Saddle Ring Leather Wrap

1886 · Post by **1886** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:41 am

Anyone tried wrapping a saddle ring with leather. If so, please share. Thanks, 1886.

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:18 am

I just removed mine and filled the hole with a plug screw.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:22 am

This is all I ever do, 1886

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COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:28 am

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AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:31 pm

I'd like to know how many people with "saddle ring" rifles or carbines...

...actually USE the saddle rings for hanging the rifle on saddles or elsewhere...

Are they actually used/useful, or just 'decorations' from a bygone era...?

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:49 pm

1886 wrote:Anyone tried wrapping a saddle ring with leather. If so, please share. Thanks, 1886.

OK, let me apologize up front for posting since I have nothing to contribute to this question.
No, I've never wrapped a saddle ring.
One time I bought a receiver screw with built in saddle ring for my 9422 and it had a thong on it like Pete44ru's pic shows. The ring/ screw was sealed in a plastic bag and rusted under the thong. I removed the thong and cleaned the rust off the ring.

I never have liked the leather thongs on saddle rings. To me they look like the silly fringed clothes worn by the 50s Hollywood cowboy wannabees and some of the earlier Country and Western singers. Totally sissified.

If the saddle ring bothered me, and they don't, I'd do what Malamute does, remove it and plug it.

AJMD429 wrote:I'd like to know how many people with "saddle ring" rifles or carbines...

...actually USE the saddle rings for hanging the rifle on saddles or elsewhere...
Are they actually used/useful, or just 'decorations' from a bygone era...?

I have not as of yet because I have no horse to ride. And because prior to Junior's threads about the "sling rings" .... (remember Junior?) I had never heard of the over the shoulder slings like the old horse cavalry used.
Since I'm in IL and there is no place to actually use a rifle, I haven't tried one. Perhaps when I leave here I'll give it a try.

I believe for the most part they are indeed decorations from a bygone era. But to me they look at home on a carbine or Trapper. But not on a rifle.

Joe

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:13 pm

AJMD429 wrote:I'd like to know how many people with "saddle ring" rifles or carbines...

...actually USE the saddle rings for hanging the rifle on saddles or elsewhere...
Are they actually used/useful, or just 'decorations' from a bygone era...?

This comes up now and then.

E veryone "knows" that they were used to hang the gun of the saddle horn, but nobodies come up with a period photo of it being done, nor a conteporary period account of anyone carrying them that way. I knew one guy that tried it with an old 94 carbine. He didnt notice that he had dropped it a couple miles back along the trail, but he managed to find the gun. He said he never tried it again.

I hear now and then people think it's to tie the gun in the scabbard, but I haven't figured out how that would actually work, that part of the gun is down inside the scabbard, it would be rather difficult to do (and undo), and, once again, we don't have any period accounts of it ever being done. Havent seen any old scabbards with evidence of it being done either. The only pocture I'm aware of of Winchester hanging off sadeles was in Snooky Williamsons book, and, it looks like the rifles (not carbines) were hung off the saddles with a cord looped thru the lever around the wrist, the horses also have pistol belts hanging off the saddle horns. I believe the picture was an expedient, the guys were in a town they couldn't carry guns in, (they bystanders look pretty civilized) so left them on the horses in that manner, I seriously doubt they carried them that way. It's interesting that it's the only picture of winchesters on a horse in that fashion,aand they are not carbines. They wouldn't have sling rings on them anyway. If so, they would have been two of the rarest 1886's varients known (I've never seen a ring on an 1886 rifle), and they were side by side. The picture looks like the thong was around the wrist of the stock anyway.

I think its mainly a holdover from Winchester wanting to interest the Army in its carbines, then just stayed on because of momentum, or however you want to term it. For my part, if faced with a choice of identical guns with and without rings, I'd choose the without ring gun. They look "old timey", but rattle and scratch the reciever, at least all the old ones I've seen. I've seen a fairly large number of old Winchesters with the rings removed, both cut off or unscrewed. Most had the receiver scarred up from the ring rubbing on it.

So, if you just like them, cool, that's plenty of reason to have one, but unless you want to carry them with a cavalry type sling, they don't serve much purpose, and I havent seen much evidence they ever did.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:23 pm

Malamute wrote:So, if you just like them, cool, that's plenty of reason to have one, but unless you want to carry them with a cavalry type sling, they don't serve much purpose, and I havent seen much evidence they ever did.

J Miller wrote: ...because prior to Junior's threads about the "sling rings" .... (remember Junior?) I had never heard of the over the shoulder slings like the old horse cavalry used.

I guess I missed that part - was the setup Junior showed really what the calvary riders used...?

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:36 pm

They looked like this,

http://www.rollanet.org/~stacyw/us_1885 ... _sling.htm

The older ones were very similar, I'm not sure what the difference is, other than the older ones were black.

In this Frederick Remington painting, you can see them wearing the slings, but nobody has the guns attached.

http://www.terminartors.com/files/artwo ... Plains.jpg

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:54 pm

COSteve wrote:I got bored a couple of weeks ago and happened upon a piece of leather. So I got to fiddling with in on my carbine and I like the way it turned out.

Steve - that looks great. It would make a great post (hint hint) to do a step-by-step picture tutorial of how you wraped that lever so tightly (hint hint)...

Hagler · Post by **Hagler** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:26 pm

AJMD429,

Junior's sling is this one:

http://www.castbullet.com/srsling.htm

Shawn

Chas. · Post by **Chas.** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:10 pm

Check out this website for carbine slings - First Virginia Cavalry Equipment

BenT · Post by **BenT** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:29 pm

I use Juniors sling and it's the cats meow. It's on a 16" barreled 94 Wrangler in 32 Special. Which I use for still hunitng. I've installed saddle rings on other 94's so I can use the sling. If you have a saddle ring and like to cover alot ground hunting you don't what your missing.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:30 am

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firefuzz · Post by **firefuzz** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:32 am

Hagler wrote:AJMD429,

Junior's sling is this one:

http://www.castbullet.com/srsling.htm

Shawn

LOL, this is the original single point sling. Those black rifle guys just think they thought it up.

Rob

win38-55 · Post by **win38-55** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:18 am

I was always wondering if one of those single point slings would work on my trapper.
Anyone here use one of the newer single points out there?

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:50 pm

Both my 94 and 9422 have saddle rings with leather thongs, the only problem I occasionally get is when the thong slips and gets between the lever and the lower tang.
Neither have any real use to me but they just look right on a carbine.
The one on the 9422 (which I got off Joe Miller) does serve as a take down screw, and it's easier to use than a coin.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:51 pm

I've used Junior's Sling for almost as long as I've had my Rossi. It works as advertised. Very handy.

mack · Post by **mack** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:20 pm

A 30/30 trapper with a rawhide lace loop through the saddle ring hangs on a peg next to my bed, for things that go bump in the night. The ring is not wrapped as such, but the rawhide does keep the ring from wearing a mark on the receivers side.

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:56 pm

Mine look a lot like COsteve's. Another one i've done looks like a key hole with a hole in the
millde and the tail drawn through like a slip knot.

jb

KCSO · Post by **KCSO** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:33 pm

If you spin your 92 to show off don't put thongs on the ring. They flop into the breech block as it cycles and hang up the spin, then the gun falls on the floor. Don't ask how I know.

20cows · Post by **20cows** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:41 pm

I had the end of the leather get between the lever and the stock (remember the trigger block safety on a 94?). Needless to say the coyote got away.

I removed the ring that evening.

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:13 pm

20cows wrote:I had the end of the leather get between the lever and the stock (remember the trigger block safety on a 94?). Needless to say the coyote got away.

I removed the ring that evening.

I always figured that was a really good reason (other than the high likelyhood of losing the gun) to not think of putting a loop long enough to carry the gun over a saddle horn, and likely a reason why nobody really did that that I've ever heard of, or not for long if they ever actually tried it. More of a liabilty than advantage.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:42 am

You guys with your leather 'issues' are just sissys!

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:39 am

I've been using the Junior Doughty Saddle Ring Sling since Junior first offered them several years ago, an excellent product.
http://www.castbullet.com/srsling.htm
I wonder how Junior is doing? He's a straight shooter.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:05 pm

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Now you guys have me wanting to get a "single point sling" for my saddle-ring Rossi; I never could quite get excited about ones for the AR-15 Shorty like everyone seems to think are cool, because I just don't roam the woods and fields with an AR 'at the ready'.

firefuzz wrote:LOL, this is the original single point sling. Those black rifle guys just think they thought it up.

Yep. That's just what I was thinking...

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:10 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Now you guys have me wanting to get a "single point sling" for my saddle-ring Rossi...

I never could quite get excited about ones for the AR-15 Shorty like everyone seems to think are cool, because I just don't roam the woods and fields with an AR 'at the ready'.

firefuzz wrote:LOL, this is the original single point sling. Those black rifle guys just think they thought it up.
Yep. That's just what I was thinking...

Woody · Post by **Woody** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:24 pm

FYI
In addition to the Saddle Ring attaching to the rider there was a short boot attached to the saddle that trapped the end of the barrel to keep the rifle under control while riding. The idea here is to keep the rifle with the trooper when he exits his saddle, falls off, or gets knocked off. With his rifle he is still an effective fighter but without it he is just a target. Now days the saddle ring is pretty much a decoration so leather sounds good

Woody

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