Making Lemonade…
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Making Lemonade…
… out of lemons.
But I didn’t know it was a lemon to start. So, short story long , after I made up my fantasy “Ysabel Kid” Dragoon with a Kirst Konverter cylinder, I wanted to do another for the 1860 Army, which, as much as I love the Dragoons, is the best balanced and best-looking Colt percussion revolver, in my humble opinion. But I have an Uberti “Colt 1872 Open Top” in .44 Special, so it was hard to justify the expense of the project. Then I figured out a way to justify it (more on that in a moment).
Step one, acquire a base gun for the project. Given the cost of the conversion cylinder and the porting, I wanted to keep my costs down. So I went to Gunbroker and patiently waited. And waited. And, well that didn’t take long – I found one, so I bought it.
Then I waited for Kirst to run a special, and they literally did so the week after the revolver arrived. That was easy. So I purchased the conversion cylinder, waited for the shipping box, and shipped it off.
This is what it looked like before the conversion:
Then the “lemon” hit. Bill Kelly (a great guy), Kirst’s gunsmith, called me to let me know that when he disassembled the gun, it was in tough condition. He sent me a picture, and it looked like the parts had been dragged out of a sewer! Bill asked what I wanted done, and offered to clean up the parts to see if it was just surface rust and crud. He did, and I got lucky – it was surface stuff.
So, I got the gun back and couldn’t be happier. Here is what it looks like:
And a close look at the Kirst Konverter cylinder:
So, how did I justify the project?
Well, I remembered I had a few Pietta 1860 clones, including one is a “Sheriff” barrel length, and one in a snub-nose. So I thought, if I convert the full size model, I should be able to put on either the Sheriff barrel or the snub-nose barrel and essentially get three conversion guns in one. After all, I can only shoot one at a time, right?
Here they are:
And I am happy to report, with a little fitting for the snub-nose barrel assembly, it worked! I keep the grip, grime frame, channeled-receiver, and Kirst Konverter cylinder and just flip out the barrel.
Here’s what the Sheriff looks like with the Kirst cylinder installed:
And here’s what the snub-nose looks like:
And finally, proof that it is me!
I can’t wait to get these out. Range report coming (as long as I can keep Y2K from swiping these!)!
But I didn’t know it was a lemon to start. So, short story long , after I made up my fantasy “Ysabel Kid” Dragoon with a Kirst Konverter cylinder, I wanted to do another for the 1860 Army, which, as much as I love the Dragoons, is the best balanced and best-looking Colt percussion revolver, in my humble opinion. But I have an Uberti “Colt 1872 Open Top” in .44 Special, so it was hard to justify the expense of the project. Then I figured out a way to justify it (more on that in a moment).
Step one, acquire a base gun for the project. Given the cost of the conversion cylinder and the porting, I wanted to keep my costs down. So I went to Gunbroker and patiently waited. And waited. And, well that didn’t take long – I found one, so I bought it.
Then I waited for Kirst to run a special, and they literally did so the week after the revolver arrived. That was easy. So I purchased the conversion cylinder, waited for the shipping box, and shipped it off.
This is what it looked like before the conversion:
Then the “lemon” hit. Bill Kelly (a great guy), Kirst’s gunsmith, called me to let me know that when he disassembled the gun, it was in tough condition. He sent me a picture, and it looked like the parts had been dragged out of a sewer! Bill asked what I wanted done, and offered to clean up the parts to see if it was just surface rust and crud. He did, and I got lucky – it was surface stuff.
So, I got the gun back and couldn’t be happier. Here is what it looks like:
And a close look at the Kirst Konverter cylinder:
So, how did I justify the project?
Well, I remembered I had a few Pietta 1860 clones, including one is a “Sheriff” barrel length, and one in a snub-nose. So I thought, if I convert the full size model, I should be able to put on either the Sheriff barrel or the snub-nose barrel and essentially get three conversion guns in one. After all, I can only shoot one at a time, right?
Here they are:
And I am happy to report, with a little fitting for the snub-nose barrel assembly, it worked! I keep the grip, grime frame, channeled-receiver, and Kirst Konverter cylinder and just flip out the barrel.
Here’s what the Sheriff looks like with the Kirst cylinder installed:
And here’s what the snub-nose looks like:
And finally, proof that it is me!
I can’t wait to get these out. Range report coming (as long as I can keep Y2K from swiping these!)!
Re: Making Lemonade…
Excellent write up nice conversions.
Re: Making Lemonade…
Nice! Is that Kirst cylinder chambered in .45 Colt? Is it Black powder only or can you use mild smokeless loads?
JBowen
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Re: Making Lemonade…
Great post Jay!
Except, I'd say you had some "spiked" Lemonade -- the best kind!!!
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Except, I'd say you had some "spiked" Lemonade -- the best kind!!!
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Yes sir - both counts. You can use mild/regular .45 Colt loads - just nothing hot-rodded and certainly not the heavy hunting stuff.
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Now you know we are expecting a range report with all three barrels.
Thanks for sharing,
JBowen
Thanks for sharing,
JBowen
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It will make for an interesting one!
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BTW, I got an ad from Kirst via e-mail this morning reminding me of their sale on Walker and Dragoon conversion cylinders. FYI in case anyone is interested!
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Re: Making Lemonade…
Awesome kit there. I need to get on the stick and get one for my ROA.
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Re: Making Lemonade…
That's really cool! I particularly like the snubbiie for something different!
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Re: Making Lemonade…
I have to agree with what Tutt said.
Great stuff amigo!
jb
Great stuff amigo!
jb
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Re: Making Lemonade…
Beautiful. How does ejection work? Is there a link somewhere?
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https://kirstkonverter.com/
https://kirstkonverter.com/colt-walker-dragoons.html
The ejection is with a dowel. Or, for some models, you can get an ejector rod kit (I ordered one for the 1860 clones). Won't work with the snubbie, but will with the other two.
I'm not overly worried about the rod/dowel method. It is not like I bought these for their quick reloading characteristics...
https://kirstkonverter.com/colt-walker-dragoons.html
The ejection is with a dowel. Or, for some models, you can get an ejector rod kit (I ordered one for the 1860 clones). Won't work with the snubbie, but will with the other two.
I'm not overly worried about the rod/dowel method. It is not like I bought these for their quick reloading characteristics...
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NICE SLIPPERS!
Glad to see we are keeping up with tradition around here!
Glad to see we are keeping up with tradition around here!
LETS GO SHOOT'N BOYS
Re: Making Lemonade…
Very, very cool Jay! I am definitely going to look into Kirst Kinverter cylinders. I also have an 1860 that does not get near enough use due to it being black powder. So, I have a Dragoon (Third Model) and an 1860 that are both candidates.
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I have a bunch of the Howell/R&D type ones, which work well, but without a loading gate, they force you to take apart all of the Colt-style percussion revolvers. Somewhat a pain. With the Remingtons, Rogers & Spencers, and Rugers, being solid-framed, you can pull the cylinder pin and drop the cylinder pretty easy (Remington is the easiest), which makes those conversion cylinders a bit easier. But nothing beats a loading gate on the Kirst! The channeled recoil shield doesn't prevent you from shooting the original percussion cylinder either!
Re: Making Lemonade…
That snub nose has the cool factor, but it won't put much spin on the bullet. I am curious about the range report. I am surprised you haven't converted to house crocs.
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Re: Making Lemonade…
Jay. Dude. You are going to cost me some serious coin if you keep this up!
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That snubnose looks so cool. It should make a nice belt gun
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I endeavor to persevere...
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Re: Making Lemonade… (update)
Well, Y2K and I got out a week or so ago and tried out the 1860 conversion. It shot like a champ! Tried it with the regular/full/original length barrel, which is the one I actually sent in to Kirst to have the recoil shield channeled. Only thing that went wrong was on my end - I forgot to bring my "ejector rod" (a wooden dowel), so resorted to a borrowed pen.
Next up, trying it with the other barrels!
Next up, trying it with the other barrels!
Re: Making Lemonade…
Lynchburg Lemonade no less !
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Re: Making Lemonade…
Well, I finally got around to shooting another barrel length, and by popular demand, decided to shoot the snubbie.
It was fantastic! What a hoot. Lots of flash in the indoor range. Plenty accurate enough for conversational distance work. This is the first five shots at five yards:
Yes, I know - not very far. But I wouldn't be planning on shooting very far with the snub barrel. And the .45 Colts pack plenty of punch.
The minuscule period-correct sights are especially challenging for me to see inside. But this was basically point-shooting anyway.
Here it is. Not sure what's up with the picture of the grips; they are fine and the picture makes them look like they are all scratched up.
Next up, the "sheriff" length model!
It was fantastic! What a hoot. Lots of flash in the indoor range. Plenty accurate enough for conversational distance work. This is the first five shots at five yards:
Yes, I know - not very far. But I wouldn't be planning on shooting very far with the snub barrel. And the .45 Colts pack plenty of punch.
The minuscule period-correct sights are especially challenging for me to see inside. But this was basically point-shooting anyway.
Here it is. Not sure what's up with the picture of the grips; they are fine and the picture makes them look like they are all scratched up.
Next up, the "sheriff" length model!
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Re: Making Lemonade…
At poker table distance that snubbie ain't bluffing.....
Nice one Jay...
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Re: Making Lemonade…
My thoughts too, John. I certainly wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of the 255 grain pill. It handled full power loads with no issue.
By "full power" I mean standard .45 Colt stuff. These were reloaded to those levels. I wouldn't try it with Cor-bon ammo for sure!
By "full power" I mean standard .45 Colt stuff. These were reloaded to those levels. I wouldn't try it with Cor-bon ammo for sure!
Re: Making Lemonade…
Thanks for the update YK. Looks good.
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Re: Making Lemonade…
Can't think of a handsomer belly gun, Jay. Never hurts to dazzle 'em with style points before they get what is coming to them.
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Bill in Oregon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:50 am Can't think of a handsomer belly gun, Jay. Never hurts to dazzle 'em with style points before they get what is coming to them.
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Re: Making Lemonade…
Good stuff, Sir!
My snubbie is one of the Taylor's Hickock's. I pack it in my front pocked around the yard. It's a real hoot loaded with
.45 Cowboy Specials.
jb
My snubbie is one of the Taylor's Hickock's. I pack it in my front pocked around the yard. It's a real hoot loaded with
.45 Cowboy Specials.
jb
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Happens when you lose 60 pounds and hate shopping!
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