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Thinking about how useful this little gun is, I thought I would do a test. CCI shot load on a prickly pear apple.
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Then a pear leaf at about 10 feet.
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Then emptying the revolver at the same distance.
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Thanks, Scott! I find the WRM resolvers more and more intriguing. What size shot in those shot shells? That's a pretty decent coverage at the distance, considering rifled barrel, etc.
Ray, interesting account. So the shot charge at contact distance did the job, eh? I'm guessing it was a head shot, from your account. Kind of like a 12 bore game load at the same distance - more lethal than many would believe.
Ray, interesting account. So the shot charge at contact distance did the job, eh? I'm guessing it was a head shot, from your account. Kind of like a 12 bore game load at the same distance - more lethal than many would believe.
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Likely size 12 shot. I would not shoot anything bigger than a rat with it. But it punches through a pear leaf and kills snakes very well.
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Funny, but cats can stop a dog with serious pain right on its nose. That snakeshot from the little revolver probably hurt more than anything. With dogs, wounds which will be fatal later are more likely to cause a charge right now. Painful wounds that are not serious are more likely to cause the dog to run away fast. At least, that is my experience.
I remember Buck Elliott once commenting about using .22 Mag shot on rattlesnakes. He said that it worked well.
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I think the NAA in 22 WMR is a pretty decent 'stopper' for its size. I'd rather have a caliber starting with a '4' or '5', but the NAA's are well-made, durable, and I've shot hundreds of rounds without a malfunction from my 22 WMR 'Pug' so at least know it will put out a projectile when needed.
I think the NAA in 22 WMR is a pretty decent 'stopper' for its size. I'd rather have a caliber starting with a '4' or '5', but the NAA's are well-made, durable, and I've shot hundreds of rounds without a malfunction from my 22 WMR 'Pug' so at least know it will put out a projectile when needed.
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Ray wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:59 pmI don't take any credit for slaying the beast. I just gave it a dose of factory snake/rat shot to its muzzle at a few inches range and it left in a hurry. If the cylinder had been indexed to the three solid bullets available, it could have gotten ugly for me. Big mean dogs are difficult to stop dead at very close range even with head shots due to the brain being not exactly where it would seem to be and the tendency of bullets to glance.
Back in the "one shot stop index" fad era, this product was surprisingly respectfully represented in the results !
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Shucks, small, skinny dogs are hard to stop with a 22 if the central nervous system isn't affected. Had a bad time putting down a severely crippled stray years ago with a borrowed 22 sixgun. Dogs can be quite tenacious of life, reference Paco's accounts on thinning the feral packs back in the day.
Back to the rat shot - around 150 - 160 #12 shot per cartridge gives a fairly decent shot count. Scott's pattern on the cactus leaf above shows it can be quite effective at that range. I've purchased some of the CCI 22 LR shot shells, but never have fired one. I'm curious as to what happens to the plastic shot capsule in the process. Does it disintegrate? The old crimped tip shells always made more sense to me than the CCI system - but I've never fired a CCI rimfire shot shell. It just seems like the plastic would produce a blown pattern due to the shot having to move out around it as it gets further from the muzzle and the relatively light capsule stays behind. Now I'm going to have to see if I can find slow motion video of a CCI shot charge leaving the muzzle.
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AJMD429 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:03 pm .
I think the NAA in 22 WMR is a pretty decent 'stopper' for its size. I'd rather have a caliber starting with a '4' or '5', but the NAA's are well-made, durable, and I've shot hundreds of rounds without a malfunction from my 22 WMR 'Pug' so at least know it will put out a projectile when needed.
I've been reading about the NAA resolvers for years, have even handled a few here and there, but never have actually fired one. A lot of folks "pooh pooh" the very idea of them, but I figure they're a step up from the old H&R Young American that I used to carry, and could hit with at reasonable distances. The only down side to them in my opinion is that you can get a better for the purpose firearm for the same money.
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Well, it's not out of a snubby but it does have some slow motion, unfortunately it only shows the targets and not the muzzle of the rifle as the shot emerges. I'm really curious as to what happens to the plastic shot capsule as my early experiments with reloading shot shells showed seriously blown patterns when using anything that the shot had to fly around. The shots in the video and Scott's prickly pear pattern don't show any signs of a blown pattern, which leaves me VERY curious as to what happens to the shot capsule! Anyway, here's a video of a skeptic learning that the 22 WMR DOES have some punch to it.
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CCI and Federal 22 LR shot shells out of a Ruger Wrangler.
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I think that plastic shatters and turns to dust. I have never recovered any of that plastic from a CCI .22 or .22 WMR. The WMR is noticeably more effective on snakes though. I have personal experience from dozens of such encounters.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:36 am I think that plastic shatters and turns to dust. I have never recovered any of that plastic from a CCI .22 or .22 WMR. The WMR is noticeably more effective on snakes though. I have personal experience from dozens of such encounters.
I'm coming to that conclusion, too (re: plastic disintegration) from watching several videos of shots on fruit, cans, Shoot-N-See targets, etc.
I remember the pics you posted years ago of the snakes under an old grain bin. IIRC you were using a Bearcat with rat shot on that occasion.
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I carried a Hi Standard .22 Magnum derringer as a backup to my normal carry gun for many years. But lost it to my wife who wanted something to keep under her pillow that was small enough to not feel it while she slept. I miss it, and used to love having it in one of my pockets all the time, even when my carry gun was put away. Never replaced it as they've become a collectible, and prices are getting kinda stupid.
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They gave 52grs of #12 shot loaded to 1000fps according to the package.Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:37 pm Likely size 12 shot. I would not shoot anything bigger than a rat with it. But it punches through a pear leaf and kills snakes very well.
People here shoot alot of chipminks and red squirrels with it.
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Wow...evidently those plastic capsules do WAY better than the old style when the brass was just crimped over the shot....Eight of those in my S&W 317 AirLite would do nicely. Not the 3" Kit Gun, I have one of the first with the <2" bbl....AmBraCol wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:06 am CCI and Federal 22 LR shot shells out of a Ruger Wrangler.
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I played around with shot shells out of a .22 LR quite a bit. I have killed lots of carpenter bees with a Ruger single six with 22 long rifle birdshot. For me, I seemed to get more kills using the Winchester crimped load, as opposed the the plastic shot shell loads. However, I did not shoot that many of the plastic shot shell loads, because they were a lot more expensive.
I never tried the .22 mag loads. It crossed my mind to bore a .22 revolver out to smooth bore for shooting shot loads, but I never did. However, I got the bright idea to have a gunsmith bore out a .22 long rifle barrel on a Thompson Contender rifle barrel smooth, except leave a few inches of rifling in the breach end, but the rest is smooth. My thinking was that it would help to decrease the wagon wheel effect of the rifling. I didn't use it much, but I am not sure it, helped any on patterns.
I do know it definitely diminished the .22 ball accuracy, some. In the end, my idea was not much of a success. I think now, I might, just for the heck of it, have the chamber bored to .22 mag. Don't see where I would have much to loose.
I gave up on it, at the time, and moved up to a .410 shotgun for the carpenter bees. I made my own loads using .444 marlin cases, and a light load of Unique Powder, which will fit in a .410. At first I used #12 shot and that worked pretty good, but I changed over to loading mustard seed, because with it, I didn't have to watch my background, and could shoot one anywhere, without worrying about damage to the house or cars, etc. from the lead shot. This worked pretty darned good, effective on carpenter bees up to about 5 yards or maybe some farther. I haven't tried it yet, but I think my next experiment will be with playground sand in the .444 cases.
I never tried the .22 mag loads. It crossed my mind to bore a .22 revolver out to smooth bore for shooting shot loads, but I never did. However, I got the bright idea to have a gunsmith bore out a .22 long rifle barrel on a Thompson Contender rifle barrel smooth, except leave a few inches of rifling in the breach end, but the rest is smooth. My thinking was that it would help to decrease the wagon wheel effect of the rifling. I didn't use it much, but I am not sure it, helped any on patterns.
I do know it definitely diminished the .22 ball accuracy, some. In the end, my idea was not much of a success. I think now, I might, just for the heck of it, have the chamber bored to .22 mag. Don't see where I would have much to loose.
I gave up on it, at the time, and moved up to a .410 shotgun for the carpenter bees. I made my own loads using .444 marlin cases, and a light load of Unique Powder, which will fit in a .410. At first I used #12 shot and that worked pretty good, but I changed over to loading mustard seed, because with it, I didn't have to watch my background, and could shoot one anywhere, without worrying about damage to the house or cars, etc. from the lead shot. This worked pretty darned good, effective on carpenter bees up to about 5 yards or maybe some farther. I haven't tried it yet, but I think my next experiment will be with playground sand in the .444 cases.
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One thing I might worry about. Sand is hard enough to potentially scratch the barrel.
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Yep, I have heard that before, but with my old (and cheap) .410 shotguns, it doesn't matter to me even if it did.
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I don't know why one would shoot a bee, but I would think that a Red Rider BB gun would be the proper tool for that.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:14 am I don't know why one would shoot a bee, but I would think that a Red Rider BB gun would be the proper tool for that.
If you had ever had an infestation of Carpenter bees, you would understand. I have Western Cedar posts and beam framework on my porches and Carpenter Bees are about the only thing that will attack it. They bore holes and tunnel into the beams and build nests. And the males will protect the nests, by dive bombing you. It can be very annoying, not to mention the structural damage they can do. I have bee traps out, which catch quite a few, but until I got control of the situation, I just wanted to kill them anyway, that I could.
You can shoot them with a BB gun if they will hold for you, and you are good enough, but they get harder to kill, when you start killing them. They learn, pretty quick, that you are after them.
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I only have experience with honey bees and bumble bees. But I am not familiar with a carpenter bee.
When I drove from Texas to Alaska in 1999, I noted all manner and sizes of bees in the screen over my radiator in that old Jeep. I was amazed at the variety of bees. Thanks for the clarification.
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Not familiar with Carpenter Bees. There are lots of regional insects.
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I didn't know what they were called for a long time, and finally someone told me at work, when it came up. And then later, I researched them, to figure out how to deal with them. They maybe beneficial, but I would rather they benefit someone else.
Anyway, didn't mean to hijack this thread, back to snubby's
I like them, and own several, including one of those .22 mag Smiths. I like mine because it's really light to carry.
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I have shot a .22 Mag NAA Mini. Loud doesn't quite describe it. I sure don't want to get shot by one.
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I see Ruger offers their LCR in 22 mag. Don't know anything about this odd revolver.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:03 amI tried one. It shot to the sights and was reliable. But it is a little bigger than a J frame and not as easy to carry in my pockets.
And they are as ugly as most of the modern flat guns to boot. The ugly wouldn't matter as much if they were a handier size.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:20 am Another perspective.
https://youtu.be/lP41nm6o2LI
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Thanks, Scott! Didn't know Richard Mann has a 'tube channel. Those Gold Dots show some great expansion. Going to have to keep my eyes open for some next time up north. Don't recall ever running across them in my travels.
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Interesting indeed. Never really thought much about a 22 mag for defensive purposes until this thread. I shoot 22 mag occasionally in my Single Six.Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:20 am Another perspective.
https://youtu.be/lP41nm6o2LI
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Don't believe I've ever seen Speer Gold Dot 22 mag, but will certainly recommend them to others.
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TraderVic wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:25 pmScott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:20 am Another perspective.
https://youtu.be/lP41nm6o2LI
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Interesting indeed. Never really thought much about a 22 mag for defensive purposes until this thread. I shoot 22 mag occasionally in my Single Six.
Don't believe I've ever seen Speer Gold Dot 22 mag, but will certainly recommend them to others.
I usually shoot them in my Ruger OMSS, but have also messed around with Paco's old Savage "pifle" a bit. Haven't done more in the Savage for lack of a decent scope. The old 1X it currently wears just doesn't cut the mustard for me. But both of those are very different critters from the subject of this thread. There are a lot of people who for one reason or another can't/won't shoot a caliber that starts with a "4" and even find calibers that start with a "3" problematic. Some would say "Well they shouldn't even CARRY a gun then!", but that ignores the fact that some of these folks are our most vulnerable and the ones who most benefit from the presence of an equalizer. Getting them set up with a decent carry revolver in 22 magnum and helping them to acquire the ability to place their shots accurately may very well save their life at some point in time. Also, 22 Mag is expensive compared to 22 LR - but even now in the middle of the current scarcity usually sells for much less than any centerfire pistol/revolver cartridge, thus allowing them to shoot more. Yes, we can usually reload certain calibers for less than factory 22 Mag, but most folks described above aren't in the reloading fraternity - and components are scarce and expensive too. I appreciate Scott taking the time to start this thread, it's been quite educational.
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