Win 94 iron sights?

[1894cfan]

I have two Win 94's, both with the same height front sight, .365". The second one I got, a 1941 model, has what looks like all original iron sights but the rear barrel mounted sight is at the top of the sight ramp when sighted in at 100yds with 150gr PP factory ammo. Do I need to get a new rear sight, or would I be better off getting a Marbles Tang sight? TIA

BTW, the first one I got is a 1977 model that I pulled the rear sight off and installed a Williams FP receiver sight.

[Griff]

Pics would be better... I don't have a '40s vintage mdl 94 and don't know when they started the current rear sight, but... if your's has two small screws on the front of the rear sight face, you can loosen them, slide the sight face up and lower the sight on the ramp.

[1894cfan]

The 1941 94 has one screw on the back side (toward the shooter) on the right side of the blade. I tried taking the screw out and moving what looks like a sheet metal blade, but it wouldn't move and I was afraid of pounding it off and damaging it.

[J Miller]

The 1941 94 has one screw on the back side (toward the shooter) on the right side of the blade. I tried taking the screw out and moving what looks like a sheet metal blade, but it wouldn't move and I was afraid of pounding it off and damaging it.

Your rear sight is most likely original.

What kind of sight hold are you using? Just curious as I've had quite a few 94s and with the factory sights "most" of the rear sights are on the second step up from the bottom when sighted in at 100 yds. That's using a 6:00 hold and setting the bullet impact just over the top of the front sight.

Some of the 94s I've had have been equipped with really short front sights. Yours could have been swapped out for a taller one too.

Joe

[Griff]

The 1941 94 has one screw on the back side (toward the shooter) on the right side of the blade. I tried taking the screw out and moving what looks like a sheet metal blade, but it wouldn't move and I was afraid of pounding it off and damaging it.

It SHOULD move. But I hate forcin' anything. If the front sight IS original, it still might have had the elevator replaced. IIRC, Winchester used 3 different elevators on their rear sights... and they had different steps and heights.

[1894cfan]

The 1941 94 has one screw on the back side (toward the shooter) on the right side of the blade. I tried taking the screw out and moving what looks like a sheet metal blade, but it wouldn't move and I was afraid of pounding it off and damaging it.

Your rear sight is most likely original.

What kind of sight hold are you using? Just curious as I've had quite a few 94s and with the factory sights "most" of the rear sights are on the second step up from the bottom when sighted in at 100 yds. That's using a 6:00 hold and setting the bullet impact just over the top of the front sight.

Some of the 94s I've had have been equipped with really short front sights. Yours could have been swapped out for a taller one too.

Joe

Thanks for jumping in, Joe.
As I mentioned, both the '77 and '41 94s have the same front sight height. The '77 was in a plane crash and had quite a bit of fire damage, but not enought to ruin it. Besides the wood, I would imagine the front sight was changed during the re-build. When I first took the '77 out to the range after I got it, I didn't have to re-sight it in at 100yds and the rear sight was set about the middle of the ramp.
I called Brownells tech support about the '41 94 and he mentioned that the original front sight was about .310/.312 height, so purchased a Marbles .312 front sight. I haven't done anything about the sights yet because both the front and rear sights are so tight in the dovetails that I can't budge either of them. You're likely right about the swaped out front sight, but if it has been swaped it was likely right after it was purchased in 1941/42 as it looks to have the same amount of wear as the rest of the carbine. The last time I took the '41 out to the range I shot at a #10 coffee can with a dead on hold and hit it about dead center. It WILL nail a deer if shot at 100yds. Got any other suggestions? TIA
P.S. I think the next time I take it out to the range I'll play around with a 6 o'clock hold and see where that gets me.

[J Miller]

Yeah, about the only other suggestion I have is to drop the cash (about $60.00) on one of the Williams front sight pusher tools as sold by Midway, Brownells and others. I've bought more rifles with buggered up ramp front sights than I can count. The tool will prevent that.

Griff could well be right about the rear sight elevator as well.

IMG_0652.JPG

This rear sight / elevator is on my 1950 vintage. If your rear sight looks like this one, then the elevator should too.

Post 64 RS-elevator.JPG

This is a post-64 Rear sight / elevator. If the elevator on your rifle looks like this then it's definitely been replaced.

Most likely it would be easier to adjust the elevation with a new front sight.

Joe

[1894cfan]

Yeah, about the only other suggestion I have is to drop the cash (about $60.00) on one of the Williams front sight pusher tools as sold by Midway, Brownells and others. I've bought more rifles with buggered up ramp front sights than I can count. The tool will prevent that.

Griff could well be right about the rear sight elevator as well.

IMG_0652.JPG

This rear sight / elevator is on my 1950 vintage. If your rear sight looks like this one, then the elevator should too.

Post 64 RS-elevator.JPG

This is a post-64 Rear sight / elevator. If the elevator on your rifle looks like this then it's definitely been replaced.

Most likely it would be easier to adjust the elevation with a new front sight.

Joe

The sight is the same on the first pic but the ramp is different. The post '64 rear sight is what was on my '77 94.
When I first got the '41 94 the front sight blade was bent over to the left a bit, I was able to straighten it out so windage is dead on. Any suggestions on where I might find the other rear sight ramps that Winchester issued with this rifle?

[J Miller]

Nope, I sure don't. I have an extra 1950s (?) rear sight that needs an elevator. I posted a WTB add here last year and had a person try to sell me a replica elevator for something around $50.00. I wasn't borne yesterday. Some idiots with more money than brains might spend that but not me. I'll find one eventually.

That's why I suggested a different front sight.

Joe

[1894cfan]

Thanks, Joe. I guess I'll try a new front sight blade somewhere between .312 and .365, probably .343, and the Williams front sight pusher.

[pwl44m]

Not to steal 1894s thread but Joe, what elevator R U looking for. One like in the Pic or a dual stamped ladder.I have an almost complete Marbles rear sight for a Win.
For what it's worth there is an old Gun Shop that I visit frequently. He has a display case with a lot of new old stock stuff. I bought a mossberg Rec. sight for a 144 for $15 He had a little plastic box with a about 8 compartments with Shotgun beads and another box with rifle sights. I have already bought a couple Sheard sights from Him. If these would be of interest to some of U I will go back and deal on the whole shebang.

[1894cfan]

Not to steal 1894s thread but Joe, what elevator R U looking for. One like in the Pic or a dual stamped ladder.I have an almost complete Marbles rear sight for a Win.
For what it's worth there is an old Gun Shop that I visit frequently. He has a display case with a lot of new old stock stuff. I bought a mossberg Rec. sight for a 144 for $15 He had a little plastic box with a about 8 compartments with Shotgun beads and another box with rifle sights. I have already bought a couple Sheard sights from Him. If these would be of interest to some of U I will go back and deal on the whole shebang.

pwl44m, The front sight that is on my 1941 Win 94 is a .365" Sheard Marbles front sight blade. Can you see if he has a .343" or thereabouts front sight blade for me? PM me with any info you can find. TIA

[J Miller]

Not to steal 1894s thread but Joe, what elevator R U looking for. One like in the Pic or a dual stamped ladder.I have an almost complete Marbles rear sight for a Win.
For what it's worth there is an old Gun Shop that I visit frequently. He has a display case with a lot of new old stock stuff. I bought a mossberg Rec. sight for a 144 for $15 He had a little plastic box with a about 8 compartments with Shotgun beads and another box with rifle sights. I have already bought a couple Sheard sights from Him. If these would be of interest to some of U I will go back and deal on the whole shebang.

Perry,

I need the elevator like the one in the top picture. I have an extra rear sight I got somewhere, some years ago, but it has no elevator.

Joe

[pwl44m]

I will check to see what He has. Does anyone know what heighth a Marbles 50 is. I have one with the brass bead missing. I am enclosing a Pic to show a sampling of what I have bought from the old Guy.