puma's, the rifle.

two bit okie · Post by **two bit okie** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:01 pm

I just my Feb COWBOY CHRONICLES. they are balllyhooing the new Puma pricing. the mod 92 is $900.oo and change. Tne new 45-70 is $1400.00. So much for a new puma.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:04 pm

bbleverfan · Post by **bbleverfan** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:06 pm

wow. that is crazy

sgtgeorge · Post by **sgtgeorge** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:28 pm

two bit okie wrote:I just my Feb COWBOY CHRONICLES. they are balllyhooing the new Puma pricing. the mod 92 is $900.oo and change. Tne new 45-70 is $1400.00. So much for a new puma.

I just paid $599.00 for mine in .38/.357 in NY

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:40 pm

Their online catalog still has the usual pages and prices...

"Rifles" - http://www.legacysports.com/products/pu ... ction.html

"Carbines" - http://www.legacysports.com/products/pu ... bines.html

"Scouts & XP's" - http://www.legacysports.com/products/pu ... outxp.html

I had the impression that what they were doing was introducing a "new" line of high-end Winchester clones (models other than the 1892) which are made in Italy or somewhere like that and very expensive. I believe I saw an 1886 clone and a "Mare's Leg" advertised (sold as a handgun and not an NFA-AOW gun).

I hope they don't "phase out" the ones we can afford - they have the occasional 'rough edges' but they ARE shooters!

sharps54 · Post by **sharps54** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:24 am

It's because they are changing the manufacturer of the rifle. EMF will still be selling the cheaper ones.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:39 am

Legacy Sports Inter. LSI, owns the Puma name but they lost their deal with Rossi when Rossi recently sold the 92 production line to Taurus. LSI is now importing the Armi Sport Chiappa 92's as their Puma's. Those are really nice historically correct looking guns but they have internal issues.

EMF will still be selling their version of the Rossi 92. If there is enough demand they will import the 454 and 480 guns, too.

Think about this. All the folks that made the original 92's are long dead and gone. The folks with the most experience building 92's now are the Rossi folks. They have been doing it for 30 something years. They aren't finished as nice as the others but they don't cost twice as much either and it’s closer to the original in the way it functions than the others.
The only add-on liability part is the bolt top firing pin blocking safety. If you don't like it plug it.

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:00 pm

I beg to differ, Sir...

The folks at Miroku KNOW how to build a '92 that REALLY works -- right from the box.

The Rossi iteration is a pile of junk, but a goldmine for the guys in the "make-'em-work" business... (No slight to you smiths intended)

The '92s from Italy have so-far fallen into pretty much the same category, sadly enough.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:07 pm

Glad I got mine when I did!

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:11 pm

I don't mind "make 'em work" guns when I can "makem work" for me for less than the cost of a "premium" gun.

$1200 for a NIB Browning 92 (a beautiful gun) or $1200 for TWO Slicked up Rossis...

OR, more appropriately, about $600 for ONE gun, since that's all I can afford anyway - unless I get really lucky (like one guy here did) and find a nice B92 for less than $800...

TX Gun Runner · Post by **TX Gun Runner** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:43 pm

I've had my Rossi for 15 yrs . I do the SASS/CAS thing and there is over 20,000 rds run threw my gun in 44-40 and it has never broken and the only jams I ever had where from a short strokes .

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:58 am

Buck Elliott wrote:I beg to differ, Sir...

The folks at Miroku KNOW how to build a '92 that REALLY works -- right from the box.

The Rossi iteration is a pile of junk, but a goldmine for the guys in the "make-'em-work" business... (No slight to you smiths intended)

The '92s from Italy have so-far fallen into pretty much the same category, sadly enough.

Buck Sir,
I guess you have never seen my post about the Miroku made Browning B92's. I think they are the finest 92's ever made and I've stated that many times. They are as close as it comes the the original but made from modern steel. On the other hand, I don't think the Miroku made Winchester version with all it's add-on lawyer parts will stand the test of time. Just too mant tiny parts to tend to fail with time. One bright note though, the Rossi fire control parts, the hammer, trigger and firing pin can be made to work in them.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:14 am

Well, I've had my "pile of junk" for a while now. It's an old Puma with the medallion on the side of the receiver. I've yet to have a problem. I'm not interested in trading it off for any other '92.
Bob

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:05 am

Buck Elliott wrote: The Rossi iteration is a pile of junk...

Mine shoot fine, and as far as 'fit and finish' - after I've had them a few weeks, they look 'used' anyway

- I have mine for farm use, hunting, and just shooting, so I don't really care if there's cosmetic flaws. As far as functioning, they are as slick and smooth and strong as any other guns I have, barring maybe a Garand.

pharmseller · Post by **pharmseller** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:13 pm

I found this pre-safety piece of junk in a pawn shop for $299.
I hate to say it, but with a new front sight it shoots better that my Browning 92.
Go figure.

P

JerryB · Post by **JerryB** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:54 pm

I reckon that I have been just plumb lucky to have an Interarms Rossi 92 .357 and a Rossi 92 .45 Colt that both shoot just as well as my 1917 Winchester 1892 32WCF. No complaints about these two junk piles. I sure am glad I didn't wind up with the stuff old Buck talks about, I reckon the Lord just wanted to bless me with a couple of RARE Rossi's.

brionic · Post by **brionic** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:28 am

Old Ironsights wrote: - unless I get really lucky (like one guy here did) and find a nice B92 for less than $800...

Hagler · Post by **Hagler** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:19 am

Buck,

I gotta tellya: I OWN a B92 & a ROSSI 92. I have been inside of both of them, as well as inside of other Rossi 92s. I have also poked around the guts of a couple of WINCHESTER 94s, including one that I used to own, and the one that I currently own. I truly see no appreciable difference in the QUALITY of any of these rifles. Fit & finish can be a little spotty on all but the B92. Even so, my B92 needed a working-over, just like those other brands & models that I mentioned, above. ALL of them had stiff actions, and were a chore to lever & shoot. ALL of them benefited from smoothing parts, lightening springs, and shooting a bunch. If the Rossi is junk, then those others must be, too.

Shawn

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:58 am

JerryB wrote:I reckon that I have been just plumb lucky to have an Interarms Rossi 92 .357 and a Rossi 92 .45 Colt that both shoot just as well as my 1917 Winchester 1892 32WCF. No complaints about these two junk piles. I sure am glad I didn't wind up with the stuff old Buck talks about, I reckon the Lord just wanted to bless me with a couple of RARE Rossi's.

Yes, there are Rossis that do (or can be made to) shoot. So many others are just over the line and can't be brought back without MAJOR expenditures of time and/or money.

IMO, some of the old InterArms guns were the best bets -- rough as a cob in many instances, but salvagable with a little patience. Many of the newer ones seem to have been made 'on the fly...' just to get them out the door and bring in the $$$. Shooters (mostly CAS) bought them by the literal boatload, because they were very nearly the only game in town, and spawned a proliferation of 'smiths -- incl. NKJ -- who invented ways to make them work, in spite of themselves.

I had a .357 carbine, way back when, which came from the factory with a washed-out muzzle, and couldn't hit a flock of barns a near-contact distance, but after cutting the barrel back a bit and recrowning the muzzle, then adding a receiver sight and a new front sight, the thing was deadly out to 200 yards, with 125 gr. JHP and JSP ammo.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:47 am

Buck Elliott wrote:
JerryB wrote:I reckon that I have been just plumb lucky to have an Interarms Rossi 92 .357 and a Rossi 92 .45 Colt that both shoot just as well as my 1917 Winchester 1892 32WCF. No complaints about these two junk piles. I sure am glad I didn't wind up with the stuff old Buck talks about, I reckon the Lord just wanted to bless me with a couple of RARE Rossi's.
Yes, there are Rossis that do (or can be made to) shoot. So many others are just over the line and can't be brought back without MAJOR expenditures of time and/or money.

IMO, some of the old InterArms guns were the best bets -- rough as a cob in many instances, but salvagable with a little patience. Many of the newer ones seem to have been made 'on the fly...' just to get them out the door and bring in the $$$. Shooters (mostly CAS) bought them by the literal boatload, because they were very nearly the only game in town, and spawned a proliferation of 'smiths -- incl. NKJ -- who invented ways to make them work, in spite of themselves.

I had a .357 carbine, way back when, which came from the factory with a washed-out muzzle, and couldn't hit a flock of barns a near-contact distance, but after cutting the barrel back a bit and recrowning the muzzle, then adding a receiver sight and a new front sight, the thing was deadly out to 200 yards, with 125 gr. JHP and JSP ammo.

They all make good ones and they all make bad ones. Like all things in life you get what you pay for. Even Miroku made some B92 that didn't shoot worth a hoot. For awhile there they were sending the 44mag B92's out with 1 in 39 twist. Just too slow to stablized must loads and those guns shot terrible. For some reason Winchester and Marlin did the same thing with their 94's and 1894's for awhile. Those guns didn't shoot well either.

BTW, was that a compliment or a jab?

Paul105 · Post by **Paul105** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:15 am

Steve,

I don't know how Buck intended it, but I took it as a compliment.

FWIW,

Paul

piller · Post by **piller** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:34 am

I have a Rossi Puma in .480, and if you think that is not too good, then look up 86er shooting it on youtube as posted by RKRODLE as Fast86er. It is not as nicely done as a Marlin or a Henry, but it works as smoothly as either. I like it really well for what I use it for, a short action pistol caliber carbine to use in situations where longer range is not necessary. Someday I'll probably send it to Stevesgunz to be worked over, but for now it is everything that I want and need.

Fairshake · Post by **Fairshake** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:19 pm

I hope it was meant to be good and not bad Steve. I just purchased a pre-safety Puma in 45 Colt from forum member Spencer516. It was imported by Navy Arms. I shot it yesterday afternoon. It put 5 rounds that could be covered with a quarter at 25yds. This was with a full case of 2F and the 250gr Big Lube bullet. If this is junk then please help me find more like it. Been shooting for a large part of my 61 years on this earth and this is not junk but a rifle to have fun with. By the way I'm a former trained sniper and had a custom made McMillan so I think that I can tell the difference.

Scrateshooter · Post by **Scrateshooter** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:33 am

JerryB wrote:I reckon that I have been just plumb lucky to have an Interarms Rossi 92 .357 and a Rossi 92 .45 Colt that both shoot just as well as my 1917 Winchester 1892 32WCF. No complaints about these two junk piles. I sure am glad I didn't wind up with the stuff old Buck talks about, I reckon the Lord just wanted to bless me with a couple of RARE Rossi's.

Well Granpa, so much for those Pumas I was asking you about, I liked that Bounty Hunter too.

That 45 Colt was only $375 new out the door.

I wouldn't spend $600 for a similar quality rifle WITH a lawyer safety.

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