to the Democrats is our downfall.

[Old Ironsights]

There you go again....."We are gonna lose our guns!!!!"

But that ignores reality.

Look how hard Democrats back up when confronted with pro gun control speeches. They remember that the reason they lost the House in the first place was because of gun control.

We have more states than ever issuing permits to carry pistols. You think that overnight one person, no matter what office that person holds, is going to be able to take away your ability to own a gun?

This is a red herring.

It begins by taking away your right tou buy a gun without Government Registration - i.e. "the gun show lkoophole", and ends with using CCW lists, among other things to "identify" people who may be "violating", say, some aspect of GCA '68, or a new "safe storage" law that makes "unapproved" gun storage a crime &/or cause for a charge of child endangerment (See this story) or any number of other "for your own good/for the children" kind of laws that will make it increasinly hard to own or use firearms.

Who needs a ban when you can legislate and litigate actual ownership away?

[ScottT]

And the almighty Ron Paul can save you from all your fears?

Come on, you know better than that.

[Old Ironsights]

And the almighty Ron Paul can save you from all your fears? Come on, you know better than that.

Perhaps not, but he would have been lightyears better than the current crop.

At least he believes and votes 100% Constitution

[Leverdude]

I think Scott & OI, your both right.
Much as I wish it werent so RP aint ever going to be president, nor anyone as unwilling to play ball as he is.

But I also think it would be the number one best thing that could happen to the US if he, or someone like him did get elected. Even disregarding gun control our country is going down the tubes on its current course, one that none of thes front runners will change.

Alot of people dont seem to believe it but its getting harder & harder on the average guy to keep busy & in the black.

[Dastook]

There you go again....."We are gonna lose our guns!!!!"

But that ignores reality.

Look how hard Democrats back up when confronted with pro gun control speeches. They remember that the reason they lost the House in the first place was because of gun control.

We have more states than ever issuing permits to carry pistols. You think that overnight one person, no matter what office that person holds, is going to be able to take away your ability to own a gun?

This is a red herring.

I really hope and pray you are right. Logic would dictate as well that you are corect. However, I believe that when the lierals have complete control they will abandon logic and go with the "No Gun" agenda they have wanted in there hearts all along. Just because they act the way they do in an election year does not mean they wont do an about face if in power.

[Sixgun]

I was MUCH more worried about our gunrights when Bill Klinton was in office. Not only was he doing whatever he could to screw us, it looked like the younger generation was loosing interest in guns. I really thought we would be doomed in 15 years or so.

Fast forward to now----I see a dramatic increase in gun sales and the different people buying them. Women, young adults, in general, people who previously were not interested in guns. The reason the dems are avoiding the gun control issue is because the MAJORITY of people are finally realizing that gun control will not work. If they mess with our guns, millions will be marching on Washington. It will be the "Multi-Million Man March or "The Four M's" (hey, ya like that? I just made it up )

30 years ago, only a few people were "gun people" where I work. Today, I am swamped constantly with gun questions, as I am the "gun guy". As I work in industry, most of my co-workers are Dems AND gun owners. I really think we have a bright future.

My buddy Tom, who owns Targetmaster Gunshop & Indoor Range tells me sales are way above what they were in years past. He has (I think) 16 shooting lanes and on weekends, its near impossible to get a lane. He has NRA shooting courses every two months and the classes are filled to capacity with people from all walks of life, including many women and young adults.

Let those jerks mess with our rights. We will "4-M them. -----Sixgun

[piller]

After all of this, I still don't know if I will vote for the Repubicrat or the Demolican in the election. I can't see any truly worthwhile differences.

[505stevec]

I too was more worried when Clinton gained office (both terms) and we still have our guns and the Assault ban is long gone. I do hope that we will get a positive answer from the Supremes and what the heck a Republican Congress that will tell any President to go pound sand when it comes to gun control.

[LeverBob]

I was MUCH more worried about our gunrights when Bill Klinton was in office. Not only was he doing whatever he could to screw us, it looked like the younger generation was loosing interest in guns. I really thought we would be doomed in 15 years or so.

Fast forward to now----I see a dramatic increase in gun sales and the different people buying them. Women, young adults, in general, people who previously were not interested in guns. The reason the dems are avoiding the gun control issue is because the MAJORITY of people are finally realizing that gun control will not work. If they mess with our guns, millions will be marching on Washington. It will be the "Multi-Million Man March or "The Four M's" (hey, ya like that? I just made it up )

30 years ago, only a few people were "gun people" where I work. Today, I am swamped constantly with gun questions, as I am the "gun guy". As I work in industry, most of my co-workers are Dems AND gun owners. I really think we have a bright future.

My buddy Tom, who owns Targetmaster Gunshop & Indoor Range tells me sales are way above what they were in years past. He has (I think) 16 shooting lanes and on weekends, its near impossible to get a lane. He has NRA shooting courses every two months and the classes are filled to capacity with people from all walks of life, including many women and young adults.

Let those jerks mess with our rights. We will "4-M them. -----Sixgun

I agree 100% Jack...more & more I'm meeting people from all walks of life taking up the shooting game. More & more I'm meeting Reagan Dems who tell me that they can't stand their own candidates & will vote for McCain & conservative candidates from both parties. Same with the Repubs. in my area.

I have great hope for the country & this election...I don't believe we will lose ANYTHING...we are just going to continue to make gains through the efforts of all the gun associations.

LeverBob
I'll just keep storming the gates of Heaven.

[handirifle]

I am an air traffic controller, have been for 26 years, and am retiring next year (mandatory). I'm old school and on my way out. We're training our own replacements and withing 8-10 years, they'll be the old timers. Well I gotta say, I've been more than a little suprised at the number of them that are buying firearms. n ot just any firearm either, handguns, CA legal AR's CA legal AK's, you name it.

Men and women. One woman I work with (not a newcommer) who is quite a liberal, has become interested in obtaining a CCW. She has a 50 mile commute, into some remote areas.

I took her (and the wife of course) to the local gun shops indoor range for her first time at shooting handguns, my 9mm and 38 special.

We've had a few talks about liberal policies on gun control laws and who votes for them, it takes time but we win by converting them, one by one.

[Jeeps]

With any entity of power (gubment) they consider everything in two classes,
friends and enemies, and they trust neither.

They will give money to other countries by the billions, welfare out the ying yang also.

But the power? They have it now. It was handed over sometime in the last
200 years and they are going to bogart it. It's going nowhere.

They want an absolute list of everyone who owns a firearms documented.

It's not a "christmas card list" either. Things the govt. regulates are things
they don't trust. Mostly everything.

It's not even up to any one person, it's a "mob rules" theme.

[gary rice]

There you go again....."We are gonna lose our guns!!!!"

But that ignores reality.

Look how hard Democrats back up when confronted with pro gun control speeches. They remember that the reason they lost the House in the first place was because of gun control.

We have more states than ever issuing permits to carry pistols. You think that overnight one person, no matter what office that person holds, is going to be able to take away your ability to own a gun?

This is a red herring.

maybe not just one person but maybe one person with a whole liberal congress behind him would be something to worry about?

[brucew44guns]

No matter what happens in politics, we are free to purchase firearms right now, and all the ammo we want or need. It still behooves the prudent man to stock up big on ammo, reloading supplies, and get the guns you need for whatever needs you have later. You never miss the water till the well goes dry, good saying. I am entering into reloading---FINALLY---after prices are so high for factory. But again, we are free to acquire NOW, and we should be doing that.

[tman]

just got back from gander mountian. 39.99 for 4570 and .444 marlins. they dont need to take our guns. i can't afford the ammo and the gas to get to the woods. looks like i was afraid of the wrong party.

[Old Ironsights]

just got back from gander mountian. 39.99 for 4570 and .444 marlins. they dont need to take our guns. i can't afford the ammo and the gas to get to the woods. looks like i was afraid of the wrong party.

My point.

You don't have to BAN guns to destroy gun ownership.

All you have to do is make it too inconvienient, expensive or intrusive to own them.

And on that front, McCain is as bad as the rest of them - by his own admission.