Is a takedown less strong than a non takedown?

[mickbr]

Fellas, take the Winchester deluxe 1892 takedown models for example. Does the takedown feature make the action/reciever any less strong than a regular 1892? Example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLHtVtlmJCA or is where the takedown occurs irrelevant to action strength?

Question relates to hypothetical max action pressures, not the guns rigidity etc. Not that load data in a manual cant be used in either but being some of us may experiment with 'Paco-esque' loads I was curious on opinions.

[Pisgah]

No.

[marlinman93]

It doesn't make it weaker, but it can make it less accurate over time. Especially so if people constantly take it down and put it back together. The threads can and do wear over a long time if constantly disassembled. The Winchester takedown doesn't have a cam to tighten it as it wears like the Marlin takedown system has.

[AJMD429]

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I would guess that anything that might be in that fine line between blowing up a takedown versus a non-takedown rifle, would be FAR in excess of anything I'd dare fire in it.

As far as durability over-time, like 'wearing loose', from what I've gathered the good ones are meant to be able to tighten, so I'd not worry about that either.

Maybe if you were wanting a benchrest gun or a gun to 'proof' your hot reloads in, you might want to avoid a takedown...

[mickbr]

Thanks fellas, I have my eye on one of the above. I'd probably rarely ever use the takedown function in practice . Also wondered how much work is involved eliminating the rebounding hammer? Ive never handled a gun with one( rossis and originals is all Ive played with). How annoying are they? Can any regular gunsmith do this job( not talking turnbull level conversion) without a lot of time/cost involved?

[marlinman93]

I own a number of Remington Hepburn rifles that all have rebounding hammers, and never had an issue with any of them. It's a great feature to avoid firing pins from hanging up or getting broken, and I'd never change them, although on a Hepburn it's a simple thing to do. It works, so no reason to mess with things that aren't broken.

[LeverGunner]

I have a Winchester 92 Deluxe takedown that's been converted to half cock by Turnbull. Originally, there is not only a rebounding hammer, but a firing pin block in the 92. You'll have to remove some parts of that, plus grind the firing pin to remove the blocking part. I don't know what parts were removed, as it was already converted when I got it.

As far as I know, they cut the half cock notch in the hammer deeper. Best I recall, they have a half cock shelf, but not a true notch. They shorten the lower leg on the strut so the hammer rests forward.

Here are some pictures of my rifle's guts that might be of help to you.

















These pictures were taken on 2 different disassemblies.

[zephaniah]

Absolutely beautiful pictures and beautiful rifle. well described work by Turnbull, also. I'm a little old-fashioned. I have a savage 99 takedown from 1917. 250-3000 cal. I've never had any problem with weakness with the takedown system. Apparently, they did it right back then.

Best regards,
Zeph

[Eddie Southgate]

No.

[LeverGunner]

I have taken my rifle down maybe a couple or three dozen times. Winchesters have an adjustment to tighten the takedown in the form of three screws under the forearm.

Turnbull told me and my friend that if you get a full threaded barrel instead of interrupted threads it reduces the wear associated with takedown. They said that still, if you take the rifle down all the time, you still get wear. My buddy got full threads on his takedown 1886s.

I am not sure if I will get my 50-110 with the takedown feature or not. I like the look of it, and I like the idea of it, but it's more of a novelty than anything.

I try to take down my 1892 as minimally as possible. I take it down if I'm going to clean it or otherwise am benefited by breaking it in half, but I don't just break it in half every time I look the gun over, like I would be inclined to do if I wasn't concerned about wear.