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.22 sub caliber inserts for the Sharps: http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,3399.htm An inexpensive way to practice with you competition guns. This liner is offset so it does not use a shell holder adapter as in the other but instead uses your rifle's center fire firing pin to directly strike the cartridge on its edge. Extraction is then quickly accomplished by the use of a small screwdriver. Available only for the 40-65 Win., 40-90 SBN, 45-70, 45-90, 45-100, 45-110, 45-120 calibers ONLY.
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,1477.htm Now you can shoot inexpensive 22 Long Rifle cartridges in your .40 or .45 caliber single shot rifles. Practice with your competition rifle and hone your shooting skills. A great way to join the ranks of .22 silhouette shooting. This unit uses an ingenious shell holder adapter that holds the cartridge into the chamber of the liner. The shell holder then is struck by your rifles firing pin. Available only for the 40-65 Win., 40-90 SBN, 45-70, 45-90, 45-100, 45-110, 45-120 calibers ONLY.
I'm thinking something like this might be cool for the Quigley. It would help if they would give the insert length and twist rate...
Has anyone ever tried one? Does one adapter system seem to have an advantage over the other?
Thanks!
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These aren't just for a Sharps. They will work with just about any singleshot rifle, and will actually give excellent accuracy if properly made!
I'm not familiar with the one sold at Buffalo Arms, but I have shot a Ballard that was fitted with the one made by Dave Crossno at Crossno's Guns. Dave's version is unique in the fact that it extracts the empty case. Some others need to have the case pushed out with a cleaing rod, as they wont operate with the ejector of the original caliber.
I've seen some fellas using these adapters in singleshot matches and schuetzen smallbore matches, and they're accurate enough to be very competitive!-Vall
I have one for my Stevens 44 1/2 in 45-70 and have shot quite a few BPRC 22 silhouette matches. The sport is the brainchild of Dave Crossno. I'm not sure what came first the barrel sleeve or the sport. These shoot very well and can compete out to 200 meters with scaled down silhouette targets and 22 LR ammo. Dave's shop is around the corner from the OKC gun club and we have shot several matches together so there is no bias here
The sleeves insert into barrels chambered for cartridges based on the 45 basic brass. Any smaller and he runs out of room to get the rim under the firing pin.
I'm not familiar with the one sold at Buffalo Arms, but I have shot a Ballard that was fitted with the one made by Dave Crossno at Crossno's Guns. Dave's version is unique in the fact that it extracts the empty case. Some others need to have the case pushed out with a cleaing rod, as they wont operate with the ejector of the original caliber.
I'm not sure what that Ballard was equipped with but it probably wasn't a Crossno conversion. Dave's come with a small pocket screwdriver that you use to flip out the empties.
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Don McDowell wrote:I have one of the Crossno's that goes into the 40-65 rolling block. Works real well, and the darn thing shoot scary accurate. 160 bucks well spent.
Don, I see someone got in early in the GUSA clique!
Griff,
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NRA Patron
GUSA #93
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No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
Don McDowell wrote:Griff yes sir, the man that that twerp gun writer defamed is a close friend of mine, and a dang good shot as well.
AWP GUSA= Great Unknown Shooters of America.
That "twerp gunwriter" is a friend of mine; and a darn good shot also. Sure wish I could arrange to be there and witness the blood-letting! "Defamed" might be a little harsh, but certainly taunted to near that!
Griff,
SASS/CMSA #93
NRA Patron
GUSA #93
There is a fine line between hobby & obsession! AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
I agree, and unlike what I know of him. As a friend, I'll give him the benefit of doubt. I suspect there's a back story; would still like to see the shoot!
Griff,
SASS/CMSA #93
NRA Patron
GUSA #93
There is a fine line between hobby & obsession! AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
In AWP101's post, the top unit is by Crossno, the bottom is the Lee Shaver. I started out with the Shaver, then had Crossno convert it to his system. The cartridge insert required by the Shaver unit is a PITA.
So having had both types, I strongly recommend the Crossno (full disclosure, Dave Crossno is a good friend of mine, but that doesn't mean I'm not being objective here).
Another thought (that smoke you smell isn't from your computer ):
Are either unit limited to the types of ammo allowed such as standard velocity only or will they take the high and hyper velocity stuff as well (like Stingers, etc)? Escpecially the Crossno unit...
If they're being used in 200m events I'd suspect they can use something besides "target" ammo but it's nice to check.
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
I would love to have one that would work in a Trapdoor Springfield. However, I believe that due to the shape of the old Springfield's action, an adaptor no longer than 3 1/2 to 4 " could be tilted and slipped in from the chamber end.
Even so, that would still be great. The .22rf still is useful and potentially accurate with 4" of rifled barrel. I would just have to find a gunsmith willing to turn down a piece of .22 rifle barrel to make one fit.
AWP101: you can use any ammo in them. I don't shoot in Dave's .22 silhouette matches so I don't know what the current ammo favorite is. I know at one time people were using Wolf match ammo, believe it or not.
One of the things that makes Dave's liners so accurate is that he uses a match chamber reamer and the liners are properly crowned.
His .22 silhouette matches have become so popular here that a lot of guys have had full custom rifles made in .22 dedicated to these matches. We're talking Ballards, High Walls, etc. Dave tells me that sometimes customers are surprised to find out a full custom .22 is just as expensive as a centerfire, not realizing the same amount of work and materials goes into both. There's a "it's just a .22!" kind of thinking that no longer applies. The liners are a great way to compete or practice with your big bore rifle.
SR James wrote:
His .22 silhouette matches have become so popular here that a lot of guys have had full custom rifles made in .22 dedicated to these matches. We're talking Ballards, High Walls, etc. Dave tells me that sometimes customers are surprised to find out a full custom .22 is just as expensive as a centerfire, not realizing the same amount of work and materials goes into both. There's a "it's just a .22!" kind of thinking that no longer applies. The liners are a great way to compete or practice with your big bore rifle.
Very true! There are a lot of folks who still think of .22 riles as cheap plinkers, and can't imagine spending the kind of money that it takes to own a competitive .22 rifle!
Fact is that a very accurate centerfire can often be found for a lot less than a competitive .22 rifle! Especially on the used market for competition rifles.
The bucks you can put into a 22 for this kind of competition are just as big as what goes into a 45-70. But that aside, my Shuttleworth Stevens is a switch barrel rifle. What I like about Dave's liners is that I can shoot my rifle in its 45-70 configuration for practice. Same weight and length. It helps in off hand practice. That is why I prefer Dave's sleeve instead of a dedicated 22 barrel.
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