Cancer... and some information about a way to help cure it

[O.S.O.K.]

We have posts about members with cancer or loved ones who have it. According to this doc, the usual treatements lower the blood's oxygen levels... which actually encourages more cancer. Anyhoo, read this:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james14.htm

Cesium chloride comes into play as a way to cause alkalinity in the cells and increase oxygen - which actually causes cancer cells to die.... I'm not doing this justice - it's explained very well in the link.

I'm not trying to "sell" anything here - just thought this was worth sharing.

[O.S.O.K.]

Interesting... 74 views and not one comment. I guess that's good as nobody has refuted or come up with contrary information on this. I couldn't find any when I did a search...

I guess I have a particular interest in this as I've had a small bout with cancer ( a small skin carcinoma ) and my grandmother was killed by it at a pretty young age - 62.

[piller]

Unfortunately there are many ways in which cancer can start. The molecular biology of cancer is an eye opener (Bio 610 or thereabouts in most Universities). On the other hand, the fast growing cancers are the ones that you must get immediately even though they are usually susceptible to the poisons we use to kill them. I am not sure there is any single way to cure all cancers or prevent all cancers.

[earlmck]

Well dang, O.S.O.K. I'm going to have to get some of that cessium for my biking buddy. The chemo quit working for his pancreatic cancer so we are planning one more ride before he has to check out and looks like he'd have nothing to lose in trying this stuff.

If it works we'll buy you a beer!

[AJMD429]

Unfortunately there are many ways in which cancer can start. The molecular biology of cancer is an eye opener (Bio 610 or thereabouts in most Universities). On the other hand, the fast growing cancers are the ones that you must get immediately even though they are usually susceptible to the poisons we use to kill them. I am not sure there is any single way to cure all cancers or prevent all cancers.

Yep on all of that. The understanding of DNA-reading and repair, and the greater-than-realized role of RNA and mitochondrial genetics, even since I just recently finished medical school (yeah, 'recently' - in 1985 ), is amazing.

Kind of off the topic, but not entirely - there is a book called "Sex, Power, & Suicide" on the 'role of mitochondria in eukaryote development' that is fascinating for those interested in this stuff (not a book on 'cancer' really, but just a good science-writer, updating us on what's new in that field - very readable for anyone without needing to have college-level biology background or anything). The book delves into lots of basic cell biology and brought together lots of things I either never knew, or had long forgotten.

Good luck to your biking buddy, earlmck - if he's your friend, I'm sure he's a Good Guy. Hopefully he raised up some kids to carry on the Good Guy tradition; better than that - hopefully he beats the cancer. It can be done...!

[Grizz]

Thanks for the link. That scourge touches everyone somehow.

Anyone have links to sources of supply?

Thanks

Grizz

[shooter]

I ran across this site a while back while looking for something totally unrelated. I read through it, and it's an interesting read. Don't know how accurate all of the information is, but it sure makes you step back and think about the racket they call the pharmaceutical industry. IF these treatments work, and IF they don't have the side effects of conventional treatment (which I don't know if they do or don't), then why aren't they endorsed by doctors or covered by insurance? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe that people will maximize profits and turn something into a racket if there is money to be made.

http://www.cancertutor.com/index.html

edit: Just looked through this website again and it does have a section on cesium chloride.

[Blaine]

If antioxidants are good for cancer, how would oxygen be helpful?

[Streetstar]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe that people will maximize profits and turn something into a racket if there is money to be made.
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I admit i didnt read through your link just yet, but i will ---

but what you said about maximizing profits struck a chord with me --- maybe in a slightly unexpected way.

I WANT our nation's best and brightest out there in the labs working on this stuff --- i absolutely want the top 10% doing this in the private sector and making a killing.
I want the guy working on cancer drugs to drive a sweet vehicle and pull into a nice house at night --- because that is probably going to be a guy who is motivated to make even more money --- that is the type of limited mind that can focus on problem solving for 80 hours a week and go home to his McMansion exhausted, yet still get up at 5 am the next day to hit the lab!

The private sector can and will reward effort , not government subsidized wage grade and GS workers (I speak of what i know -- governement WG and GS workers are my family tree of the last 40 years , so i don't bash out of hate or conspiracy )

The AIDS "epidemic" is not an epidemic anymore because of the private sector, -- it is a treatable condition ----
I fear cancer is much more of an uphill battle than that due to the numerous different strains and different treatment methods for each strain -- it all takes a dose of specialization.

I dont want to ever see a society where people die because they can't afford good care, --- but i still want those pharmaceutical people to be the greediest ***'s on the planet because their greed fuels cures ---

[Mike D.]

Sorry, I don't buy that one. If cancer was already in my body for 6-8 yrs I'd be dust by now. We all know that certain chemotherapies reduce white and/or red cells, but the protocols do work. It's a delicate balance between effecting the blood too negatively and killing the aberrant cells. I have not had any issues with reduced blood cell counts since the new and lighter regimen began a month ago. My tumor, yes one remaining, is less than a centimeter and the doc wants it gone, as do I. I feel great and am as active as I ever was, with some necessary restrictions, of course. Enough of this, I'm going to bed.

[shooter]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe that people will maximize profits and turn something into a racket if there is money to be made.
.

I admit i didnt read through your link just yet, but i will ---

but what you said about maximizing profits struck a chord with me --- maybe in a slightly unexpected way.

I WANT our nation's best and brightest out there in the labs working on this stuff --- i absolutely want the top 10% doing this in the private sector and making a killing.
I want the guy working on cancer drugs to drive a sweet vehicle and pull into a nice house at night --- because that is probably going to be a guy who is motivated to make even more money --- that is the type of limited mind that can focus on problem solving for 80 hours a week and go home to his McMansion exhausted, yet still get up at 5 am the next day to hit the lab!

The private sector can and will reward effort , not government subsidized wage grade and GS workers (I speak of what i know -- governement WG and GS workers are my family tree of the last 40 years , so i don't bash out of hate or conspiracy )

The AIDS "epidemic" is not an epidemic anymore because of the private sector, -- it is a treatable condition ----
I fear cancer is much more of an uphill battle than that due to the numerous different strains and different treatment methods for each strain -- it all takes a dose of specialization.

I dont want to ever see a society where people die because they can't afford good care, --- but i still want those pharmaceutical people to be the greediest ***'s on the planet because their greed fuels cures ---

Streetstar, don't get me wrong, and maybe I should have worded my comment better. I have nothing against those people making money. I'm like you, if something works, by all means make all you can off of it. What I meant by maximizing profits is that if there is a better cure that is cheaper, it will often be put on the back burner, or ignored completely while less effective expensive drugs are pushed.

All I'm saying is if there is legitimate alternative cancer research being done, and it is getting as good or better results than commercial drug corporations' products, it should be made as widely available and pushed just as hard. If it is all bunk, then so be it. I just get the feeling that a lot of research and treatment procedures aren't given a fair shake because the doctors and drug companies can't make money off of them. That's what I meant by maximizing profits. If there's something out there made by Pfeizer that works like a champ, then market it and sell the heck out of it at whatever price people will pay. That's the way Capitalism works.

[O.S.O.K.]

Well dang, O.S.O.K. I'm going to have to get some of that cessium for my biking buddy. The chemo quit working for his pancreatic cancer so we are planning one more ride before he has to check out and looks like he'd have nothing to lose in trying this stuff.

If it works we'll buy you a beer!

I've seen indications that if they are in otherwise OK shape, that this can work - it won't reverse damage done, just apparently stop the cancer...

Like you say, it's worth a try along with prayers. Best wishes for success!

[O.S.O.K.]

For those wanting more information - just google or search for cesium chloride and read the links. I think you can buy this in most pharmacies - it "just" a suppliment. I am sure, like most everything, you can take too much... but with normal intake, from what I read on it, there's no deleterious side effects.

Mike D - you might just ask your doc about this? I mean, if it can't hurt, what's the harm in trying? You are already taking treatments... I'm not suggesting that anyone should neglect proven treatment - not at all.

I'm more interested with this being a possible suppliment to prevent the cancer from forming. Right now, I'm on a yearly schedule to be "inspected" by the dermotologist. My Dad has been doing that for many years now - he's had quite a few carcinomas removed.

What I read at first was an account of how three indiginous people's, all who where cancer-free were studied and it was found that they all had higher levels of cesium choloride in their systems from water and food. That seemed to be the one common denominator among the three disparate groups. Their blood was more alkalie and that's were the studies started...

Vitamin C and some others actually increase absorbtion of cesium choloride - not sure why - the "anti-oxident" comment - I don't know - I suggest you just do the search and read for yourself.

[Rafe Covington]

If I had the slightest notion they could have cured my late wifes cancer and didn't there would be a whole bunch of dead doctors and nurses.

Rafe

[roughcreek]

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/last-30-days

The last 2 hours of the Jan 31 broadcast tells of this woman doing a lot of self help curing her cancer.

[O.S.O.K.]

If I had the slightest notion they could have cured my late wifes cancer and didn't there would be a whole bunch of dead doctors and nurses.

Rafe

First of all, I would not suggest that anyone forego recommended treatments for this or any other wholistic or natural healing alternatives... just my opinion. I sure wouldn't! Nor would I allow my wife or children to.

Secondly, we all need to understand that doctors are just people. They are using the tools that they are taught work. We all have a set of "understanding" that we work with every day...

I too have a hard time believing that doctors don't know this - or would knowingly ignore this if it has been shown to work. But on the other hand, the evidence is being put forth... and they say this has been known since the early 80's.

I read at one site how they conducted a test with patients who had been declared "incurable" and in a terminal decline - almost all of which had undergone the radiation/chemo treatments... IIRC, 6 out of 10 survived after taking the cesium chloride regimin - the folks that didn't survive had just too much damage to their systems. The cesium is not a miracle drug. Basically, the ascertation is that it increases the ph in the blood stream which allows more oxygen to be carried or increases the oxygen level and creates an environment that is deadly to the cancer cells. The accepted treatments increase blood acidity/lower the ph and lower oxygen in the blood - a condition that is favorable to the cancer cells.

At some web sites, they address the reasons that this isn't widely accepted or known - they blame the pharmaceutical companies for quashing this information - basically because it would ruin their business. This too is hard to believe - that people would actually put the success of a company over the millions of lives that could be saved with a cheap and widely available mineral suppliment.

I don't know - I am just putting this information forth as I thought it is imporant to examine. Everything that I've seen thus far is positive about cesium chloride...

[Hobie]

To address doctor competency in general...

I notice that there is more and more specialization but if you start to investigate a particular disease and then ask that specialist about what you've found (and I'm NOT talking about off the wall stuff) there are a bunch who have never heard of whatever it is. The level of ignorance sometimes seems appalling. It seems to me that they should at least be able to explain why they are administering a particular course of treatment. It pays to read up on your problem. Read, ask questions and apply logic to do the best you can do.

All the best to all our friends here fighting cancer...

[Canuck Bob]

My experience with Bone Marrow Cancer relates to much of this because it is all about blood and its production. It appears I had the cancer for years in what is referred to as smouldering. It became very aggressive and I got some sick!

The severity of my cancer is now knowable by its genetic variation. It turned out I have a highly treatable version. My cancer was still stage 1 but moving to stage 2 quickly. The protocols seems to be, get the cancer reigned in as quickly as possible with chemo or surgery. Then move on to more treatment options. In my case a bone marrow transplant. This is high tech stuff that worked! I thank God for science geeks everyday.

The Canadian Healthcare System saved my life and my families future. Our company insurance company dropped me like manure because I was sick! Without universal healthcare my choices would have been death or bankrupting my family and selling our house. I now accept my tax burden with a sense of gratitude.

I also learned the biggest drug dealers wear silk suits and lobby in our capitols. A month of chemo would buy enough cocaine for a two year binge! It doesn't matter if the insurance is state or private the system increases costs and all players like that. I can remember when a tooth filling was not a huge expense. Then as dental insurance came in a crown became $1000 and an orthodontisit $5000. Personally I want some deranged clown of a politician answering for my insurance system. They act like they listen every 4 or 5 years.

If you or yours are wrestling with cancer I understand the pain. I've just said a prayer for you.

[Ji in Hawaii]

A friend's grandpa totally beat prostate cancer by drinking fresh carrot juice every morning.
The Gerson therapy sounds very promising: http://www.gerson.org/