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Bill in Oregon
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It was just a few weeks back that Jim started a thread on Federal's relatively new .30 Super Carry, which is being marketed as almost as potent as the 9mm, but with less recoil and more magazine capacity in the same platform. I had scratched my head when this was first announced a couple of years ago as it seemed kinda silly, typically gaining just two or three more rounds in the typical magazine while giving up punch. Most of us had a pretty good laugh about it and I had mostly forgotten about it when I ran into this thread over at castboolits. What's that? The Smith EZ feeds a full-meplat flat-point 117 and gives 1150? That's .32-20 rifle performance out of a smallish semiauto. Now this to me as a full-fledged gun crank is interesting.
Then a Grabagun ad popped up in my email yesterday noting they have the Smith .30 Super Carry Shield Plus and EZ on a really good sale -- $299. Bait taken, hook firmly set! :lol: Y'all are welcome to laugh and laugh ... :lol:
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I won't laugh but I will say my .32-20 rifle loads gave right at 2000 fps with 125 gr. Spitzer and 1800 fps with 140 gr. LBT cast bullet. The 100 gr. Speer JHP ran over 2100 fps.

Now 1100+ fps from the little handgun is pretty durn hot and nothing to be sneezed at as long as it is reliable and accurate. With my prejudices I would not carry one for self-defense but that's me. :D
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Jim, I was looking at the load data for .32-20 rifle in the Lyman 51st. Should have figured that it was greatly conservative as they are loading only to 16,000.
This will be a fun experiment, I think. I have never owned any of the Smith EZ semiautos, but the EZ-rack system was a huge blessing for many of our female and senior shooters when I worked at the range in La Luz. So I get to play with this design as well as the new cartridge which is designed to run at 50,000 and requires small rifle primers. To use the cliche it is like the old .30 Pedersen/7.65 French Longue on illegal bodybuilding substances. 8)
By the way, I traded the little LCP Max toward a Smith CSX. With its 1911-esque fire controls, it makes me feel like I am home and I am shooting it better than any other 9 I have owned.
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Looking at his article on the .32-20 for revolvers in Pet Loads, Ken Waters shows 6 grains of SR4756 giving 1154 with a 115-grain cast bullet from a Smith Model 1905 with 6-inch barrel. 8)
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BE sure and stock up on brass/ammo. I saw some ammo yesterday for it, on the clearance rack.
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No one laughing here....I have a 7.65x21mm s&w ez.

The ez will feed and fire .32 acp and frenchy longues but will not self-cycle them.

I briefly owned a 7.65x21mm s&w shield + 17 shooter. It would not feed or fire the shorter cartridges like the ez did/does. I was showing the shield + to my son and it went home with him and has not been seen by me since.....

As for brass, I have not found any but starline has recently filled a backorder of the frenchy longues. These won't last long.....

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/pr ... ctId/81065
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Well that's worth a test drive at $299. My last powder order was more than that ... and it really wasn't all that much powder.

That thread on Castboolits was interesting. That bullet looks like a soup can. Interesting that it feeds well in his Shield.
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Rimfire, this is the Accurate mold I am thinking about. Still plenty of meplat, but ought to feed even better than the square-edged soupcan.

https://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_de ... et=31-115H

Ray, I enjoyed the French Model 1935 A that I had years ago, but in those days the 7.65 Longue ammo from Buffalo Arms, based on lathe-altered .32 S&W Long brass IIRC, was not particularly affordable.
Academy has both Federal and Speer FMJ in stock for $25 a box. I shall avail meinzelf shortly.
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Wilhelm, two different sks bullets.....one flat-nosed..... loaded in .32 acp cases to .30 s.c. o.a.l.
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Ray, that's a very interesting approach.
I put three magazines through the EZ this morning and found it extremely pleasant to shoot -- definitely less recoil than a 9 and a nice snap when the bullet struck the target. Lost five cases of the 30 rounds fired. I hope someone provides brass before long.
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Bill, accuracy and enough power and penetration are nothing to laugh at. Glad you like it!
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Thanks Brian. I hope to put more rounds through it soon, and have ordered a mold from Accurate.
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Bill, do you know if that big fat nose of that Accurate mold will feed reliability? If it will, that should put the smack on your target.
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Ted, Accurate 31-115H is on the way. I expect it to feed if Tom's 31 -117E feeds. I don't recall having owned any other auto pistol where the bullet at the top of the magazine is in such nearly perfect alignment with the bore. And yes, I do expect "efficient energy transfer." 8)

https://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_de ... et=31-115H

https://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_de ... et=31-117E
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