Don McDowell wrote:[quote="76/444
Hmmmm,.. I'm puzzled. You say the 2nd states that ....
" it also mention regulation, but is not specific, "
But, for the life of me,..... my copy of the 2nd amendment is very specific.
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Bill of rights...
AMENDMENT II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary
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The use of the term "regulated" you mention, refers to a "regulated Militia". NOT the regulation of the Right to KEEP and BEAR ARMS, where as it states specifically that, the RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR ARMS shall "not be infringed".
Do you see my confusion with your statement? Please clarify for me?
At the time of the signing of the constitution and in alot of states constitutions yet today, all male citizens of voting age were considered a part of the militia. So the well regulated part does have some meaning. Also we have two different supreme court rulings some 60 years apart that leave the ability to regulate firearms, but preserve the intention of the keep and bear arms part intact.
The tenth ammendment also still applies because of the powers left to the state not specifically mentioned in the constitution. So yes Oklahoma or any other state can regulate when and how you can carry the firearm,so long as they don't outright ban them.
You can't cherry pick bits and pieces of the constitution, that's where lots of confusion comes in. It's an all or nothing deal. And there is no part of it that doesn't have any meaning.[/quote]
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Hey Doc, I'm sorry, obviously I was not clear in my question.
First I am very well aware of the many characteristics and requirements of a "militia" of that period. That was not my question.
Second,... if I believed in accepting politically advocated SCOTUS judgments as unbiased facts,... I would not be carrying on this conversation. But that was not my question.
Third,... I will agree that a state may regulate their militia on any and every aspect of being a militia, including the protocol in dealing with weapons they are issued or of personal property. And,.... that is not my question, either.
Forth,...I have already stated above that the OK Constitution,.... can in NO WAY be in violation of the U.S. Bill of Rights 2nd amendment. Not my question to you sir.
Now, my question was in reference to your kinda open statement about "regulating" as in regulating the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. But obviously, in a round-a-bout manner you have answered me with,....
"Also we have two different supreme court rulings some 60 years apart that leave the ability to regulate firearms, but preserve the intention of the keep and bear arms part intact."
Which I assume is your position on my actual question,... and , which puts us in agreement. Thanks. I think.
p.s.
As for cherry picking,... yes I can. And (i agree) because it all does have meaning that cherry picking is a sound procedure. If that confuses you, I am sorry.