1886 chrome 18.5 inch barrel, versus henry all learther side load gate 18 inch

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1886 chrome 18.5 inch barrel, versus henry all learther side load gate 18 inch

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I am thinking of buying either a new Henry all weather 45-70 18 inch barrel, or one of the new chrome 18.5 inch 1886 CHIAPPA KODIAK RILES. 1) WHICH IS STRONGER, 2) WHICH WOULD BE THE BETTER GUN
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The 1886 is about 500 dollars more
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I'm a fan of Henry as well as the Winchester 1886. So no bias here.

Talking about modern rifles, the 1886 is hands-down the stronger action.

Henry rifles are a virtual carbon copy of Marlin 336 and what they call today their 1895. Good strong action, but the '86 is even more so. Plus the '86 action can cycle longer rounds than the Henry/Marlin action. It's capable of 45-90/50-110 length cartridges. Which means if you ever felt the need, you could have the chamber of the '86 reamed to 45-90 spec. Can't do that with a Marlin or Henry.

Long live the king, 1886
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Re: 1886 chrome 18.5 inch barrel, versus henry all learther side load gate 18 inch

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How strong does the action need to be? I’ve used some pretty stout loads in a Marlin .45-70. More recoil than I am comfortable with.

Even the standard Remington .45-70 405 gr soft point factory loads are pretty potent on game.
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I love my browning 1886 but one thing to consider with an 86 vs the Henry is that you can put a scope on the Henry if you want to down the road.
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The 1886 is called the kodiak 18.5 inch barrel with skinner sights. Any one familiar with those sights? it is also considered all weather, as it is brushed chrome
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I almost got an 1886 reproduction, but I had a little bit more money and decided to splurge on a Big Horn Armory 1889 in 500 S&W just for the fact that I could get a carbine style levergun about the same weight and heft as a Marlin Guide Gun (and shorter than my ‘little’ Marlin 1894), with a shorter cartridge so the magazine would hold more and a true half inch diameter projectile. The action is basically like an 1886 only slightly shorter for probably a little bit quicker lever throw. it isn’t an authentic reproduction of anything, but it’s a really nice gun. The finish is very tough, being nitrided steel, kind of like a Glock, but comes across as a very subdued matte blackish ‘blued’ finish, even though the metal underneath is actually stainless steel..

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AJMD429 wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:13 pm .
I almost got an 1886 reproduction, but I had a little bit more money and decided to splurge on a Big Horn Armory 1889 in 500 S&W just for the fact that I could get a carbine style levergun about the same weight and heft as a Marlin Guide Gun (and shorter than my ‘little’ Marlin 1894), with a shorter cartridge so the magazine would hold more and a true half inch diameter projectile. The action is basically like an 1886 only slightly shorter for probably a little bit quicker lever throw. it isn’t an authentic reproduction of anything, but it’s a really nice gun. The finish is very tough, being nitrided steel, kind of like a Glock, but comes across as a very subdued matte blackish ‘blued’ finish, even though the metal underneath is actually stainless steel..
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Wow

i realized when i saw your reply that ive been lurking on this forum long enough that i remember when you ordered that rig ! - and the first range report - and i had a case of the "wants"

I had a Guide Gun at the time and was not nearly as recoil sensitive as i am now, so worked up a couple of max loads and thought smugly--- hmmmm - guess i dont need that Big Horn much after all :lol: :lol:

That said , i further appreciate that rifle (carbine) as just being a beautiful expression of firearms making that will still do work -- kind of like a Bowen tuned revolver , or a Freedom Arms 454 Casual

I'd have to download the .500 now to even be usable for me and i recall a lot of discussion back then about hoping they would chamber one in .460 - but i dont know if that ever happened. But great gun , - next time you get it to the range, take some pics and post up for us Walter Mitty types !

As to the question at hand , --- The Chiappa's , especially the takedown ones - are seriously cool in theory. I love the looks for a modern rifle with a traditional silhouette. But google the issues people have had with getting them to run right - there are a lot of folks who attest that a Chiappa is not an "out of the box, then take it into bear country" rifle and i am not an amateur gunsmith (or even a professional one :lol: )

Id lean towards the Henry or cruise GunBroker for for an 1895 SBL if i wanted one that i was almost guaranteed to not have to mess with
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Just looked up the Henry's --- sheesh , now i want one too - IF (maybe still a big if) - i could get one close to MSRP . I'll take the case hardened version myself please !

Someone mentioned looking around for a used Browning 1886 though - if you dont have to have new , that would be a very very good choice too
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I just scored on a Henry all weather 45-70 for almost half price of all the ones on gun broker. Is brand new and looks awesome
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oldebear1950 wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:05 pm I just scored on a Henry all weather 45-70 for almost half price of all the ones on gun broker. Is brand new and looks awesome

Pics or it didn’t happen 😂😂
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is being sent to my dealer, as we chat, and will pick it up later in the week. Will post pics when I get it from the dealer. We are lucky here, there is a dealer here in town only charges 10 bucks to do the paperwork.
My brother in Oklahoma City, says there, the dealers charge 50 bucks or more, just to do the paperwork.
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I don't mind being charged, but dealers should not get rich just doing the paperwork
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this is a pic from Henry
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but i will take pics as soon as I have it in hand
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the reason I picked the Henry all weather 45-70 with 18 inch barrel, was because of the customer care. I messed up and let a golden boy 22 get rusted up on the barrel and lever, kept it stored in a nylon rifle zip up case, after cleaning and it rusted to the point of being unusable. ( got rid of that case)
I sent it to Henry and had to pay for a new barrel and lever, but they also changed the sights, both the inner and outer mag tube, some of the wood, and test fired. The sights, the mag tube work, and the wood was done at no extra cost to me,
I figure if they got to all that work at no extra charge, least I could do was get another Henry.
Problem with the 1886s they are all built overseas, either Japan, with the Winchester or Browning, and Italy with the others. Way things are going now, would take an extremely long time for any warranty work.
Henry is at least made here and warranty work is done here.
I would still eventually like to get one of the 1886s though
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Picked up my Henry all weather, loading gate, 18 inch barrel, 45 70 , brushed chrome, carbine yesteday and it is great. Will be about two weeks before I can take it out and shoot it. About the only thing I would like, is for Henry to put the half cock, or safety notch in the hammer. I grew up with Winchester and Marlin lever guns, and they all had that. I also have a Rossi, stainless, 38/357 mag, lever gun and it has the safety notch. or half cock. I never had any of those go off by accident, nor any other gun as far as that goes, and am 72 years young.
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The best safety device, is what is between your ears!!!
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I took that Henry 45-70 all weather 18.5 inch barrel with the loading gate and shot some loads I had loaded back in 1983 when I was last stationed in Kodiak, Alaska, used em for bear.
Was loaded for an older Marlin, but worked just fine in my Henry. In fact had a 3 shot string that were touching.
I did not know if they would still be good at that age. I was pleasantly surprised, and I must have done something right when I loaded them.
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