OT I'm thinking of a 358win EBR >>> Oh My !! (up dated :-)

[H_Talon]

I'm thinking of building an EBR in 358Win ,,
would be based on a 308 lower, most bells
and whistles,

I think it would be a great urban rifle, 0 to 250yds ...
and I can use the loads in my sav. 99E in 358win so
pointy bullets can be loaded.

thoughts anyone ?????

Thanks

Talon

ps. I don't want to make it in 308 due to already
have to many calibers. might consider 7mm-08

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well ( drum rollllllllllllllllllllll )

I went the costly way but here it is,

the Zombie killer Elite



A little closer



and since I won't be able to shoot it for a while here is the test group,



18" .936dia barrel with a forward facing comp,

and if anyone want to make suggestions on loads I could use a few ...
cases will be 308's sized to 358, and I'll need to go with Varget
powder ( I have a bunch ) 200 grn pointiy nose bullets.

and if you didn't notice the mags are HK G3's

thanks all ...

Talon

[Doc Hudson]

I think you are short changing the cartridge. I believe that 300 meters would be a better limit than 250.

I look forward to seeing your project progress. IMO, it is way past time that someone chambered an AR in a good cartridge, not that the .308 is all that shabby.

[Rimfire McNutjob]

Sweet. Would love to hear how that works out.

[O.S.O.K.]

Sounds like a weener!

I understand wanting rifles that share chamberings for sure. Especially when I look at the stack of die sets in my cabinet...

I just ordered a midi rifle kit from del-ton for a stag lower that I have on order. But this is a boring 5.56x45 chambered rifle

I also ordered two more lowers - one for me and one for my funshop owner buddy. I'm not sure what I'll do with this other lower but at $125 shipped, I couldn't pass it up - these are selling for $250+ on gunbroker

[Jeff Quinn]

This is A L M O S T what you want, but not quite:
http://www.gunblast.com/ArmaLite-AR10T.htm

[JustaJeepGuy]

I remember seeing something in a Guns & Ammo publication from the early '80s about a .358 Win. EBR. I'll have to search for it; if/when I find it, I'll post more info.

[donw]

why not the .50 beowulf? as memory recalls it was designed specifically for the urban fighting scenerio; lot's of "knockdown"

i would agree that the 5.56/.223 as a SD/combat cartridge is highly questionable. history seems to be verifying that now since the military has finally woke up to that fact.

the AR platform is ok. just the cartridge application is my question.

[Jeff Quinn]

why not the .50 beowulf? as memory recalls it was designed specifically for the urban fighting scenerio; lot's of "knockdown"

i would agree that the 5.56/.223 as a SD/combat cartridge is highly questionable. history seems to be verifying that now since the military has finally woke up to that fact.

the AR platform is ok. just the cartridge application is my question.

Excellent choice, and it is built on the AR-15 instead of the larger AR-10

Very efficient cartridge. I used it with perfect results on a black bear back in September.

[H_Talon]

there are a lot of calibers to chose from but I'm looking to stay with
one I already have.

which is why I'm looking at a 358win, I think for a 200 (ok 250)
yard close quarter rifle, but the idea of a 7mm-08 as a
to 500yd mid range shooter sounds good too.

I have a 5.56 or two so I don't have a need for another based on
that platform.

and you have to admit a 358win would be a formidable weapon to face.
(I rather be behind it

of course I'm in the what do I want stage .. so we'll see..

thanks ... Talon

[CowboyTutt]

Talon, I like your idea as I have a BLR in 358 Win. I confess I also have always wanted a 50 Beowulf too! But I think your idea is sound and I hope you pursue it! I would be very interested in hearing about it.

-Tutt

[Arwr]

Hello, I am a long time reader, but first time poster.

Another option might be using the pistol grip converted Saiga .308 as a platform for a .358 Win. conversion. I have seriously thought about doing this myself. I'm not sure why, it just seems like a brilliant idea. It is the same length as the AK-47 in 7.62 x 39, or longer if preferred, and only marginally heavier. For the life of me, with handloading, I don't know why the .358 Win. is not more popular. I like the .358 Win., and think it is just plain good medicine.

As for the Beowulf, I am really fond of the Cooper concept of a Thumper Combat Carbine / Rifle. And, although, I can't argue that the Beowulf is definitely a devastating set-up in the AR-15 platform, that freaky little rim unsettles me. But, if one uses a platform other than an AR-15, the S&W .500 could be used, or many others. With a Saiga AK platform, for example, one could go .444, .45-70, .500 Linebaugh / .50 AK combo, .500 S&W / .50 B&M combo ?, and who knows what else, as long as the mags could be reasonably modified to feed properly. I just see the Beowulf as an AR-15 specific round. I have no idea why, but there has to be something wrong about that freaky little rim. LOL.

If anyone gets a .358 Win. Battle Rifle up and shooting, I sure would like to hear some feed-back on it. I really like this idea.

OT: Image what a Saiga-12 (12 Bore AK) with Dixie Slugs (Terminator, Tri-ball) is capable of doing.

Laugh now, but when those giant zombies show up with their killer attack zombie pigs with sharpened tusks...

Arwr

[Thunder50]

Check out Accuracy Systems and their website. They have just what you want, although they are proud of it ($$$). You can also get 260rem, 338fed, 358win, and 450marlin uppers for the AR10, as well as just barrels or complete guns.

I think highly of the 358, heck, for that fact, the 35's are just about my favorite caliber (5 levers, 3 bolt, a semi, and a pump) with the 45's and 38's close in it heels.

[nemhed]

First off, let me say welcome to the fire, Arwr. Having spent some time behind an AR chambered in .499 LWR (Their so called Mini-50) I have to say I like the concept for an ar-15 platform, a lot of thump in a small package. I do agree that small rim just "looks" wrong. Of course, it sounds like you can get just about anything you want if you move up to the ar-10 platform, all it takes is money.

[Doc Hudson]

Another advantage of going with the .358 Winchester is ammo availability.

That .50 Beowulf might be a helluva stomper at medium range and closer, but once you loose all thefunky rebated rim brass, all you have is a way too light club.

With the .358 Win, you can use all the .308 brass you can scrounge to reload.

[H_Talon]

Check out Accuracy Systems and their website. They have just what you want, although they are proud of it ($$$). You can also get 260rem, 338fed, 358win, and 450marlin uppers for the AR10, as well as just barrels or complete guns.

I think highly of the 358, heck, for that fact, the 35's are just about my favorite caliber (5 levers, 3 bolt, a semi, and a pump) with the 45's and 38's close in it heels.

a friend of mine just got in a 7mm-08 from Accuracy, haven't gotten a range report from him yet,
I have a POF upper on a bushmaster lower I have owned since 92 .. works great I love the piston
setup, 2000+ rds and still doesn't need cleaning, just a patch thru the barrel once in a while..
OH wait .. no it's an airsoft not a real EBR



so an A10 is in order ... maybe I can get one of the company's that retro fit piston systems to fit one on it

since my 99 in 358win uses pointy bullets I'll just have to lay in a few 1000.s of 200grn cor-loc's ... and 308 brass ..

hmmmmm if I get a reamer I can cut down some of the brass for my automag (wife bought it for me in march
is she a keeper or what

Talon

[JReed]

That came out nice. I look forward to your range report.

[jeepnik]

Nice rifle. But, I hate to point out the obvious, Zombies are already dead. You can't kill a dead thing, cuz it already is. In fact, the only way to do away with a zombie is to vaporize it. I suggest a small tactical nuke. Like the lady once said, "take off and nuke em from space, it's the only way to be sure".

[Streetstar]

Thats pretty rad. An AR in an "outside the box" caliber is darn cool ---- I browsed the ASI site and saw the .450 Marlin conversion too --- very cool.

[AJMD429]

VERY cool project.

I've not been able to drop the concept of getting an upper in one of the 'Whisper' SSK cartridges, for the same .223-is-too-boring reason. I have the AR in .223 and a .50 Beowulf upper, but something 'in between' would be cool.

Like I really 'need' another upper. But it's never really about 'need' as much as 'want' when it comes to a hobby/obsession, is it..?

Much as I prefer the design of the M-1A (and Mini-14, for that matter), the AR-15 truly is the "Swiss Army Knife of firearms", and you can do some pretty cool stuff with them.

[crs]

My son just added a .458 SOCOM upper to his "black rifle". It delivers a 300 grain bullet with a MV of about 1950 fps and the recoil is not bad at all, even with heavier bullets. All you have to do is put the red dot on the bull and squeeze and a big hole appears in the target media, whatever it is. The price of the ammo will soon have him reloading this baby though.
This should make a great hog gun.

[Old Ironsights]

I'm thinking of building an EBR in 358Win ,,
would be based on a 308 lower, most bells
and whistles,

I think it would be a great urban rifle, 0 to 250yds ...
and I can use the loads in my sav. 99E in 358win so
pointy bullets can be loaded.

thoughts anyone ?????

Thanks

Talon

ps. I don't want to make it in 308 due to already
have to many calibers. might consider 7mm-08

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

well ( drum rollllllllllllllllllllll )

I went the costly way but here it is,

the Zombie killer Elite



A little closer



and since I won't be able to shoot it for a while here is the test group,



18" .936dia barrel with a forward facing comp,

and if anyone want to make suggestions on loads I could use a few ...
cases will be 308's sized to 358, and I'll need to go with Varget
powder ( I have a bunch ) 200 grn pointiy nose bullets.

and if you didn't notice the mags are HK G3's

thanks all ...

Talon

I really like the looks of that reciever. Whatizzit?

[H_Talon]

the upper and lower are from SI-Defense ...

http://www.si-defense.com/uppers.html

they have added a rail on the off side of the uppers
since I bought mine ...

as for Zombies .. yes they are dead, but I'm hoping this will
dismember LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

and the cost of Tac nuks is cost prohibitive assuming I could
get a permit here in Ca. LOLOLOLOLOL

Thanks ... Talon