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I have my three tubes of the stuff, and I was thinking ( :o )
Since Covid is a virus, and it seems to work on it pretty good...
Would it work on the cold virus?
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Simple logic ,,would have some effect, but I'm no physician.
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The medical reports that I read stated that it works on a specific type virus and that Covid is of that type. That was good enough for me. So maybe you can ask Doc what type virus is Covid? :wink:
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I have like 6 tubes on order, more for my friends who don't want to get vaccinated. I had my 2nd Moderna shot on last Saturday. Makes your arm hurt for days. -Tutt
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CowboyTutt wrote:
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I have like 6 tubes on order, more for my friends who don't want to get vaccinated. I had my 2nd Moderna shot on last Saturday. Makes your arm hurt for days. -Tutt
One think I haven't figured out is if it's a preventative, or a cure? IOW, take now, or after you get the China Virus?
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Its more a preventative. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccine is a 2 part treatment about 4 weeks apart. It builds up antibodies in your system so if you catch it, you will probably have no symptoms. BUT you can still be a asymptomatic carrier of the virus. Ivermectin is an effective remedy as you know. I don't think DocAJ is a fan of the vaccines but I am not 100% sure. For me it was the only logical choice. I could not work from home for 2 weeks, not possible. I still keep a safe distance. I do not agree with the "science" of the masks, it was very poor research IMHO because it doesn't compare with the reality of what people are using for masks and how often they wash them. -Tutt
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There is more on the mechanism of action of ivermectin every week or so, and I'll post a link to one recent podcast on the topic when I find it.

It probably wouldn't work on the 'rhinovirus' stuff, although I think zinc probably does.

Here is the talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZoBAuR4ajs
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I thought that some "colds" were coronaviruses. seems like I read that some people have even been experiencing some amount of 'immunity' to covid if they had recently recovered from a similar coronavirus cold.
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The Aussie's determined it killed Covid 19 last April and sounds like it has been used as a preventative measure for health care workers in parts of the world with good results. It is not a vaccine and you would have to take it all the time to keep Covid 19 at bay. The biggest problem with it is that it has been around 70 years and is cheap to make. So there is no money to be made marketing it in the US.
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Once something's patent has expired, the cost of FDA testing is too costly for any additional indications on most medicines.
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The FDA is very expensive to get them to allow a medicine on the market.
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AJMD429 wrote:
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There is more on the mechanism of action of ivermectin every week or so, and I'll post a link to one recent podcast on the topic when I find it.

It probably wouldn't work on the 'rhinovirus' stuff, although I think zinc probably does.

Here is the talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZoBAuR4ajs
this is very hard to listen to, to hear. is there a transcript? i can't catch the name of the website he talks about, and he didn't link it.

Doc, can you sumarize this in plain english?
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Grizz wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:08 pm
AJMD429 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:41 pm
There is more on the mechanism of action

this is very hard to listen to, to hear. is there a transcript? i can't catch the name of the website he talks about, and he didn't link it.

Doc, can you sumarize this in plain english?
Grizz, this guy is easier. Here’s a link to his playlist on ivermectin. Many topics related to it. Some earlier ones on mechanism of action. His more recent ones plug his playlist so using the +30 sec button comes in handy.
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The use of Ivermectin seems to continually change as researchers get a better handle on it's use... Last "update" I read was use the appropriate dose every two weeks, so that's what I've been doing.
If Doc would like to chime in on the newest research that would be great, He has a way of simplifying things for us non medical folks... I appreciate that he cares to help...Thanks!
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thanks Tycer. thanks gcs, every other week sounds good to me. thanks in advance Doc.
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gcs wrote:
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The use of Ivermectin seems to continually change as researchers get a better handle on it's use... Last "update" I read was use the appropriate dose every two weeks, so that's what I've been doing.
If Doc would like to chime in on the newest research that would be great, He has a way of simplifying things for us non medical folks... I appreciate that he cares to help...Thanks!
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Here's a bit of update stuff...

FLCCC has a 'weekly update' now - https://youtu.be/V6gsk8irBps

their home website is www.flccc.net

ALSO - just search this forum for 'ivermectin' or 'cover' and there is lots of stuff I've posted.

Here is what I've typed up most recently:

https://levergunscommunity.org/viewtopi ... 28#p908328
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would the Mods pls consider pinning this until the need is over ? thanks
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Can’t remember if anyone posted this update here yet, or even maybe I did already... :oops:

Anyhow...here it is [...again...?]

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https://drleemerritt.com/

she is the real deal. there is a video at the bottom of the page that deals with the mask myths from scientific facts. she describes the damage to children, and the effects of the brainwashing that is going on in America. it's what we've been saying all along, but worse.

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The CDC wants us to remind people to keep their masks on after getting vaccinated. What is the point??? Vaccines either work or they don't.
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masks DON'T WORK. the vaccine experiment might need several years to play out.

considering who is pushing the vaccines, I don't have any hope for a positive outcome. This "push" is coming from the same cabal that wants to stop breathing so their seaside dwellings don't sink, the same cabal that wants us to stop using gasoline so they won't run out, the same cabal that puts sick people in defenseless nursing homes to assassinate the oldsters who are respiring too much CO2. See my point? "Their" endgame is to eliminate as many of us'ns as they can to make more room for them.

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Did you hear about that High School girl in Oregon collapsing because the kids had to run with masks on?
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piller wrote:
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The CDC wants us to remind people to keep their masks on after getting vaccinated. What is the point??? Vaccines either work or they don't.
Washington State is so screwed......I won't be surprised when they will require masks for driving with more than one person in the rig....
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every time i go out i see the nuts behind the wheel, windows up, mask on, in total conformity to lunacy. the lunatic fringe has been uber-inflated
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https://youtu.be/LkIKCbwBcLU

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Almost as bad as driving with a mask on is when people walk in the parking lot in bright sunshine with a mask on. :roll:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_L7IBc ... e=youtu.be

This guy is a bit of a skeptic but finally seems coming around.
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Tuesday's Wall Street Journal has a front page article titled "Covid Treatment Options Remain Elusive, Despite Months of Effort and Rising Delta Cases." It mentions ivermectin:
Government-funded researchers in the U.S. and U.K. recently began large studies of ivermectin—an antiparasitic pill used for decades to treat river blindness in sub-Saharan Africa.
Perhaps these will give definitive results.
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The results are already pretty definitive; just suppressed by the censors.

www.FLCCC.net and Dr. Mobeen Sayed both have pretty extensive stuff on the net, although they have had to keep one step ahead of the censors.

Clearly, the powers-that-be want the pandemic to stay out of control, or they wouldn't suppress legitimate information.
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you're generous doc. from what I've seen, "the powers that be" just want to kill people. i don't see any other explanation for the evidence that exists in the wild . . .
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There was an opinion piece this week in the Wall Street Journal in favor of ivermectin. Interesting were the results they chose to cite. The numbers they give place it far below the vaccines in terms of preventing infection, but suggest it's very good at stopping an existing infection. They say several thorough studies are in progress and chastise the FDA for not looking closer at it before.
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KWK wrote:
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There was an opinion piece this week in the Wall Street Journal in favor of ivermectin. Interesting were the results they chose to cite. The numbers they give place it far below the vaccines in terms of preventing infection, but suggest it's very good at stopping an existing infection. They say several thorough studies are in progress and chastise the FDA for not looking closer at it before.
I posted that earlier today. Under Ivermectin stats...
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Papers on ivermectin for Covid keep appearing in the NIH on-line library. I searched today (Bing, not Google) for the topic: ivermectin covid studies, and found many recent articles at NIH and elsewhere. The results are generally positive, but statistically it's no miracle cure. The biggest controlled study appears to be one run in Brazil by a Canadian university. Fluvoxamine got a thumbs up, but ivermectin was only mildly effective. I didn't look up that paper, so I don't know if they followed the FLCCC guidelines.
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Papers on ivermectin for Covid keep appearing in the NIH on-line library. I searched today (Bing, not Google) for the topic: ivermectin covid studies, and found many recent articles at NIH and elsewhere. The results are generally positive, but statistically it's no miracle cure. The biggest controlled study appears to be one run in Brazil by a Canadian university. Fluvoxamine got a thumbs up, but ivermectin was only mildly effective. I didn't look up that paper, so I don't know if they followed the FLCCC guidelines.
It’s the totality of the data that speaks so loud. Sure they are small data sets but there’s a shitpotfull of them. Plus, there’s no one wonderdrug, what’s working are various combinations. Data coming out of Great Britain and Israel is breaking down the effectiveness narrative of the vaccines. They’re not looking good at all. Certainly not anything like what we were told. Going back through the company test data shows they used a specific endpoint to come up with the false 95% pelosi number. Combination therapies are at least equal to the vaccines to keep one out of hospital. Without the risks.
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COVID jabs, prohibition of Ivermectin are part of ‘global collusion’ to ’cause as much harm and death as conceivable’
The COVID vaccination campaign 'will go down in history as the biggest medical biological product safety catastrophe in human history, by far. There's nothing close … You can imagine how many heads are going to roll when this thing ultimately comes to its finality,' ~ Dr. Peter McCullough.

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

Perhaps one of the greatest crimes in this whole pandemic is the refusal by reigning heath authorities to issue early treatment guidance. Instead, they’ve done everything possible to suppress remedies shown to work, whether it be corticosteroids, hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) with zinc, ivermectin, vitamin D or NAC.

According to Dr. Peter McCullough, 85% of COVID deaths could have been prevented had early treatment protocols been widely implemented rather than censored.

It appears the intense censoring and suppression of early treatments was a strategy to promote as much fear, suffering, hospitalization and death as possible in order to prepare the population to accept a new genre of gene transfer technologies on a mass scale.

The overwhelming drive to get a “needle in every arm” is such that health authorities are not even acknowledging the fact that those who have recovered from COVID-19 and many groups have no possibility of benefiting from the vaccine, including younger individuals, pregnant women, women of childbearing potential, and those with immuno deficiencies.

Despite FDA warnings for myocarditis with Pfizer and Moderna and cavernous venous thrombosis with Johnson & Johnson, the vaccine cabal keeps propaganda on full blast.

McCullough has impeccable academic credentials. He’s an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, a full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master’s degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the United States and is the editor of two medical journals.

McCullough has been an outspoken advocate for early treatment for COVID. In August 2020, McCullough's landmark paper “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 Infection” (1) was published online in the American Journal of Medicine.

The follow-up paper is titled “Multifaceted Highly Targeted Sequential Multidrug Treatment of Early Ambulatory High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19)” (2) and was published in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine in December 2020.

Perhaps one of the greatest crimes in this whole pandemic is the refusal by reigning heath authorities to issue early treatment guidance. Instead, they’ve done everything possible to suppress remedies shown to work, whether it be corticosteroids, hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), with zinc, ivermectin, vitamin D or NAC.

Patients were simply told to stay home and do nothing. Once the infection had worsened to the point of near-death, patients were told to go to the hospital where most were routinely placed on mechanical ventilation — a practice that was quickly discovered to be lethal. Many doctors also seemingly panicked and refused to see patients with COVID symptoms.

“I’m glad that I personally always treated all my patients,” he says. “I wasn’t going to have the virus slaughter one of my senior citizens. And it is, I think, terrible that none of our major academic institutions innovated with a single protocol. To my knowledge, not a single major academic medical center, as an institution, attempted even to treat patients with COVID-19.

But I did use my publication power, and my editorial authority, and my position in internal medicine and some specialty medicine to publish the breakthrough paper called ‘The Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Ambulatory Treatment of COVID-19’ in the American Journal of Medicine.
It was an international effort, both community physicians and academic physicians. And to this day, that is the most frequently downloaded paper in the American Journal of Medicine.
Early treatment guidelines have saved millions of lives
In December 2020, McCullough published an updated protocol, co-written with 56 other authors who also had extensive experience with treating COVID-19 outpatients. The article, “Multifaceted Highly Targeted Sequential Multidrug Treatment of Early Ambulatory High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Infection,” (3) was published in the journal Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine, of which McCullough is the editor-in-chief.

“That paper, today … is the most frequently downloaded paper from BET Journal,” McCullough says. “It also is the basis for the American Association of Physician and Surgeons COVID early treatment guide.” (4)

We have evidence that the treatment guide has been downloaded and utilized millions of times. And it was part of the early huge kick that we had in ambulatory treatment at home towards the end of December into January, which basically crushed the U.S. curve.
We were on schedule to have 1.7 to 2.1 million fatalities in the United States, as estimated by the CDC and others. We cut it off at about 600,000. That still is a tragedy. I’ve testified that 85% of that 600,000 could have been saved if we would have had … the protocols in place from the start.
But suffice it to say, the early treatment heroes, and you're part of that team Dr. Mercola, has really made the biggest impact. We have saved millions of lives, spared millions and millions of hospitalizations, and in a sense, have brought the pandemic now to a winnowing close.
While the World Health Organization and national health agencies have all rejected treatments suggested by doctors for lack of large-scale randomized controlled studies, McCullough and other doctors working the frontlines took an empiric approach. They looked for signals of benefit in the literature.

“We didn’t demand large randomized trials because we knew they weren’t going to be available for years in the future,” McCullough says. “We didn’t wait for a guidelines body to tell us what to do or some medical society, because we know they work in slow motion. We knew we had to take care of patients now.”

A global collusion to harm patients
When you look at how comprehensive and intense the censoring and suppression of early treatments were, it’s hard to come to any other conclusion than this was a strategy aimed at securing emergency use authorization (EUA) for COVID gene therapies.

To get an EUA, there cannot be any safe and effective alternatives, and since the COVID shots are using a brand-new, never before used technology, making sure there were no effective treatments available was crucial for the success of the roll-out of these shots. Prestigious medical journals like The Lancet were even caught colluding with the drug industry, publishing a completely fabricated study on HCQ, showing it was dangerous. As noted by McCullough:

“What’s so interesting is how airtight the collusion was. It was extraordinary. Look at The Lancet paper [on HCQ]. You had a doctor from Harvard, a company called Surgisphere that had data, you had the reviewers at Lancet, the associate editor and the editor at Lancet. How could they all collude together to publish a falsified paper?
When that paper came out, we looked at it. I was checking the literature very carefully. [As editor-in-chief of two medical journals] I’ve reviewed more papers and analyzed more data, I think, than anybody in the game. And I can tell you, I looked at that paper and in two seconds, I knew it was fake. I mean, I do this every day.
I’m also the senior associate editor for the American Journal of Cardiology. That’s the most venerated journal in our entire field. And I can tell you that a paper like that would never get past my editorial desk because it was so obviously fake. It was a huge sample size that we knew was not possible at that time. And it was people in their 40s hospitalized with astronomical mortality rates.
It was just no way that was legit. And The Lancet let that hang up there for two weeks, scaring the entire world against hydroxychloroquine — which turns out to be one of the safest and most effective widely utilized in people with COVID-19. And when they took it down, it was unapologetic.
My interpretation of this is that was very intentional. What happened with ivermectin’s use in the ICU was also very intentional and a collusion … Dr. J.J Rashtak had used it in hundreds and hundreds of patients in Florida and published in CHEST, one of the best pulmonary journals, that ivermectin reduced mortality.
Yet to this day, hospitals across the United States flat out refuse to use ivermectin. Desperate patients and families have to get court orders to order these doctors to use ivermectin. So, there’s a mass mentality of almost intentionally harming patients.
There’s absolutely no grounds for doctors and administrators … to deny patients ivermectin. There is a global collusion, specifically in U.S. hospitals, to cause as much harm and death as conceivable. It’s beyond belief … These cases where the families had to get court orders to force the doctors and administrators to administer a simple generic drug, these are going to be case studies in medical ethics for decades to come.”
The goal = mass vaccination
As for why patient harm was a desirable thing, McCullough believes the end goal was to secure the rollout of a mass vaccination campaign. All the propaganda we've been fed over this past year and a half points in that direction.

“Propaganda is the dissemination of false or misleading information by people of authority in a collusional manner. And that’s exactly what’s going on. We have a propagandized campaign for mass vaccination. There’s no doubt about it. It’s actually very overt … And believe me, there are hundreds of millions of people under the propagandized spell that the COVID-19 vaccine is going to deliver us from this crisis.”
What we do not know for sure is why the World Health Organization and governments around the world want a needle in every arm. Why are they so eager, so relentless in their push to inject everyone with this novel gene therapy that turns your body into a toxic spike protein factory?

The intent to vaccinate everyone is such that health authorities are not even acknowledging the fact that staggering numbers of injuries and deaths are occurring shortly after these injections. They’re even letting children die from these shots without any hint of slowing down the rate of injections. Why?

Our next task: Dispelling vaccine propaganda
While we’ve made great strides in circumventing censorship and getting the information out about early treatment, we still face a tremendous challenge, and that is dispelling the misinformation and confusion that surrounds the COVID shots.\

Very clearly, there’s massive collusion to suppress the truth about these gene therapies as well. Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA vaccines, recently spoke out about his concerns, and not only did YouTube ban the interview, but Wikipedia also erased his name from the historical section of the mRNA vaccine.

They clearly want everyone to believe that these shots are similar to, and even superior to, conventional vaccines. They absolutely do not want you to think of them as gene therapy, which is what they are. Even Malone himself has made this distinction.

Malone is more than a little concerned about the coercion going on to get people to take these injections. He’s also pointed out that there’s no comprehensive system in place to prospectively capture side effects, despite the fact that the manufacturers bypassed at least 10 to 15 years’ worth of safety studies, including toxicological studies. This too appears entirely intentional. Again, the question is why?

“They had no system to catch the complications, but even worse, they had no plans for safety. They had none of the traditional mechanisms for risk mitigation … [such as] critical event committees, Data and Safety Monitoring Boards, IRBs or Human Ethics Committees.
The public should know these are the structures that we have in place in biomedical research. I’ve led two dozen Data Safety Monitoring Boards. The co-sponsors of the U.S. vaccine program are the FDA and the CDC.
It’s their obligation to have in place, from the very beginning, a Clinical Event Committee, Data Safety Monitoring Board, and a Human Ethics Committee [and provide] regular updates, because these committees are supposed to be identifying signals of harm, and then make recommendations to the sponsors about how to make the program safer.
This was the fiduciary responsibility of the FDA and the NIH. Again, this is going to go down in regulatory history as one of the most colossal blunders of all time. How can you do the largest clinical investigation in the history of medicine and have no safeguards? You have no mechanisms to protect Americans from what could happen with the vaccine program?”
Why were standardized safety protocols omitted?
As for the motivation or reason for ignoring virtually all standardized safety measures, McCullough says:

“There has been such a suppression of early treatment … and a complete propagandized campaign for social distancing, wearing masks, promoting fear, suffering, hospitalization and death. And to prepare the population for mass vaccination, the last thing they wanted to do is have anything that could potentially restrict the population that would be taking the vaccine.
And so, I don’t think they actually wanted any safety safeguards. I thought their goal, from the very beginning, was to try to railroad every single individual with two legs [into getting the shot]. The most important moniker was a needle in every arm.
When those billboards went up in every city in the United States, the stakeholders — which are the CDC, the NIH, the FDA, and then Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson outside the United States, and AstraZeneca — they meant business.
When they say needle in every arm, that’s not a joke. It’s not a needle in every arm for whom it’s appropriate, or a needle in every arm for medically indicated. No, it’s a needle in every arm of every human being. They mean it, and I think Americans should be frightened.”
A crime against humanity
What we’re experiencing is really a crime against humanity, and hopefully the responsible individuals will ultimately be held accountable and found guilty of such a charge. As noted by McCullough:

How could one possibly have a large clinical investigation, ask individuals to sign consent, and then provide no safety mechanisms, really provide nothing with respect to safety of individuals? Everything about the vaccine is about safety. The reports that have accrued are so voluminous that if the stakeholders wanted to make the case that the vaccines are safe, they should make it with data.
They don’t, they simply say the vaccines are safe. And the medical societies are just as complicit. If you go to the American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, they say the same thing, ‘The vaccine is safe.’ Within those organizations also, there’s a large swathe of individuals who are going to have to answer [for their actions].
The spike protein is not a cure; It’s a disease agent
As of June 18, 2021, we have 387,087 adverse event reports filed with the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), including 6,113 deaths, a large portion of which occurred within days of injection, and 6,435 life threatening reactions. (5)

We also have very good evidence to suggest this is a gross undercount, in part due to general underreporting, and in part due to VAERS refusing to accept reports — particularly those involving deaths — and scrubbing reports that have already been filed. So, these already alarming numbers likely only represent the tip of the iceberg.

“We have red hot problems, like children and young adults developing myocarditis, inflammation of the heart. I just saw such a patient yesterday,” McCullough says. “These are proven cases. This is not make believe. This is for real.”

So, you may ask the question, how in the world could this happen? Well, the first element of this happening is the vaccines as they exist today, either messenger RNA, or adenoviral DNA, the mechanism of action is not safe. The mechanism of action poses a biologic danger.
These vaccines all trick the body into making the spike protein of the virus. The spike protein itself is pathogenic. It’s actually what makes the virus dangerous. It was the object of gain-of-function research. So, it has a dangerous mechanism of action. Why? Because the spike protein is produced in an uncontrolled fashion. It’s not like a tetanus shot where there’s only a certain amount of protein that’s injected.
This is an uncontrolled quantity of spike protein. Probably each person is different, so may have [lower] production of it. They have very little symptoms after the vaccine, they're fine.
Hopefully that’s the majority of individuals, but there are unfortunate individuals that must have massive amount of spike protein, and that spike protein ravages the body wherever the spike protein is locally made, and we do know the messenger RNA and the adenoviral DNA gets distributed in all the organs.
So if messenger RNA is up in the brain and we start producing spike protein in the brain, we cause local brain injury. There are now well-described neurologic injury cases with the vaccine. Many of them. In the heart, it causes myocarditis and cardiac injury. In the liver, it causes liver injury, in the lung, lung injury, in the kidney, kidney injury.
And very importantly, the spike protein damages endothelial cells and causes blood clotting. So, blood clotting, the dreaded complication of the infection itself, is now caused by the vaccine. Everything we've found out about the vaccine since its release has been bad.’
What can we expect to happen in the future?
Beyond the acute injury phase, there’s the very real possibility of long term health hazards. If you make it past the first couple of months without significant problems, you’re still not out of the woods. My main concern is the possibility of paradoxical immune enhancement (PIE), also known as pathogenic priming, or antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), which essentially results in a cascade of immunological overreactions that wind up killing you.

[The COVID vaccination campaign] will go down in history as the biggest medical biological product safety catastrophe in human history, by far. There's nothing close … You can imagine how many heads are going to roll when this thing ultimately comes to its finality. ~ Dr. Peter McCullough
The autumn and winter of 2021 will be our first “trial by fire.” We’ll just have to wait and see how many fully “vaccinated” people end up succumbing to the seasonal flu and other infections. That’ll give us a benchmark for how prevalent PIE might be. When asked what he predicts for the future, McCullough says:

“We’re so busy with the acute toxicity to the vaccine. We’re just absolutely overwhelmed, so, it’s hard to imagine in three to six months where we will be … There are hints right now that the messenger RNA doesn't break down in a few days, that the natural disposal systems that we have for the messenger RNA doesn't work [for the synthetic mRNA].
Now, we don't know about the adenoviral DNA. I have a more favorable view of the adenoviral DNA products in the sense that maybe the body … can fight that off and dispose of it. The Johnson & Johnson, per number of injections, has the fewest complications. And most Americans think just the opposite because of that misdirection activity.
I think the vaccine stakeholders intentionally picked on Johnson & Johnson in order to distract attention away from the terrible safety events we've seen with Pfizer and Moderna. The vast majority of all the devastation we've seen is with Pfizer and Moderna …
When you generate a really strong antibody response, it’s actually more pathogenic. The belief is it’s more pathogenic than the natural infection, because we’re seeing syndromes in vaccine victims that are way worse than getting COVID-19 itself. I mean, the syndromes are actually horrendous.
I have seen neurologic blindness, cervical myelitis, cerebellar syndrome. It’s absolutely awful. It depends where the messenger RNA goes … and everything I can put together biologically, and what I see clinically, is that vaccines aren't going to work but for a few months …
After the first shot of mRNA, one is actually more susceptible to COVID-19. This has been shown time and time again. My first rash of patients with post-vaccination COVID-19 in my practice was always after the first injection. The theory here is that the body has been hit with the messenger RNA, the spike protein is generated, it's damaging some endothelial cells, and there's an immature library of antibodies that are being formed.
And those antibodies, instead of protecting against the next exposure to COVID-19, they actually facilitate entry. That's called antibody-dependent enhancement, and I think there is evidence for that … As for what we can expect long-term, that's anyone’s guess.”
Long term risks are unknown
Before COVID came along, the FDA required vaccine makers to provide 24 months’ worth of data before they’d allow it. This was truncated down to two months for the COVID shots. So, anyone who says the shots are safe long term is lying because no such data exists to prove this.

“The consent form says, ‘We don't know if this is going to work, we don't know if it's going to last, and we don't know if it's going to be safe.’ They say that. So, anybody who takes the vaccine is going to have to think about this and understand that we don't know anything beyond two months.
Given all the short-term risks, if there are any long-term risks, it is absolutely compounding this unknown. What I know based on the literature right now is there could be a risk given the narrow spectrum of immunologic coverage … There could be such a narrow immunity that more virulent strain could overwhelm it …
The most recent variant is the Delta variant. That's the weakest of all the variants and the most easily treatable. But if someone, let's say a nefarious entity created a more virulent virus, it could easily be designed to scoot past a very narrow immunity that hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, will be keyed to with narrow immunity.”
DNA changes, cancer and chronic illness are possible effects
McCullough also discusses the risk that these mRNA injections might become permanently incorporated into your DNA by way of reverse transcriptase.

“There now have been enough studies to suggest there is some reverse transcription — that in fact the RNA creates DNA and then DNA gets permanently put into the human genome,” he explains.

“We know this from the natural infection. The T-Detect test actually checks the T-cells when it tracks the DNA. This is a commercial test you can get if you had COVID-19, and it looks for minor chromosomal re-arrangements that code for cell surface receptors on T-cells.”
The question is, if the synthetic mRNA or adenoviral DNAs in fact create permanent changes to the genome, what effects will that have? Could it promote cancer, for example? McCullough cites a recent paper indicating the spike protein might in fact affect two important cancer suppressor genes.

“This is disturbing because we're using novel genetic material and it's possible that they're oncogenic. We know some other viruses are oncogenic, including Epstein-Barr virus. So, when that paper hit, we said, ‘Oh no, are we setting up people for cancer risk of solid organ cancers, like breast cancer, colon cancer, lung cancer, et cetera.’
It is a sick feeling what we've learned there. We do understand now that there must be cell damage that's occurring with this spike protein inside cells. And that if it's not turned off, that that spike protein generation could end up with some type of chronic disease.
There are elements of the spike protein that are similar to prions that occur in neurologic disease, for instance. There may be intracellular changes as the body keeps cranking the spike protein which you're not supposed to crank, that causes other problems in cells …
Future development of heart failure comes to mind, gastrointestinal illnesses, pulmonary fibrosis, neurodegenerative diseases. We could be on to the start of a whole new genre of chronic disease in America due to this mass experimentation of genetic products in the human body.”
Impossible for vaccination program to improve disease curve
In a sane and rational world not laboring under some hidden agenda to kill off a portion of the population, these shots would have only been rolled out to the highest-risk individuals. The rest of the population would have been excluded from the experiment.

Remember the COVID injection trials conflated absolute and relative risk. Pfizer claimed its mRNA shot was 95% effective, but that was the relative risk reduction — the absolute risk reduction was actually less than 1%. (6) As noted by McCullough, healthy adults under 50, teens and children have a less than 1% chance of hospitalization and death from COVID-19, so they don't have a medical need for it.

“You can’t make less than 1% smaller and have it be clinically meaningful. That's the reason why the vaccine program will never have an impact on the epidemiologic curves. Dr. [Ronald] Brown from Canada has done the analysis. It's impossible.
Someone sent me an email the other day [saying], ‘Dr. McCullough, don't you think that the pandemic is being favorably impacted by the vaccination program?’ The answer is no. We look at the clinical trials. There's less than 1% absolute risk reduction. It means that, mathematically, it's impossible for mass vaccination to have a favorable impact on the population.”
COVID shot may raise your risk of COVID death
What’s worse, McCullough cites data showing that those who have gotten the shot and end up with COVID-19 anyway have far higher rates of hospitalization and death.

“The CDC was so overwhelmed [with adverse reports], they gave up. God knows how many tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans got vaccinated and got COVID-19 anyway. It looks just like regular COVID. In the data they had, it was a 9% risk of hospitalization and then a 3% risk of death.”
What this means is that, by taking the injection, you trade in a 0.26% (7) risk of death, should you contract COVID-19, for a 3% risk of death if you get infected. If you’re younger than 40, you’re trading a 0.01% (8) risk of death for a 3% risk.

The way forward demands we just say no
If you want to hear more of what McCullough has to say, you can find his podcast, The McCullough Report, on America Out Loud. Every week, he talks to medical experts from different countries to get a range of perspectives and innovative approaches. In closing, he notes:

“My personal view is that I think the vaccine program has been a disaster. We should have just treated COVID-19 as an illness. We should never have shut down the schools or anything else. None of this wearing masks. We should have just treated the acute problem, and we would have gotten ourselves out of the pandemic.”
As for how we move forward, first of all, we need to stop the acute injury, and that means we need to stop taking these COVID shots. Beyond that, we’ll need to experiment to determine the best ways to block the damage done by the spike protein, for however long that is produced and stays in circulation.

“If there’s any mother who’s concerned about their child developing myocarditis, the way to avoid it is just don't bring your child to a vaccination center,” McCullough says.

“Everyone is just going to have to learn to say no. We cannot be harmed by the vaccine if we just decline it. And the vaccine is completely elective. The CDC, the NIH, FDA, they've all said it's elective. You don't have to take it. Those agencies, by the way, they're not taking it.
So, nobody has to take it. And everyone who is in a school or a university, or a workplace where they're saying you have to take it, or say you have to take it for travel, the answer is no you don't. You do not have to take it for travel. And yes, you can show up to work without the vaccine. And yes, you can show up to school without the vaccine.
These are forms of intimidation and almost every one of these institutions actually hasn't written a policy. And if they don't have a policy that's been vetted with fair exemptions, that's just intimidation. That's like saying you can't show up to work with a blue tie. If I want to wear a blue tie, I'm going to show up to work in a blue tie.
I think Americans are going to have to have that type of backbone in order to break this wave of propaganda, [this] ill intent that's levered on the American people. I know so many people who are cowering … The fear is extraordinary …
If we had a Data Safety Monitoring Report in place, they would have been having emergency meetings at the end of January 2021, and said, ‘You know what? What we're seeing is not good.’ We can actually calculate what's called the competence interval.
When we exceed a competence interval for risks above a certain risk limit, we call it, and that [competence interval was exceeded] on January 22, 2021. Yet here we are, five months later. This will go down in history as the biggest medical biological product safety catastrophe in human history, by far. There’s nothing close … You can imagine how many heads are going to roll when this thing ultimately comes to its finality.”
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You would do well to listen to every Dr. McCullough podcast. He’s unimpeachable. Head of many things. Published. Cited. Steel trap memory.
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Data coming out of Great Britain and Israel is breaking down the effectiveness narrative of the vaccines.
What I’ve seen are numbers such as reduces chance of death or serious illness by a factor of 10? That knocks covid down to the level of seasonal flu.
COVID jabs, prohibition of Ivermectin are part of ‘global collusion’ to ’cause as much harm and death as conceivable’
Hmmm. “Global collusion” sounds like Hitler’s rants about international Jewry.
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Hmmm. “Global collusion” sounds like Hitler’s rants about international Jewry.
How about science, does that sound like rants?
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if you read this abstract slowly and carefully, and connect the dots, does the global conspiracy still resemble a rant? or is it a rational caution?

Incredulity is a healthy trait if it leads to challenging the purported facts. It can also be the trait of stubbornness by someone whose mind is made up.

my incredulity is now finely honed to regard everything coming from government and big pharma and fauci, and gates, as lies UNTIL there is unimpeachable evidence that they are not. my mind is made up that the whole pandemic scheme is a crime against humanity.

I invite you to evaluate the facts concerning the data about the medical experiment stampede from a different POV. Just as a test, a truth test, which may alter your perception of where the rants are coming from. Truth is Binary. Test it.

this video is a good start. take notes. let's discuss it !

https://odysee.com/@Chris_Martenson:2/Kennedy:e
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Nice to see that someone is actually looking at the IMPORTANT endpoint and actual risk/benefit ratio for the vaccines in patients of different ages. I have an analogy I use for patients I can type up sometime when I have times.

As to ivermectin, this is what I append on to prescriptions so USUALLY they go through (I posted elsewhere my letter to pharmacists if they refuse).

Pharmacy Notes: Some updated information on our protocol -

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if you read this abstract slowly and carefully...
You might want to read both Classen's paper and his reference 5. Classen claims that for Moderna, 1 in 5 people who get the shot suffer "grade 3... requires medical intervention" reactions. Do you really believe this could have been kept secret, among 15,000 people in the trial, let alone the tens of millions of people who've been vaccinated with Moderna? Besides me, I know of directly or indirectly at least 20 people who've had Moderna, and not a single one of them required "medical intervention."

Going back to the Moderna trials paper which Classen references, the authors note: "The frequency of grade 3 adverse events in the placebo group (1.3%) was similar to that in the vaccine group (1.5%), as were the frequencies of medically attended adverse events (9.7% vs. 9.0%) and serious adverse events (0.6% in both groups)." So where exactly does Classen come up with the claim that Moderna causes great woes?

I'll note Classen referenced a 14 year old FDA document for a definition of grade 3. I think the grading scale has changed. In the quote I gave from the Moderna trials paper, I see that grade 3, medically attended, and serious are different categories.
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I’ve not studied the moderna data. Did they challenge either group with the virus? The Pfizer did not and therefore the effectiveness of the drug could not actually be known until the drug was put into the wild. Israel is still a good indicator for effectiveness. It appears less than 50% effective at several endpoints. Iirc a vaccine is required to be at least 50% effective against infection for at least a year to be approved. Hopefully the Novovax will prove itself to be effective and safe.
If I had taken any of the current crop of S protein shots I would pay whatever it costs to have my d-dimer levels checked every few months for a while. Then I would know if those pesky spikes were giving me microclots and I would take daily aspirin or something. Why they chose the Wuhan variant spike protein instead of some part of the virus that wasn’t so blasted toxic is a mistake if they wanted to have a safe product. I think they already had the sequence to make it because of prior research and they were too greedy to invest the time and money to sequence the rest and then learn how to manufacture it. It was well known that the s protein was dangerous. It was built that way.
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as i read the abstract, the endpoint intentionally chosen by pharma negates the validity of their data, by filtering for the lowest adverse reaction numbers....

which led the writer of the paper to state as his conclusion that, "we face a looming vaccine induced public health catastrophe."

you may have missed the point:

in other words, pharmafasci cooked the books in order to deceive us.

besides which, in the lab-coat-electrocution-trials, 67% pulled the kill switch to kill an innocent human, which led Kennedy to conclude "authority trumps conscience".

one of my life goals is to live in the 33% camp by God's Grace, with "the mind of Christ" we were given when we were born again. like, you know, would Jesus pull that switch when confronted with a lab-coated-authority?

that's the application as I see it . . .
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It appears less than 50% effective at several endpoints.
I just looked for recent results from Israel, who seem to be keeping the best data. Yes, it's less than 50% effective with regards to an infection with symptoms, but with regards to keeping you out of the hospital and the morgue, it's still 90%. I don't see anything to complain about.

I haven't heard anything recently about Novavax. The last I heard it was proving successful in limited trials, but they were having manufacturing woes and couldn't get the big trial going. I didn't look it up this evening. I was rooting for that one, being less intrusive than the mRNA jobs.

I haven't come across a claim the spike protein itself is toxic in some way. Novavax was proposing to inject you with it instead of tricking your cells into making the stuff.

I do remember reading BioNTech worked from the sequence from Wuhan, as did Moderna. The spike may have been chosen because it was part of the sequence released by the Chinese. There was a hole in the sequence, likely because it contained a genetic sequence that looks like the one used by lab researchers to alter DNA sequences. That is, it sure looked as if they were covering up they had been tinkering with corona viruses and one got loose.
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as i read the abstract...
Read his report and the reference report he cites. Both are available on the web. He claims the report says things it in fact does not.
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Spike protein definitely toxic - https://youtu.be/JwjJs5ZHKJI

Some individuals have poorly-functioning RNA-destroying enzymes, and RNA's of any source (viral OR vaccine) persist in them to a much longer degree. There is clear evidence that the spike protein production persists in some people for various reasons, and in particular monocytes.

There is even evidence the virus CAN insert nucleotides into the patient's DNA; the 'solid assertion' that the vaccine could not possibly do that is the same one that said the virus couldn't do it, so perhaps the 'experts' need to be less cavalier.

One of those articulating the problems with the vaccines is here - https://citizenfreepress.com/column-1/d ... -the-body/, although I realized that in today's society the PROPER way to analyze information is to find out what 'side' it supports, then if it is the 'other' side, use ad hominem attack and ignore everything they say.

When some complete idiots, clearly using 'medical misinformation' once suggested that doctors should wash their hands after doing autopsies and before delivering babies, it's a good thing that eventually some folks listened. Today such heresy would cause delicensure and censorship and ridicule. Today we all have to believe what the 'experts' say, and 'the science is settled', for the first time in mankind's history - we now know EVERYTHING, and there is nothing the experts say now that we will ever find to have been wrong.

What a wonderful thing - physicians need no longer think - all we need to do is follow protocols created by those who are employed by big pharma, and enforced by those politicians who receive their lobbying dollars.

One of the hilarious things is that if a person with many other health problems dies due to some other illness, but also happens to have positive CoVid antibodies, they will have their death attributed to CoVid.....however if a previously health person dies of things triggered by spike protein within a few days of getting a CoVid vaccine which produces spike protein, any thought that the vaccine was a factor is deemed "anti-vax hysteria"... :roll:
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Cytotoxic
I lifted this from a similar conversation on another forum:
“The mRNA package is designed to enter cells, get them to replicate spike proteins, and present the spike proteins to the immune system. This triggers the immune system to destroy the presenting cell – the definition of cytotoxicity. If this is happening outside the deltoid muscle in vital organs and tissues, then it is a problem.”

“…the leaked biodistribution data from animal studies shows the mRNA/lipid package being distributed throughout the body and accumulating in particular in the ovaries, bone marrow small intestine, lymph nodes, thyroid, pituitary gland and pancrease (No data was presented on blood vessel epithelial cells, peripheral nervous system or brain). The mRNA package is designed to enter cells, get them to replicate spike proteins, and present the spike proteins to the immune system. This triggers the immune system to destroy the presenting cell – the definition of cytotoxicity. If this is happening outside the deltoid muscle in vital organs and tissues, then it is a problem. Note that this allows a cytotoxic pathway regardless of whether the spike protein escapes the cell in which it is produced and regardless of whether any escaped spike proteins are capable of binding with or entering other cells
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Re: Ivermectin Musings....

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... dies due to some other illness, but also happens to have positive CoVid antibodies, they will have their death attributed to CoVid...
No doubt true, but European newspapers have for over a year been asking that question and have been tracking total deaths for each country and comparing them to the trend line. They've found the deaths beyond the trend line to be close to the tally reported for Covid, and there doesn't seem to be any other reason for such a large discrepancy from the trend line. A notable exception are the death tallies in Russia, which are far beyond what they are attributing to Covid. You could say this proves there is a mystery illness beyond covid slaying people around the world, or you could say the Russians don't want to admit their vaccine, or its production, are not able to handle the situation.

As for mRNA vaccines affecting DNA, I've not heard claims it's happened. I have read human DNA is littered with old viral DNA sections, but there are viruses known to replicate via DNA. If one does find a person with covid code in their DNA, one would have to establish no DNA virus in the wild is responsible, a difficult task.

That video you linked on the toxicity of the spike protein is well over an hour long. A quick search failed to find a paper (which can be looked over in minutes) describing the tests which show the toxicity and its mechanism. Perhaps you've come across one? Your access to libraries of medical papers will be far greater than mine. I'll look further, though.
This triggers the immune system to destroy the presenting cell... in vital organs and tissues...
Well, yes, that's true, but the virus itself is clearly getting everywhere in the body, messing up sundry organs and thus causing the immune system to destroy cells here and there. Worse, unlike the vaccines, it replicates itself and compounds the problem until (for most people) the immune system shuts the process down. I took my chances with the version unable to replicate itself.
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Re: Ivermectin Musings....

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KWK wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:08 am
[I took my chances with the version unable to replicate itself.
Which one doesn’t replicate? Sinovac? We can’t get that here. Nor the Novovax.
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