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American PH's recommending LG's

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Joe Jakab out of PA, but guides in Ontario has been in his own business since 1983. His clients have taken 647 bears with him as of last year. He recommends a levergun in 35 Remington or 45-70.

Wayne Bosowicz owns Foggy Mountain Outfitters in ME. He has been in business since 1964 and his clients have taken around 2500 bears. He recommends the 45-70 and for hound hunting and shooting treed bears he likes the 41 and 44 Magnum

Mike Richie is the second generation owner of Richie Outfitting in Salmon, Idaho. He has taken around 450 bears with his clients. For close range shooting, like a treed bear or very close range baited he recommends the 30-30, and the 454 Cassull in a levergun or handgun. He particularly mentions the 300 grain and 325 grain bullets.

That's a lot of knowledge and experience speaking there folks.

I have been running bear hunts for 5 years. I am the booking agent more-so than the outfitter, but I am present for about half the clients each year since I run 3 1/2 weeks or bait hunts. I have seen about 60 kills bun clients. I have personally taken 30 bears over the years, most recently. My 2 cents is that it really helps kill and recover the bear if the bullets exit, the holes are big and their are multiple shots. I recommend leverguns first followed by pumps and semi-auto rifles or shotguns or handguns (revolvers). I like 35 caliber or bigger but what is most important is that the bullet be heavy and well constructed. Bears are thin skinned but they have dense muscle fiber and heavy bones. A 35, 45-70, 45 Colt with 300gr+ loads, 348's - all shine on close range bears.

I'm glad to have found some real experts that agree with me!

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Joe,
Have any of your clients used the .375 Winchester? I originally bought mine as a backup for my 7mmRemMag for elk or bear, but have never had to use it. I have thought of going on a bear hunt, and if so, would likely take this Marlin along, and might be talked into using it as a primary hunting gun if I don't have my .32-40 levergun finished.

My 1886 is just too heavy for a day's wanderin' around in the woods. The only time I did get to use it was during a horseback hunt in CA. Worked great, just missed that single running shot at 200 yards. :cry:
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One guy that I have recorded used a 375. He shot a bear in Canada with the Buffalo Bore 38-55 offering and one in Maine with the Winchester 375 factory load. Both 1 shot kills at around 45 yards with exit wounds and no problems. I'd take it if you knew you were shooting 75 yards or less with woodland bears that run 150-300 pounds. I might think twice if it were Coastal black bear or AK blacks that average 350 pound and a good one will be 100 pounds more than that.
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Ok, guess I'll stick with the '86 in .45-70.
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Griff:

My experiences in the field with my .375, as well as Paco's little bit below, eliminated any doubts I may have had about that cartridge.

Paco wrote in http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/375-356.htm :

"My accuracy load for the recut mold’s 300 grain plus jacketed bullet, is 36 grains of H335 it gives 2020 fps...and near one hole accuracy at fifty yards...only an inch and a half group at 100 yards, three and a half inch group at 200 yards and five inches at 250 yards....gads that’s good for peep sights.

This bullet was inserted into the butt...a very large butt at that...of a wild, open-range bull in 1982. This animal was really fouling up a number of Black Angus breeding cows that belonged to Stuart Anderson, the restaurant owner and pure beef cattle producer. I was asked to eliminate the problem.

At well over 125 yards I caught him sniffing around one of the breed cows.....The bullet cut his tail almost in half, going in...it ripped a four+ inch radial wound channel from the top of the hams to the front of the back legs (35 plus inches), then coned down to three inch radial thru to the back of the left lung along the bottom of it, and out the lower chest with a two inch exit.

The animal turned at the shot...surprised....suddenly put it’s head down and fell. Never gaining it’s feet again...the cattle scales topped it 1800 plus lbs....it’s the biggest critter I ever took with this round....but it shows what the 375 and the right reloads can do. That load gives just over 3000 lbs of muzzle energy.

I wrote the above words over a year and a half ago...I still have not changed my mind...with the right reloading to the pressure the .375 Win BB was designed for, with the right bullets and powders....this is a very powerful 20 inch barreled rifle."
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