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Sometime in the 60's I'd say. Back in the mid and late 50's, my high school best friend and I were still buying gunpowder in red oval center-pour one -pound cans with that label pasted on. (The label predates the advent of smokeless powder.)
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jdad wrote:I thought the paper labels were completely phased out by WW2, but it wouldn't be the first time I was completely wrong.
Back in the 50's (I started handloading in 1954 - Herter's gear all the way - for the 6.5mm Arisaka carbine that a cousin brought back from the Phillipines) even DuPont's IMR powders all came in center-pour cans with paper labels. If I remember correctly, the labels were colored differently for each powder.
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No, it's 60's for sure. They made some repops of the old powder in the mid to late 60's, and the way to tell the old from the new is the old had a machine threaded cap that was black, but brass inside. New ones are red and stamped threads. That's the new one.
I've got one of both eras, and thought I got a real steal at $20 for the 2nd one. But got educated by a friend who showed me the difference. Still worth the $20, but not more than that.
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marlinman93 wrote:No, it's 60's for sure. They made some repops of the old powder in the mid to late 60's, and the way to tell the old from the new is the old had a machine threaded cap that was black, but brass inside. New ones are red and stamped threads. That's the new one.
I've got one of both eras, and thought I got a real steal at $20 for the 2nd one. But got educated by a friend who showed me the difference. Still worth the $20, but not more than that.
I went to the Albany show yesterday and found this can and an old 1/2 pound cardboard can of HiVel #2, for $10. I hadn't been to this show in over 4 years. I forgot it was $4, with an NRA card, and free parking to boot. I got there at 8:30 and was maybe 20 people back from the door, but when the doors opened, at 9, the line was the length of the parking lot. I was surprised that there was almost no junk or flea market stuff. There was really a little bit of everything, but IF I was in the market for an old Remington/Winchester bolt gun or vintage S&W revolver this was the place to get a GREAT deal.
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Marlinman, when you say red caps are new, do you have a ballpark date when they converted over from the black caps?
Reason I ask: I have nearly a case of the red caps. The interesting item is the can's address is not Moosic (which they sold to Goex in 1977) but Wilmington, DE
While on the subject ... does anyone know how to decipher the manufacturer dates for red cap lot numbers? I have done extensive searching to no avail and contacted the Librarian at the Hegley Museum - no reply
Examples:
02-37, where 02 is FFg,etc and 37 is unknown
04-53
02-101
And the easy one:
FFg can (71JU04H) ... June 04, 1971 and the H is unknown
Marlinman, when you say red caps are new, do you have a ballpark date when they converted over from the black caps?
Reason I ask: I have nearly a case of the red caps. The interesting item is the can's address is not Moosic (which they sold to Goex in 1977) but Wilmington, DE
While on the subject ... does anyone know how to decipher the manufacturer dates for red cap lot numbers? I have done extensive searching to no avail and contacted the Librarian at the Hegley Museum - no reply
Examples:
02-37, where 02 is FFg,etc and 37 is unknown
04-53
02-101
And the easy one:
FFg can (71JU04H) ... June 04, 1971 and the H is unknown
I can't give you an exact date, but the 1800's Dupont cans are machined brass caps, and either late 1800's, or early 1900's the stamped caps started appearing in most brands. Not sure when Dupont changed over to that cap. The new run in the 60's with the stamped cap as jdad posted is still collectable as it's 50 years old now, just not as collectable as the old machined cap can.