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Happy Indigenous Person's Day.
This is from 2020 but, worth watching again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsaG0dQOp-I
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Ain't it the TRUTH!
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On the flipside of that theme.....

When Will Rogers needed a passport to go on a U.S.O. tour he went to the post office and the clerk there asked for his birth certificate. Rogers scratched his head and replied that when he was born they did not issue birth certificates in the cherokee nation.

The clerk got all haughty when heard that and boasted that his own ancestors had come over on the mayflower.

Thinking of just how much hassle getting a passport was, Rogers quipped that if his ancestors had known then just how much trouble was to come, they would have never let that boat land.
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It is officially Indigenous Peoples Day here in New Mexico, and I think that is more appropriate than Columbus Day. The Spaniards took a great deal from the people here, slaughtering many and forcing the survivors to accept Catholicism and Spanish rule, carving up the land in huge swaths and grating ownership to a literal handful of families. Some of course, like the Apache, the Kiowa and the Comanche, did not give up so easily, but they were hunter/gatherer warrior societies, not the much gentler pottery making and agrarian Puebloan peoples who built their adobe apartment blocks and cliff dwelllings.
I think their sacrifices and loss are worth remembering, and not so much some Italian sailor who got lucky and didn't fall off the edge of the earth.
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How about we outlaw the celebration of everything but Independence day, Memorial day, and Veterans day. And maybe Labor day.

Then employers can decide how many “holidays” employees get per year. The employee can take it any day they want. But if the business owner wants to close shop for a day of his choosing the employee can either go unpaid or, if they have any left take paid time off.

This way government offices will be open all but three or four weekdays a year. No special group can complain about being slighted and the whiners will have one less thing to complain about.
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Bill in Oregon wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:51 am
It is officially Indigenous Peoples Day here in New Mexico, and I think that is more appropriate than Columbus Day. The Spaniards took a great deal from the people here, slaughtering many and forcing the survivors to accept Catholicism and Spanish rule, carving up the land in huge swaths and grating ownership to a literal handful of families. Some of course, like the Apache, the Kiowa and the Comanche, did not give up so easily, but they were hunter/gatherer warrior societies, not the much gentler pottery making and agrarian Puebloan peoples who built their adobe apartment blocks and cliff dwelllings.
I think their sacrifices and loss are worth remembering, and not so much some Italian sailor who got lucky and didn't fall off the edge of the earth.
Not agreeing or disagreeing, but with 364 other days to pick, "They" picked the one that would poke a finger in the eyes of most everybody in the USA.
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I have empathy for indigenous peoples. But what they experienced, awful as is it, is "JUST THE WAY OF THE WORLD". They didn't get picked on because of anything ethnic. They got picked on because they were weaker and in the way of a larger group. Groups of people in my past have been on both sides of that.

They did not treat each other, tribe by tribe, by holding hands and singing kumbayah. They were predators when they were strong enough, and prey when they weren't.

And this is seen in all of history all around the world. What became called civilizations are mis-named from the outset, there is nothing civil about masses of people carving up other masses of people. Most civilizations were short lived, compared to the Romans.

There is bloody slaughter taking place on almost every continent, almost all the time.

The problem isn't which government is in control, the problem is that human nature is out of control, and won't be under control until Christ lands on Mount Olive and brings His Kingdom to this planet. And Christ mentioned that until that time, we will have tribulations. It's Normal for now.

I've been fascinated with language since I learned to read. One thing I notice is that every people group has a term for themselves, usually something like "the people". and every people group has a term for everyone else. generally something like "the barbarians". this is true of nearly all the indigenous peoples on this continent, who treated everyone else as prey, same on the SA continent, same on the european continent, same with the Greeks who labeled non-greeks as barbarians, same with the Inuit who called themselves "the people", and every other language group as barbarians, or outsiders, etc. it's universal, as far as I've been able to determine.

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Bill in Oregon wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:51 am
It is officially Indigenous Peoples Day here in New Mexico, and I think that is more appropriate than Columbus Day. The Spaniards took a great deal from the people here, slaughtering many and forcing the survivors to accept Catholicism and Spanish rule, carving up the land in huge swaths and grating ownership to a literal handful of families. Some of course, like the Apache, the Kiowa and the Comanche, did not give up so easily, but they were hunter/gatherer warrior societies, not the much gentler pottery making and agrarian Puebloan peoples who built their adobe apartment blocks and cliff dwelllings.
I think their sacrifices and loss are worth remembering, and not so much some Italian sailor who got lucky and didn't fall off the edge of the earth.
Remember though, Columbus was not a Spaniard. He did everything in his power to protect the people of Hispaniola from the Spanish. He should be celebrated for his vision and accomplishments and not confused with the atrocities that followed behind him.

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The current grade school history textbooks say that the 16th century north american indian nations, before the arrival and bad influences of whitey lived in an enviable socialist utopia with no concept of personal ownership of lands or chattels or even violence towards each other.....this is what they are teaching our kinder .....

and all the once thought credible eyewitness accounts of thieving, slavery, rape, torture, murder, and cannibalism, of the aboriginal peoples against both their own and the new pale invaders are now just so much white privilege propaganda or if any of it actually happened, such behavior was at least learned from and encouraged by whitey in the name of his violent religion....

I suppose this account by Samuel Champlain is fiction as well.....

Having gone about eight leagues in the evening, the indians took one of their captives of another tribe and kindled a fire, each taking brands and made this wretch suffer the greatest torment. They tore out his nails and applied coals to his membrum virile. When he regained conciousness they scalped him then dropped melted fat onto the crown of his head. Then they pierced his arms near the wrists and with sticks pulled out sinews by main force then finally severing the whole limbs. This poor wretch bore the torment admirably. They begged me to join them in the torture. Much to their disappointment, I ended his torment with my arquebus....

Samuel de Champlain 30 July 1609.
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