Your Marlin just got a little bit more special.

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Your Marlin just got a little bit more special.

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Not that I'm a huge fan of Truth About Guns for a variety of reasons, but occasionally some nuggets emerge from the flotsam... For example, lever gun news. More specifically,the fall of Marlin and some of the details about how such a venerable brand name was gutted. Personally, this was my favorite part--
Compounding the difficulties, Remington discovered dimensioned drawings of Marlin’s iconic rifles did not exist. The plans at North Haven had simply been passed down through the generations. Many of these workers hadn’t made the move to Ilion, so much of that inherent knowledge had been lost...
My eyeballs all but rolled out of my skull upon reading this. Effectively, Remington axed the very workforce with the skills absolutely vital to the success of the brand. It's kind of karmatic justice and further contributed to the horrible product quality remlins are now infamous for. Further, your JM marlin just got a little bit more special. There were no designs on file or computerized schmatics churning out clones of one another. Your marlin is essentially an artesian product whose skill and know-how were passed through the generations. Perhaps that's overstating it a bit, but not by very much.

Even if Remington gets their marlin production under control as the story promises, there will never be another Marlin like that again.
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Given modern, digital CMMs (Coordinate Measuring Machines), reverse engineering of Marlin's relatively simple mechanics should have been a breeze.. look at other manufacturers who have cloned Marlins in recent years..

Aldo Uberti and the boys were reverse engineering Colts, Remingtons and Winchesters more than 50 years ago, and built a hugely successful enterprise on their relatively rude efforts..
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Buck Elliott wrote:Given modern, digital CMMs (Coordinate Measuring Machines), reverse engineering of Marlin's relatively simple mechanics should have been a breeze.. look at other manufacturers who have cloned Marlins in recent years.
That's in the article as well ;)
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If Remlin isn't going to step up to the plate, it would be nice if someone DID clone them. It seems like they should cost LESS to make vs. the Winchester 92 clones, with their few-large-parts design, and so many parts shared between calibers. I wonder if Rossi/Taurus has considered it.
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Maybe I should not have given that .44 Mag away, it was a pre-crossbolt safety model.
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"Many of these workers hadn’t made the move to Ilion".. :shock: ...The way I understood it from some of the Former employee's over at Marlin Owners, None of them were offered or Hired to go to Remlin. then to compound everything else they ship pieces of junk that should have never left the factory to begin with....
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When was that article dated? FWIW, Remington didn't axe Marlin's employees, Marlin did that when the owners sold out! Remington offered 'em jobs. People don't accept them for a variety of reasons.

As for dimensional drawings, Winchester (USRA or FN), there were none for those rifles either. Miroku had to reverse engineer all the models they've reproduced.

Frankly, IMO, Marlin is the "badguy" here, props to Remington for trying to salvage something regarding the leverguns.
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Griff wrote:When was that article dated? FWIW, Remington didn't axe Marlin's employees, Marlin did that when the owners sold out! Marlin is the "badguy" here, props to Remington for trying to salvage something regarding the leverguns.
I don't think it's as clear cut as you think it is.

And wait... Marlin is the bad guy? Nobody twisted Remington's arm to move everything out of state, costing those people their jobs. How is the original owner at fault here? He can't decide it's time to get out of the business now? I mean, he found a buyer, what more do you want? I'll even throw you a bone and say that maybe he could have negotiated a severance package out of Remington for everybody who couldn't just pack up and move, but even that's a stretch.

Now you're reminding me of my previous job with the airlines. "We're moving our operation out of state, but you can move to our HQ in Chicago and absorb the higher cost of living at the same pay. Aren't we generous?"

Gee, thanks for that.
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I'm a Marlin fan but... the old days of Marlin were not necessarily all perfection: that's why you'll find detailed directions for fixing "Marlin jam #1 and Marlin jam #2". I don't think Marlin ever test fired the products of their individualized production to make sure they fed and fired -- at least from 1950 onward. I'm saying that because one of the "Marlin jam #1" problems I fixed was on a 1950 model 336A which should not have left the factory. The other "fix" was the identical problem on a 1986 model 336RC: shouldn't have left the factory. And my model 1895 built in about 2002 couldn't even begin to chamber a round because of a totally misshaped extractor that wouldn't get past the rim when chambering. Also shouldn't have left the factory.

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Mescalero wrote:Maybe I should not have given that .44 Mag away, it was a pre-crossbolt safety model.
I sold one not long ago for $450 -- some would say that was giving it away too :oops: :oops: -- I never really did take a shine to it though
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earlmck wrote:If Remington gets their act together I am ready to buy...
And don't get me wrong-- No manufacturer is without sin.
Besides, I would be right in line with you if they were to start producing pistol calibers again.

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I still have a stainless, laminate stocks, 1895 .45-70.
Think I will keeep it.
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