WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here ... politely.

Moderators: AmBraCol, Hobie

Forum rules
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.

Please post political post in the new Politics forum.
Post Reply
User avatar
Poohgyrr
Levergunner 3.0
Posts: 565
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:05 pm
Location: South Carolina

WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by Poohgyrr »

I’m sure I remember posts, or maybe an article, about the Win94 being issued to protect our forestry woods during WW2. These posts would be from a few years ago, I believe from when Paco was still active here...

But I haven’t been able to find it... Does anyone else remember this or can you point me in the right direction? I’ll keep searching, but any help would be appreciated.
John
Family, blue steel & wood, hot biscuits, and fresh coffee.
Luke 22:36 Romans 12:17-21 Ephesians 4:26-32
"Life brings sorrow and joy alike. It is what a man does with them - not what they do to him - that is the true test of his mettle." T. Roosevelt
Bruce Scott
Senior Levergunner
Posts: 1082
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:36 pm
Location: Western Australia

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by Bruce Scott »

Canada issued Model 94s to it's Pacific Coast Militia Rangers.

From: https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... ine-30-wcf

"Manufactured circa 1943. This carbine was one of approximately 3,000 Model 94s issued to the Canadian Department of Defense to be used by the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers (PCMR) stationed on Canada's west coast. All of the approximately 3,000 Model 94 carbines were in the 1,300,000 serial number range. The PCMR was considered by many observers as Canada's finest militia. This carbine is equipped with the standard PCMR canvas sling which is marked with the Canadian PCMR broad arrow stamp (broad arrow inside of a "C"). The sling is attached with an added barrel band and sling swivel on the forearm and a sling swivel on the stock. The lower left of the receiver and the left side of the stock are also marked with the broad arrow. The left rear of the barrel is marked with the standard address, trademark, model and caliber marking with the Winchester oval proof on top of the barrel and receiver at the breech. The upper tang is marked with the three-line maker/trademark/Made in U.S.A. marking, and the serial number is on the underside of the receiver. Standard hooded ramped blade front sight and adjustable rear buckhorn sight. Blue finish and mounted with a smooth walnut forearm and straight grip stock with a serrated steel buttplate"

More here on the PCMR: https://wapenkamer.nl/wp-content/upload ... angers.pdf
Image
User avatar
AJMD429
Posting leader...
Posts: 31933
Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:03 am
Location: Hoosierland
Contact:

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by AJMD429 »

From the website above here is a photo....why do you think they had the second barrel band...???
download.png
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws
"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.


Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
User avatar
Sixgun
Posting leader...
Posts: 18565
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:17 pm
Location: S.E. Pa. Where The Finest Winchesters & Colts Reside

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by Sixgun »

AJMD429 wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:47 pm From the website above here is a photo....why do you think they had the second barrel band...???
For the sling Doc.....it could be what a do-it-your-selfer did or maybe what the militia did. There's several ways of putting on a sling on a carbine but it's probably what they decided on.-----006
Model A Uzi’s
Image
User avatar
AJMD429
Posting leader...
Posts: 31933
Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:03 am
Location: Hoosierland
Contact:

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by AJMD429 »

On a side-note they use the term “militia” differently...

“... Pacific Coast Militia Rangers ...”
Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws
"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.


Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
Bruce Scott
Senior Levergunner
Posts: 1082
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:36 pm
Location: Western Australia

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by Bruce Scott »

Sixgun wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:27 pm
AJMD429 wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:47 pm From the website above here is a photo....why do you think they had the second barrel band...???
For the sling Doc.....it could be what a do-it-your-selfer did or maybe what the militia did. There's several ways of putting on a sling on a carbine but it's probably what they decided on.-----006
A simple expedient to attach an SMLE sling using what I think is the SMLE forward swivel.

Image

It's suggested at the link below that members of the PCMR may have had to pay for the attachment.
http://www.nambuworld.com/pcmr.htm

Good article here: file:///Users/lisa/Downloads/628-Article%20Text-2717-1-10-20100430.pdf
Image
User avatar
Scott Tschirhart
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 3838
Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
Location: San Antonio, Texas

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by Scott Tschirhart »

The cartridge would certainly do the job and the rifle was handy and reliable.
piller
Posting leader...
Posts: 15188
Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:49 pm
Location: South of Dallas

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by piller »

In heavy timber, the .30-30 is certainly effective. On anything.
D. Brian Casady
Quid Llatine Dictum Sit, Altum Viditur.
Advanced is being able to do the basics while your leg is on fire---Bill Jeans
Don't ever take a fence down until you know why it was put up---Robert Frost
User avatar
Poohgyrr
Levergunner 3.0
Posts: 565
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:05 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by Poohgyrr »

The Canadian information is neat, I’m not sure if I had read that before.

Does anyone remember our military (or whoever) issuing M94’s to protect our forests in WW2? Or WW1 if I’m confused about which war?
John
Family, blue steel & wood, hot biscuits, and fresh coffee.
Luke 22:36 Romans 12:17-21 Ephesians 4:26-32
"Life brings sorrow and joy alike. It is what a man does with them - not what they do to him - that is the true test of his mettle." T. Roosevelt
fatboy
Levergunner 1.0
Posts: 72
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:46 pm

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by fatboy »

As I remember, during WW1 a unit was formed here in the Pacific North West to guard shipments of spruce wood needed for the fledging aircraft industry. That unit was armed with Model 94's since Springfield's and Enfield's had to go to Europe. Here on the Olympic Peninsula we have a trail named 'The Spruce Rail Road Trail' and some remnants remain as the Olympic Discovery Trail.
I'll see if I can dig up the data on the unit but it's been 50+ years!
Bob
fatboy
Levergunner 1.0
Posts: 72
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:46 pm

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by fatboy »

The United States government purchased 1,800 commercial Model 1894s with 50,000 .30-30 cartridges during World War I. These rifles in the 835800 to 852500 serial number range were marked atop the receiver ring with a flaming bomb and "U.S." The rifles were intended for United States Army Signal Corps personnel stationed in the Pacific Northwest to prevent interruption of spruce timber harvesting for aircraft production. The rifles were sold as military surplus after the war.

From an article published in the American Rifleman by a gent named Canfield: Canfield, Bruce N. 19th Century Military Winchesters March 2001 American Rifleman p.77

It was about this same time that Winchester made a run of '94's for the French Army, fwiw.

Bob
piller
Posting leader...
Posts: 15188
Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:49 pm
Location: South of Dallas

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by piller »

Very cool!
D. Brian Casady
Quid Llatine Dictum Sit, Altum Viditur.
Advanced is being able to do the basics while your leg is on fire---Bill Jeans
Don't ever take a fence down until you know why it was put up---Robert Frost
User avatar
Poohgyrr
Levergunner 3.0
Posts: 565
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:05 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by Poohgyrr »

Thanks Bob.

On another forum, old family history has come up with at least one Win 94 at WW2 Pearl Harbor...
Last edited by Poohgyrr on Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
John
Family, blue steel & wood, hot biscuits, and fresh coffee.
Luke 22:36 Romans 12:17-21 Ephesians 4:26-32
"Life brings sorrow and joy alike. It is what a man does with them - not what they do to him - that is the true test of his mettle." T. Roosevelt
fatboy
Levergunner 1.0
Posts: 72
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:46 pm

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by fatboy »

I failed to address the original question, I am not aware of a unit in the PNW armed with Model 94's during WW2; my original data on the WW1 use came when I was OIC of the Ft. Lewis Military Museum not from the 1977 A.R. article.
Bob
Scrumbag
Levergunner 2.0
Posts: 249
Joined: Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:00 pm

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by Scrumbag »

Have a look at C&Rsenal on you tube.

They have a series on winchester lever actions in WW1 including 1894 and some 1892s used by the Royal Navy
Scrumbag
Levergunner 2.0
Posts: 249
Joined: Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:00 pm

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by Scrumbag »

User avatar
gamekeeper
Spambot Zapper
Posts: 17325
Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:32 pm
Location: Over the pond unfortunately.

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by gamekeeper »

Scrumbag wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:11 pm https://youtu.be/l9kPggzvYtg
Great video, thanks for posting.. 8)
If more men loved and cherished their wives as much as I love bacon the world would be a much better place.
User avatar
Poohgyrr
Levergunner 3.0
Posts: 565
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:05 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by Poohgyrr »

Bob,
I and (I’m sure) others, truly enjoy and appreciate the information you, and others, have shared here. Please, don’t worry at all about the WW2 part of this. And thank you for your service.

It’s all Levers, and pieces of our history.
John
Family, blue steel & wood, hot biscuits, and fresh coffee.
Luke 22:36 Romans 12:17-21 Ephesians 4:26-32
"Life brings sorrow and joy alike. It is what a man does with them - not what they do to him - that is the true test of his mettle." T. Roosevelt
Scrumbag
Levergunner 2.0
Posts: 249
Joined: Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:00 pm

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by Scrumbag »

gamekeeper wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:36 pm
Scrumbag wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:11 pm https://youtu.be/l9kPggzvYtg
Great video, thanks for posting.. 8)
Pleasure.
fatboy
Levergunner 1.0
Posts: 72
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:46 pm

Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

Post by fatboy »

Thank You John, it was a good way to 'decompress' coming back from SE Asia and let us not forget that Winchester also supplied Model 95's to Czarist Russia. I wish I had bought one back when they hit the surplus market!
Bob
Post Reply