Great Looking Marlin 1894 in 357mag

[jstanfield103]

Picture will say it all. Glad I was there to get this one. In Jail and will take me a little while since gun money is low due to buy my Rossi 1895 45/70 and my Winchester 1886 45/70. Then this pops up. Can't wait to let it loin my Rossi R92 in 357mag.

[4t5]

Nice find , I don’t like to spend that much without selling something , but that would have been in the car on the way home.

[jstanfield103]

I really have nothing I want to get rid of. So it's time to take the slow process on this one. Plus keeps the wife happier.

[gamekeeper]

Very nice...

[4t5]

A little off topic , but what ever came of the MARLIN JAM I heard so much about years ago ?

[samsi]

That's a pretty one. I've been dreading running across one of the new 357's since it'll probably go home with me. I'm even more worried (for my checkbook) that they might decide to make some in 32H&R!

[samsi]

A little off topic , but what ever came of the MARLIN JAM I heard so much about years ago ?

AKA "Letting two in". That's a good question, hopefully they've solved the issue on the re-engineered new production. I've only encountered it once, on a stainless Guide Gun belonging to a friend who liked to tinker with things. I put a dab of grease on the cam surface of mine to hopefully negate the wear that reportedly causes it.

[JimT]

It's a fairly easy fix. This JM .44 Magnum had the Dreaded Marlin Jam.

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It's caused by the carrier hammering the bottom tang, letting it drop too far.

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The fix is either a new tang or heat and bend the carrier .020" or so or shim the tang so the carrier does not drop so far. I chose the latter.

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That fixed it!

I did not come up with this on my own. I called our own Nate Kiowa Jones (Steve Young of StevesGunz) and he talked me through it.

[Grizz]

It's a fairly easy fix. This JM .44 Magnum had the Dreaded Marlin Jam.
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It's caused by the carrier hammering the bottom tang, letting it drop too far.
IMG_4635.JPG

IMG_4637.JPG

The fix is either a new tang or heat and bend the carrier .020" or so or shim the tang so the carrier does not drop so far. I chose the latter.
IMG_4638.JPG

IMG_4639.JPG

IMG_4641.JPG

That fixed it!

I did not come up with this on my own. I called our own Nate Kiowa Jones (Steve Young of StevesGunz) and he talked me through it.

Good info Jim. I can tell how young I am because in all my few years it never occurred to me that a feeler gauge = a shim! Learned something new today. Thanks.

Did you solder this?

[JimT]

No. I decided to Gorilla Glue it in case it did not work. I am running it to see how long it will stay in place. If it comes loose I will solder it. But so far, so good.

[LeverGunner]

Nice, congratulations. I commented on it elsewhere, I think, Castboolits. I'm Bazoo over there.

[LeverGunner]

It's a fairly easy fix. This JM .44 Magnum had the Dreaded Marlin Jam.
1.jpg

It's caused by the carrier hammering the bottom tang, letting it drop too far.
IMG_4635.JPG

IMG_4637.JPG

The fix is either a new tang or heat and bend the carrier .020" or so or shim the tang so the carrier does not drop so far. I chose the latter.
IMG_4638.JPG

IMG_4639.JPG

IMG_4641.JPG

That fixed it!

I did not come up with this on my own. I called our own Nate Kiowa Jones (Steve Young of StevesGunz) and he talked me through it.

Thanks for sharing. I didn't know the 44 marlin had this issue. Do the 44's also have issues like the 357 versions where the snail causes wear to the carrier?

[JimT]

I really don't know. I have not messed with the Marlin .357's.

[Crazy Horse]

I have a lot of marlins but the only one that does the marlin jam is my 1894 25-20. I finally just put it up and quit shooting it.

[LeverGunner]

I really don't know. I have not messed with the Marlin .357's.

Thanks.

[JimT]

I have a lot of marlins but the only one that does the marlin jam is my 1894 25-20. I finally just put it up and quit shooting it.

The fix is usually fairly simple. If it's like the .44 I posted above it does not take any special tools to make it run.

[earlmck]

A little off topic , but what ever came of the MARLIN JAM I heard so much about years ago ?

AKA "Letting two in". That's a good question, hopefully they've solved the issue on the re-engineered new production. I've only encountered it once, on a stainless Guide Gun belonging to a friend who liked to tinker with things. I put a dab of grease on the cam surface of mine to hopefully negate the wear that reportedly causes it.

Marlin was making guns using machinery from the turn of the century (pretty well worn out stuff) and not doing a good job of final inspection in their last years. So lifters made not quite right would slide out of production ready to do the Marlin jam. The two Marlins I fixed (using Jim T's technique) were both obviously made incorrectly to begin with, not needing any wear to go bad. I'll be real surprised if any of the Ruger-made Marlins have such problems.

No. I decided to Gorilla Glue it in case it did not work. I am running it to see how long it will stay in place. If it comes loose I will solder it. But so far, so good.

Jim, I used that technique to fix a couple of Marlins. My favorite is a 30/30 I did over 30 years ago (using epoxy) and it has never failed. I think you are good to go other than I'm not experienced with Gorilla Glue. But JB weld would for sure last forever.

[JimT]

wow! Thanks for the longevity report! That is encouraging.

[LeverGunner]

A little off topic , but what ever came of the MARLIN JAM I heard so much about years ago ?

AKA "Letting two in". That's a good question, hopefully they've solved the issue on the re-engineered new production. I've only encountered it once, on a stainless Guide Gun belonging to a friend who liked to tinker with things. I put a dab of grease on the cam surface of mine to hopefully negate the wear that reportedly causes it.

Marlin was making guns using machinery from the turn of the century (pretty well worn out stuff) and not doing a good job of final inspection in their last years. So lifters made not quite right would slide out of production ready to do the Marlin jam. The two Marlins I fixed (using Jim T's technique) were both obviously made incorrectly to begin with, not needing any wear to go bad. I'll be real surprised if any of the Ruger-made Marlins have such problems.

No. I decided to Gorilla Glue it in case it did not work. I am running it to see how long it will stay in place. If it comes loose I will solder it. But so far, so good.

Jim, I used that technique to fix a couple of Marlins. My favorite is a 30/30 I did over 30 years ago (using epoxy) and it has never failed. I think you are good to go other than I'm not experienced with Gorilla Glue. But JB weld would for sure last forever.

Yes, thank you for sharing.

[jstanfield103]

Okay guy's,
Picked her up yesterday (Saturday 8/31) I have everything done to her that I want except the LOP. I have a Marlin plastic butt plate coming in for her, when I receive it I will cut her down to 12.5" LOP as I do with all my rifles since I am only 5'5" tall/short. Looks like the butt plate will be in Tuesday, so next weekend probably. I usually buy a Safety Delete saddle ring but don't think I will make that change on this one. But maybe in the future.

[TraderVic]

What are your plans for sights ? Stay with irons of one sort or another.....or optics ?

[jstanfield103]

I will just stay with the factory irons on this rifle. I have so many with the Marbles Bullseye sight that I believe that I will leave the factory on this one to change things up.

Cut the LOP today trying to use the factory butt pad. It works pretty well, needs just a tad more work but definitely not to bad. I have a Marlin butt plate coming in tomorrow, but may just leave her the way she is.

[jstanfield103]

Okay guy's,
Don't have pictures of it yet but did get the butt pad (Factory) fit the way it should. Just took some thinking on what or how I wanted to handle it. It fits perfect now without any gap hider. Really happy with it now and will just leave it on the rifle. Pictures to come soon. Probably tomorrow after work.

[jstanfield103]

Here is the butt Pad after corrected fitting. Happy with it now, in fact extremely happy with the fit now.

[Streetstar]

I will just stay with the factory irons on this rifle. I have so many with the Marbles Bullseye sight that I believe that I will leave the factory on this one to change things up.

Cut the LOP today trying to use the factory butt pad. It works pretty well, needs just a tad more work but definitely not to bad. I have a Marlin butt plate coming in tomorrow, but may just leave her the way she is.

That one didnt stay in "jail" long !

looks good ! - love the tiger stripe figure on the buttstock -

I have a shotgun project i still need to cut the LOP down on -- you're posts are giving me inspiration to get with the program

[jstanfield103]

Thank you streetstar,
I usually cut mine down before I even shoot my rifles after purchase. It is still always nerve racking but never as bad as the first 3 or 4 that you do.

[4t5]

J, how did you cut the stock , If you don’t mind me asking ?

[jstanfield103]

4t5

I have a really old cross cut hand saw rig that I use. Fine teeth, almost dull teeth now. I really need a new saw for it or get the old one sharpened some how. I tape the stock up really well with painters tape, measure and mark the LOP I need to cut (You have to cut a little shorter than LOP to include the butt plate or pad in total LOP) take the butt stock off and just cut. Then even it up or take the ruff edges of on a sanding belt to make it look good. The start fitting the butt plate or pad. Watch a few YouTube videos on fitting the butt plate.

[jstanfield103]

Some better pictures of her with the saddle ring safety delete installed.

[yooper2]

4t5

I have a really old cross cut hand saw rig that I use. Fine teeth, almost dull teeth now. I really need a new saw for it or get the old one sharpened some how.

Sharpening handsaws is quite straightforward with a saw file. If the kerf is closing up you may need to set the teeth but a saw set can be had on ebay for not much money. I'm sure there are plenty of youtube videos showing how it's done. My grandfather taught me when I was in grade school so it's really not challenging.

Eric

[jstanfield103]

I may have to give it a shot, I like to try and do things myself. Thanks for the info and the motivation.