Got a Big Kid's Red Ryder today... pre-64 Win94 - New Pics

[Stump Buster]

My first ever "Christmas" gun purchase... and I think I did pretty good! Overall, the pics make it look like it's been well cared for. I was convinced enough to bid even with not being able to see it and check it out in person. Anyone see anything I missed that indicates I messed up or the rifle has been refinished? I know the sling attachments probably aren't factory, but could this have left as a flat band during this time period and at one point the flatband was replaced when the sling stud was installed on the rear band? I looked at a LOT of pre-64's and this one seems to be in better shape than most I found at near half the asking price of most listed. I have a couple of newer pre-safety AE's, but wanted a shooter/user from the most desired era in the 94's history.

Whattya think...Good bad or ugly, I can take it.


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =458990732


Either way, I think "Black Bart" could be in trouble after this get's here. Hopefully I won't shoot my eye out.


Merry Christmas,

Stump

[Dave]

That gun looks pretty good

[TedH]

I wouldn't have passed that rifle up for that price.

[arjunky]

Nice!
Byron

[Pete44ru]

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It looks nice to me.

FWIW, the 1st documented Model 94, produced after WWII, was in the SN 1350000 range - which should put the DOM of your M-94 in late 1945 to early/mid 1946.


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[Les Staley]

Stump, when you get it check to see if the tang is factory drilled for a Lyman/Marble sight. I have two flatbands from that era, and one has a drilled tang, the other one has no extra holes anywhere..just curious..Nice looking carbine!

[daisygordoninc]

Nice Rifle, I thought about bidding on that myself. Those are worth so much these days, you
got it for a real decent price, some go much higher as you know. Every hunter should have at
least one or two of them. My problem is I like them so much I just keep buying them, they are
too beautiful to pass up.

[Chuck 100 yd]

Nice one! You did GOOD !!

[Griff]

Yep, ya done good! Those are the type of guns that I have to remind myself that I'm working on another plan now...

[Stump Buster]

Thanks Guys!

I just got off the phone with Brandon from Williams Gunshop and he told me the carbine is in really good shape with just a little grease that needs to be cleaned up before use. I asked him if it was D&T'd for a tang sight and he said it wasn't. He told me he'd try and get me a picture of the muzzle, buttplate and a closer shot of the front swivel stud. I'm feeling better and better about the purchase.

The guys at the gun shop are pretty busy since it's right after the holidays, but they said it still might get shipped out today!!!

THANKS for ALL the info and keep it coming if you see something else worth mentioning.

I'll post more pictures when I get them and after it arrives.


All the Best,

Stump

[tman]

[GonnePhishin]

You done real good

[Stump Buster]

I received 3 extra pictures from the seller today before he shipped it out.





A little bit of rust on the checkered buttplate (easy enough to clean up), but the wood looks better in these than what the photos in the sale ad show, so I'm getting pretty excited.

After some research, I had assumed Winchester was using the serrated buttplate in 1946, so I was pleasantly surprised to see the checkered one screwed on it (I like the looks and feel of that buttplate better). Was there a specific year Winchester changed buttplates or did they just use what they had in available after the war?

Thanks Again for the help and the replies!


Stump

[Stump Buster]

Found a reply on another forum by Mr. Hartman that answered the buttplate question. Looks like the buttplate is correct too!!!

"Winchester used the standard Carbine style butt plate through the end of the year 1936 (circa serial number 1127000), then switched to the serrated style (formerly used on the Model 55) at that time. There was a 5-month period from January 1937 to May 1937 when both types were used. The serrated style butt plate was used exclusively from May 1937 through December 1945 (circa serial number 1350000), then was replaced by the flat checkered steel butt plate over a period of about 5-months. The first serial number I have recorded in my survey with a flat checkered steel butt plate is 1350149, and the last serrated steel butt plate is 1366633. Between those two serial numbers is a random mix of the two types of butt plates. Your gun could be correct with either type. The flat checkered steel butt plate was introduced in late 1945 (at circa serial number 1350000), and was used through the collectable era that ended at the end of 1963. For those who are interested, I have a very detailed survey of Model 94s covering the 1924 - 1963 timeframe, including the Polishing Room Serialization Record Book information for that time period."

Stump

[Shasta]

That's a nice Winchester at a reasonable price. The sling is a bonus in my opinion!

SHASTA

[ollogger]

A guy always enjoys a nice 94 thanks for the show!!





ollogger

[Ysabel Kid]

I wouldn't have passed that rifle up for that price.

Me neither!

[Rusty]

Looks like you made a great buy! Congratulations.

[Les Staley]

Stump, looks like that old Winchester is plumb wore out.....better just forward it to me (don't open it or anything). I'll PM you my shipping address.. Thanks.

[1894c]

Just saying what has been said before--that is a really nice pre-64 Win.94 at a very good price...CONGRATS... :)

[Stump Buster]

I'm having computer issues, but I just wanted to log in and say "Thank You" for all the replies and information.

Have a Safe and Fun New Year.

We'll be on the range in Lakeport at 8am tomorrow if anyone wants to join in on the annual New Years Day "Shoot Whatcha Brung" Club Shoot. (I'll be shooting my Marlin 336 Cowboy 30-30)

All are welcome!

More info can be found at = KRGC.org



All the Best,

Stump

[Stump Buster]

Well I finally got around to taking some pictures of the Winchester today. The only thing I added since it was released from CA gun jail was a lever wrap from Ricochet Roy (I know... not traditional, but I think it matches the non-traditional sling that came already installed with the carbine pretty good. It also makes it easily recognizable as mine when other 94's are on the rack at the range. )

It shoots pretty good but definitely prefers 170gr Core-Lokt's over 150gr Core-Lokt's.

Here are the pics...







Thanks again for all the info and the help!

Mike

[AJMD429]

Pics from the auction - it's a BEAUTIFUL '94...!

[plowboy 45]

That's a good lookin carbine
Your right about the lever rap it matches very well

[Ben_Rumson]

Blue Steel & Walnut .... Very Nice!

[JOHNNY WACKO]

sure is nice....

[Pete44ru]

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I would suggest that you convert those sling swivels to detachable units, via cutting away the loops themselves, tapping out any retaining cross-pin inside the resulting hole, & then running a drill bit through the hole that's the same size as the pin on QD sling loops.

With the conversion, the sling won't get in the way when shooting at a range, or snag on brush while hunting (I carry my sloins in a haversack or coat pocket until needed).


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[Canuck Bob]

Very nice, I see the sling as a plus. Sadly not a 32 Special but some folks seem to like the 30-30 too!!!

[Dan 444]

Beautiful rifle!

Dan

[Stump Buster]

Thanks Guys. It is in very good shape and there's just enough "History" in the finish and wood that I won't hesitate to take it out and continue to use it.

All the Best,

Stump