Scoping one of the earliest angle eject model 94s

macpartsguy · Post by **macpartsguy** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:26 am

I am a new member of this discussion group. I have researched for quite awhile before posting this question - I just can't find a good answer. I have a Win Model 94 made in 1982 according to the Winchester records. From what I understand the very earliest angle eject rifles had a different elevation difference between the front and rear mounting planes when compared to the current rifles. So scope mounts made for a modern angle eject do not work correctly for one of the very earliest angle eject rifles. Is this correct? If indeed it is correct were there ever any bases made for these very early angle eject specimens? Or is some sort of a custom gunsmithing project the answer? I know I could do a side mount arrangement but that isn't really what I want.

Can any of you seasoned lever gun users shed any light on this?

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:01 am

Welcome. Wonder why that would be if true. Can you post pics. I have few examples of the AEs from 1985 to 2005. Haven't heard this before.

pwl44m · Post by **pwl44m** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:14 am

Welcome, if it can be answered it will be done here. Me -No, but somebody will have the answer to Ur ? I have Win,s with scopes but they r side mounts.
Perry

macpartsguy · Post by **macpartsguy** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:18 am

I did quick Google and the responses come back like this page (go the the very bottom):

http://www.gunworks.co.nz/shop/item/wea ... ount-bases

there is often the part in parenthesis....

"Used as FRONT base on:

Winchester 94 angle eject (except earliest models)

Weaver Top Mount Base Gloss 95 #48095

Used as REAR base on:

Winchester 94 angle eject (except earliest models)

94 angle eject big bore, 94/10"

My father was the first to mention this and I have since seen references to it since but I haven't seen much "real" documentation of it....

macpartsguy · Post by **macpartsguy** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:28 am

Oh and thanks for the warm welcome gents.....I'm a long time shooter - mostly bolt action rifles......my father writes for Gun World and other publications and knows his stuff....he says bases never existed for the earliest angle eject rifles.......but you know us "kids" - gotta try it anyway....

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:43 am

I believe the difference is the screw layout. Bases definately exist, there wasnt much reason to do angle ejects if bases werent available.

I believe the earliest guns had the screws for the front base going in at an angle from the sides instead of centered over the bore line. Not sure exactly what the rear difference is, but I'm sure it's the screw layout. Check with Weaver and Warn.

macpartsguy · Post by **macpartsguy** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:02 pm

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Here's what I see....top and side....I have nothing to compare with....

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:06 pm

I may have it backwards about the hole layout, yours has the inline holes for the front base. I thought that was the later type. I'd just get a set of Weaver bases and try them (the store should let you try them, I've taken guns in to see if bases fit) Warn should also have what you want, and their techs will talk to you on the phone if need be.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:10 pm

I have seen that angular screw arrangement now that it is brought back to mind. What you have should work with the standard mounts available from with Weaver or Leupold. I have both.

Here is the Weaver on a 1989 production with screw holes like you show.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:13 pm

Here is a picture of both.

big help that was

btw - either of these rifles will do sub inch groups at 100 yds as with their best ammo as set up.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:17 pm

Yes, the Weaver or Redfield 94 and 95 will work for you. I have a set of Weavers you can have for $5 shipped.

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:29 pm

Fred, what is the exact model and vintage of the top rifle in your pic?

Tycer, are the Redfield bases aluminum or steel? I need a set of early (angled type screws) in steel that I can modify. I didnt know what the Redfields are made from. I may try Warne.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:39 pm

Mal it's a 2005 25-35 Win. It is the actual rifle that Jeff Quinn reviewed in Gunblast.com online magazine. Think they might have called it something like the Trails End Round Barrel Hunter or the like. He did a very nice review worth a read. I have found it to shoot like he documents. I also tried it with 100 gr Hornady TSX which were also very accurate but must be used single shot as they will not work through the magazine due to length. It has the long fore end and the tang safety which I like.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:41 pm

Malamute wrote:Fred, what is the exact model and vintage of the top rifle in your pic?

Tycer, are the Redfield bases aluminum or steel? I need a set of early (angled type screws) in steel that I can modify. I didnt know what the Redfields are made from. I may try Warne.

sorry Malamute, I edited the post. The ones I have are aluminum. The Redfield ones I had before were aluminum also.

macpartsguy · Post by **macpartsguy** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:52 pm

@tycer I'll give those Weaver bases a try.....if you have Paypal let me know your email address....send me a PM. I've had this rifle for a few years and want to hunt with it this fall.....I'm "OK" with iron sights but feel more confident with a scoped rifle.

Thanks all for your input....I'll let you know how this project turns out...

765x53 · Post by **765x53** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:44 pm

I recently sold a set of angle eject mounts on ebey and got this response from the buyer.

Hello, tried to install mounts on my model 94ae rifle today. They won't fit. My rifle has two screw holes in front of receiver going north and south and two holes at rear of receiver going west to east. Both mounts have north to south screw holes. The package must have been labeled wrong from the factory. Please provide me your mailing address so I can return them for a refund as per your terms in the eBay listing. Thanks!

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:45 pm

PM sent.

Marlin32 · Post by **Marlin32** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:35 pm

Had one of the first 307's that came out and it did have different mounts.
I traded it 15 years or more ago, and don't remember the lay out, but it was different.

Bruce Scott · Post by **Bruce Scott** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:26 pm

macpartsguy wrote:
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Here's what I see....top and side....I have nothing to compare with....

I had a late Model 94 - a Legacy with the belly button safety - which I scoped briefly using Leupold mounts. The screw pattern was the same as yours.

macpartsguy · Post by **macpartsguy** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:35 pm

@tycer Paypal sent......

I am very anxious to give this a whirl - I have lots of factory 30-30 ammo and want to save ammo of other calibers since it is so hard to obtain these days.....I also have loading stuff for the 30-30 so I can feed it for quite some time...thanks for all the input - I will report my results

peter richards · Post by **peter richards** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:10 pm

I had the same problem with my .356 BB AE, I tried everywhere to get the correct mounts, but ended up getting it drilled & tapped for the latter model mounts. That fixed it.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:28 pm

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Both the early Angle Eject 94's & the later ones all use the same scope mount base on the rear.

Only the front bases are different, because early AE's were D/T'd radially for 2 screws, with 1 screw on each side quarter of the front receiver ring for the front base, crosswise to the bore.

And,

Later AE's were D/T'd for 2 screws, both inline with the bore, atop the front receiver ring.

Here's the link that pictures the early type, but contains ordering info for both styles: http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgw ... nts/W94FSB

The OP's pics are of a later 94AE, that takes a front base D/T'd inline with the bore.

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hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:04 pm

peter richards wrote:I had the same problem with my .356 BB AE, I tried everywhere to get the correct mounts, but ended up getting it drilled & tapped for the latter model mounts. That fixed it.

me too on a 307 ; then about a week later, i found a set of the proper type that i had put away and hadnt been able to find for years.

hayabusa · Post by **hayabusa** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:24 am

Several years ago I gave up trying to get correct bases fot the BigBore AE Winchester, no one could get them & all the bases
local gun shops had were incorrect. I called Winchester & talked to customer service. They had them in stock individually or both. I ordered a pair & they were the correct ones. Now I am a happy camper!

hayabusa

BenT · Post by **BenT** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:26 am

hayabusa wrote:Several years ago I gave up trying to get correct bases fot the BigBore AE Winchester, no one could get them & all the bases
local gun shops had were incorrect. I called Winchester & talked to customer service. They had them in stock individually or both. I ordered a pair & they were the correct ones. Now I am a happy camper!

hayabusa

I got mine straight from Winchester/Browning also.

macpartsguy · Post by **macpartsguy** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:10 pm

@tycer the bases arrived today and work great.....playing with different scopes now...

Thanks for everyone's help on this project.....this may be my deer gun for the fall.....nice and compact and plenty of power for where I am going to be hunting....

Thanks again.

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