Messin' With The Mosin
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Messin' With The Mosin
More than a year ago I started messing around with an old Mosin Nagant that had been given to me years ago. It had all the wood and a bayonet and was typical of those rifles with the barrel half shot out from corrosive priming etc. It did not look as good as this one:
So a few weeks ago I start thinking about the Mosin and wondering how I could mount a peep sight on it. And I got this crazy idea. Why not ask God? He knows EVERYTHING ... so I said out loud, "Papa, how would you mount a peep sight on the Mosin?" And immediately the though popped into my head, "Mount it on the cocking bolt handle."
Now I am not saying I heard God's voice. I am saying that I asked and immediately the thought came into my mind. Some of you may say that was just my mental processes giving me the answer. All I know is that I did not get the answer until I asked.
ANYWAY .... my next thought was "Would that work?" So I dug out the rifle and took it to the shop and measured everything and by golly it looked like it would work!
So I went to work. Making a rear sight to mount on the bolt cocking handle. Modifying the bolt so the sight can sit on it .. Then I clamped it together and drilled holes and mounted it .. The sight radius is now 23 3/4" ... that gave me more than a 10" increase.
I have not had a chance to fire more than about 10 shots and only at 25 yards, but I got the sight durn close with my old hand caliper.
I will take the tools with me to adjust the windage and elevation next time I take it out.
I am sure there are those here who could make it look a lot better ... and I may try to fine a nicer bolt to mount the sight .. but so far it works.
Oh ... the front sight is adjustable for windage and the rear for elevation.
I hacked off the bayonet, removed all the wood I could, and fiddled around trying to get it to shoot more than 2 or 3 shots near the same location. Eventually I cut the barrel back to 18" and made sure it wasn't touching the stock any place. The big problem I had was the original rear sight. The distance from the front bead to the rear notch was 13" ....way too close together for decent shooting with my old eyes.
Rear sight -- I lowered it as much as I could but it just would not work.
So I gave up messing with it and put it away. Every now and again I would think about it but I could not come up with a way to mount a decent rear sight where the sight radius was long enough for good accuracy easily. I really wanted to install an aperture sight but how do you get around that durn straight bolt handle? The gun is not good enough to spend money on and besides, this was a cheap project I was determined to do with whatever I could find in my shop.So a few weeks ago I start thinking about the Mosin and wondering how I could mount a peep sight on it. And I got this crazy idea. Why not ask God? He knows EVERYTHING ... so I said out loud, "Papa, how would you mount a peep sight on the Mosin?" And immediately the though popped into my head, "Mount it on the cocking bolt handle."
Now I am not saying I heard God's voice. I am saying that I asked and immediately the thought came into my mind. Some of you may say that was just my mental processes giving me the answer. All I know is that I did not get the answer until I asked.
ANYWAY .... my next thought was "Would that work?" So I dug out the rifle and took it to the shop and measured everything and by golly it looked like it would work!
So I went to work. Making a rear sight to mount on the bolt cocking handle. Modifying the bolt so the sight can sit on it .. Then I clamped it together and drilled holes and mounted it .. The sight radius is now 23 3/4" ... that gave me more than a 10" increase.
I have not had a chance to fire more than about 10 shots and only at 25 yards, but I got the sight durn close with my old hand caliper.
I will take the tools with me to adjust the windage and elevation next time I take it out.
I am sure there are those here who could make it look a lot better ... and I may try to fine a nicer bolt to mount the sight .. but so far it works.
Oh ... the front sight is adjustable for windage and the rear for elevation.
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Re: Messin' With The Mosin
Nicely done!
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Re: Messin' With The Mosin
Well, that's just cool.
Mosins are considered by most, as crude rifles by our standards and it's true that they are no substitute for an '03 they can be quite accurate.
This one has been fitted with a Timney trigger and Boyd's stock and capable of an inch (or less) at 100 yds with it's Tikka Barrel. My Finn 39 with it's SAKO barrel will do that as well, even with open sights.
This one has a Ruger No.1, .45-70 barrel and is just plain fun.
I've been shooting and collecting rifles in 7.62x54r for a couple of decades. The Nagants and Enfields have been long time favorites and with a 174 -200 grain bullet are great shooters. My favorite tough, will always be my 1895 Russian Contract Winchester.
jb
Mosins are considered by most, as crude rifles by our standards and it's true that they are no substitute for an '03 they can be quite accurate.
This one has been fitted with a Timney trigger and Boyd's stock and capable of an inch (or less) at 100 yds with it's Tikka Barrel. My Finn 39 with it's SAKO barrel will do that as well, even with open sights.
This one has a Ruger No.1, .45-70 barrel and is just plain fun.
I've been shooting and collecting rifles in 7.62x54r for a couple of decades. The Nagants and Enfields have been long time favorites and with a 174 -200 grain bullet are great shooters. My favorite tough, will always be my 1895 Russian Contract Winchester.
jb
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Re: Messin' With The Mosin
They may have been crude by our standards but the Russians used them well in WWII! And they did the job. I have seen some .. especially the Finn rifles, that are very accurate. That's nice shootin' there Jason.
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Thank you. I really don't take credit for the idea .....
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I was wondering when "the Master" would slip in another homily with such subtlety that it almost goes without notice!
Re: Messin' With The Mosin
Howdy Folks,
I've messed with the front post on a couple of Mosin front sights to get a 100 yd zero...
I put a short piece of insulation from #14 solid copper wire on the front post..
It's a little fat, but leaving it about .060 or so higher than the original is
a quick, cheap way to get a better POI ..........
Plus, you don't have to modify the original rifle ...........
Paul
I've messed with the front post on a couple of Mosin front sights to get a 100 yd zero...
I put a short piece of insulation from #14 solid copper wire on the front post..
It's a little fat, but leaving it about .060 or so higher than the original is
a quick, cheap way to get a better POI ..........
Plus, you don't have to modify the original rifle ...........
Paul
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fortress of a rebel soul"
fortress of a rebel soul"
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Re: Messin' With The Mosin
Well there's an interesting idea.
I'll have to try that on my M38.
jb
I'll have to try that on my M38.
jb
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Re: Messin' With The Mosin
I had a m44 made in Hungry. It was 100% original and shot close to MOA at 100 yards 300 yards with iron sights was no problem. It was as a SOLID battle rifle if there ever was one. Pawnshop buy for $70 itd and sold it for $350.
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I found no evidence that POI was affected by the bayonet position.
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Re: Messin' With The Mosin
I sold six of the seven I had and turned that profits into Winchesters . Couldn't resist at these crazy prices of today.
FYI beater grade M44's are selling for $600-$700 today and like new ones well over 1K.
I kept an original PU SNIPER inspected at Tula (Tulsky) that's late war nearly perfect .Mint bore
If the prices reach $2500-$3k it will probably find anouther home.
The last great cash at the LGS back before Russia invaded Crimea .They had crates upon crates ,I spent 2-3 days a week for six months digging through them trying to cherry pick.
At $99 each I should have bought all of them.
I remember back early 90's they were $25 for untouched war ravenged rifles. M44's new in wrapper $69
I bet an M44 new in wrap today on gunbroker would fetch $5k plus.
FYI beater grade M44's are selling for $600-$700 today and like new ones well over 1K.
I kept an original PU SNIPER inspected at Tula (Tulsky) that's late war nearly perfect .Mint bore
If the prices reach $2500-$3k it will probably find anouther home.
The last great cash at the LGS back before Russia invaded Crimea .They had crates upon crates ,I spent 2-3 days a week for six months digging through them trying to cherry pick.
At $99 each I should have bought all of them.
I remember back early 90's they were $25 for untouched war ravenged rifles. M44's new in wrapper $69
I bet an M44 new in wrap today on gunbroker would fetch $5k plus.
Re: Messin' With The Mosin
I don't think the position of the bayonet affected accuracy. What I read was removing the bayonet affected accuracy. I am not sure if that is true or not for I never tried it.horsesoldier03 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:35 pm I found no evidence that POI was affected by the bayonet position.
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Re: Messin' With The Mosin
I have a bad habit of selling guns before they reach maximum value! LOLPat C wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:46 pm I sold six of the seven I had and turned that profits into Winchesters . Couldn't resist at these crazy prices of today.
FYI beater grade M44's are selling for $600-$700 today and like new ones well over 1K.
I kept an original PU SNIPER inspected at Tula (Tulsky) that's late war nearly perfect .Mint bore
If the prices reach $2500-$3k it will probably find anouther home.
The last great cash at the LGS back before Russia invaded Crimea .They had crates upon crates ,I spent 2-3 days a week for six months digging through them trying to cherry pick.
At $99 each I should have bought all of them.
I remember back early 90's they were $25 for untouched war ravenged rifles. M44's new in wrapper $69
I bet an M44 new in wrap today on gunbroker would fetch $5k plus.
“Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.”
Re: Messin' With The Mosin
Here's another approach by the late Junior Doughty:
Article: http://www.castbullet.com/makeit/rr.htm
Article: http://www.castbullet.com/makeit/rr.htm
Re: Messin' With The Mosin
That's a great idea and fairly simple to do also!TANGO 4C wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:58 pm Here's another approach by the late Junior Doughty:
Article: http://www.castbullet.com/makeit/rr.htm
I love seeing what creative people can do.