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How is the fuel situation where you are? I went to fill up yesterday at noon and there were lines…..in San Antonio!

People can create shortages by acting out of fear.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 8:00 am
How is the fuel situation where you are? I went to fill up yesterday at noon and there were lines…..in San Antonio!

People can create shortages by acting out of fear.
I filled up a couple weeks ago, routinely. Ran the car normally for a couple days and then locally we had a taxi strike and ended up sitting on the avenue for 4 1/2 hours. I kept the engine going and the air-conditioning on and we did what we could of our usual ministry from the cab of our SUV (mostly phone calls for counseling/encouragement). Once we got out of there we parked the vehicle and only took it out for "gotta do" errands due to ongoing unrest, strikes, road blocks and other fun aspects of urban living during periods or civil disturbance. My motorcycle was topped up a couple days before that and Sheri's bike as well so for personal transportation we were fine, for running errands, delivering aid, etc we were OK as long as we watched ourselves to combine as many tasks as possible.

Yesterday our mayor managed to come to an agreement with the fuel tanker trucks and they started hauling fuel into the city again. Last night we took a quick run to see how things were, fuel lines were still in the multiple blocks long category and I didn't see that we needed to waste time as we still had just over a half tank of fuel left. This morning I took off to see how things were and found about a half block long line at our usual station so I sat there with my flashers going and slowly moved up to where I could tank up. Upon inquiry I was told that yes, they'd allow me to fill a 2 gallon gas can to take to one of our neighbors that was on empty, the last I'd heard. Up to last night they weren't allowing fuel to be dispensed except right into the tank of a vehicle. So we topped off the tank (worst fuel mileage I've ever got in this vehicle - due to the 4 1/2 hours of stationary running), filled the gas can and were back on the road heading for home in 20 minutes total time.

Folks here have the habit of pulling in and saying "Give me $10,000." or "Give me $20,000" which is just over a gallon or two gallons respectively. They tend to run right around a quarter tank at most. So when a panic hits and folks DO top up their tanks it doesn't take long to exhaust the supply by the radically increased demand. Simple economics that a lot of folks simply don't understand. I've gotten into the bad habit of only filling when between 1/2 and 1/4 tank is left. Sure am glad we had fuel before this last panic hit. Oh, and now I've got 2 gallons reserve just in case today's strike causes another fuel shortage, the neighbors braved one of the interminable lines last night and managed to get fuel, arriving home way past midnight.
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I'm not in the habit of feeling sorry for myself, but, it looks like my annual (12 mpg) 8,000 mile pan-USA camper trip is out for the second year in a row. I can probably make it ok for a short, western trip.....
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So far, I haven't seen it in my area.
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None here but the price of diesel has gone up $.06/ gallon in the past 2 weeks. I filled my truck this morning, 28 gallons at 3.219 a gallon.
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Last week in South Carolina gas was $2.49 a gallon. today in N.E. Ohio I just paid $2.89......I saw on Good Morning America an Expert said that Biden's latest sanctions against Russia probably brought the cyber attack that closed the pipeline..............who would have thunk that.............................. :roll: :roll: .
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Wow! This is really somethin'! I was out and about yesterday for the first time in a week and while I didn't see no lines, most every pump had a car at it......It don't affect me as I don't need nor want to go anywhere.

Well, looks like the "second test" by the Feds in their quest to study human nature....first there was Covid and now they want to see how people will react with no gas....

Oooooooo...forgot! I'm down to my last 20 gallons of diesel for the mighty Kubota....I'm getting dressed and go out...thanks for the reminder Scott.-----006
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Just got back...more gas here than you can shake a stick at.....one car with 12 pumps and that was me.....$3.65 for gas (91 oct.) and $3.49 for diesel.....I had the Jeeps back bumper dragging and that's with 4" of lift and 33" tires. ....filled up the tank plus 20 gallons of diesel and 15 gallons of gas all in 5 gallon containers.
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It’s being reserved here for first responders and government and their families.
When the hurricane in Texas shut the pipeline down last time I learned that we’re at the hind teet. My bride saw the closure Friday and we topped off Saturday morning. That’ll last us a couple of weeks. Should be back to normal by then.
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on late late late night radio i heard an oilfield engineer say that the "shutdown" was intentional, was "engineered" he said.

then he explained that every one of the valves on the pipeline can be open and closed by hand, and don't need any internet connection to function. so, the "shutdown" was another excuse to alarm citizens and stress us more

sounds true to me and fits the marxist narrative better that "the hackers made me do it"
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Two things really bother me about this. First, the pipeline company paid a ransom to get the pipeline back. This is where the government should hunt down the perpetrators and, as the old saying goes, eliminate them with extreme prejudice. But, we all know that will never happen.

The second thing is the gouging that occurred. Gasoline supplies aren't effected here at all. Yet, before any ill effect from the pipeline shutdown was felt anywhere, several stations dramatically increased the price per gallon. The government makes noise about holding gougers accountable but does nothing. They should pull their business license and not allow them to ever hold another or be associated with the operation of any business. But that would likely effect their donor base.
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Grizz wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 9:48 am
on late late late night radio i heard an oilfield engineer say that the "shutdown" was intentional, was "engineered" he said.

then he explained that every one of the valves on the pipeline can be open and closed by hand, and don't need any internet connection to function. so, the "shutdown" was another excuse to alarm citizens and stress us more

sounds true to me and fits the marxist narrative better that "the hackers made me do it"
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Yeah, valves can be opened and closed by hand, but how is purchasing done? How are accounts payable received? How is distribution coordinated? How are shipments tracked? How is payroll generated?

:|
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FWiedner wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 4:30 pm
Grizz wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 9:48 am
on late late late night radio i heard an oilfield engineer say that the "shutdown" was intentional, was "engineered" he said.

then he explained that every one of the valves on the pipeline can be open and closed by hand, and don't need any internet connection to function. so, the "shutdown" was another excuse to alarm citizens and stress us more

sounds true to me and fits the marxist narrative better that "the hackers made me do it"
.

Yeah, valves can be opened and closed by hand, but how is purchasing done? How are accounts payable received? How is distribution coordinated? How are shipments tracked? How is payroll generated?

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FWiedner wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 4:30 pm
Grizz wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 9:48 am
on late late late night radio i heard an oilfield engineer say that the "shutdown" was intentional, was "engineered" he said.

then he explained that every one of the valves on the pipeline can be open and closed by hand, and don't need any internet connection to function. so, the "shutdown" was another excuse to alarm citizens and stress us more

sounds true to me and fits the marxist narrative better that "the hackers made me do it"
.

Yeah, valves can be opened and closed by hand, but how is purchasing done? How are accounts payable received? How is distribution coordinated? How are shipments tracked? How is payroll generated?

:|
Well, just like we did it before the internet. Measuring volume shipped was done by checking the level in the shipping and receiving tanks before and after. Either an agreed upon third party did the gauging or someone from both parties witnessed it.

Shipments were scheduled by people who understood how to do such things. Payroll? Supervisors submitted time sheets

I can supply answers to every concern because we did it as a matter of course daily.

And I’ve opened and closed a lot of pipeline valves. Most are electric or pneumatic today, but every single one has a manual override. Why? Because sometimes stuff breaks and you aren’t going to loose pipeline time for a busted actuator.
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Well, just like we did it before the internet
True. But...

There are a lot of folks, maybe not necessarily younger that are totally incapable of operating without the internetz.

Example. Worked for a trucking company until a short time ago. forklift folks, front office folk, all had their screens (yes, even on forklifts!) in front of them. That's how we moved pallets

So the very second the terminal loses it's data link to HQ, or a forklift doesn't have a wireless connect on the dock, all we have in blank stares, much akin to cows in a field.

"We can't load trucks!"

"You have the BOL's (bills of lading) in front of you, read them."

"But that's not how we do it, we can't load trucks!"

"That BOL says that pallet is going to Atlanta, there's the Atlanta truck, load it."

"Will that work?"

"(sigh)"

Regardless, there are a lot of network people clueless on *real* security, there are a lot of companies that have their networks accessible from the internet, and a lot of users who will click on *anything* that shows up on their screen.

Ok, thanks, ranting done for now
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jeepnik wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 7:24 am
Well, just like we did it before the internet.
Sounds easy doesn't it?

The sad fact is that a lot of that hard copy documentation doesn't exist in business any more, and when administration stops because somebody's computer freezes up or a database server becomes inaccessible, business grinds slowly to a halt until the problem is resolved.

All most folks can do is use the phone.

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Legal requirements for my job are at the point where it cannot be done without a computer.
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piller wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 11:08 pm
Legal requirements for my job are at the point where it cannot be done without a computer.
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I keep hearing "excuses" as to why the world must stop if the computers don't work or the power goes out. For most of human history we didn't have either computers or electricity. People actually had to do things "by hand".

You know, my wife watches these zombie shows. From time to time I see a scene or two where the "survivors" are living like peasants, and starving. Perhaps this is because they are all young enough to have relied on computers to wipe their collective behinds. When the truth is those types of folks would have been gone in the first few weeks. Or kept as livestock/slaves by those just a wee bit smarter.
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piller wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 11:08 pm
Legal requirements for my job are at the point where it cannot be done without a computer.
It has gotten crazy. A couple of months ago there was a blizzard and I made it to the office in my truck but we only had about four patients come in. One of them had just had surgery, and there was a wound infection but the surgeon’s office was closed and so she asked me to check the wound. The surgeon also wanted me to prescribe the pain medicine.

In the old days we would’ve been able to call in a prescription, and until recently I would’ve just handed the patient a written prescription, but we now have to use the Internet. So my staff is able to actually enter the prescription which they did since the patient lived fairly far away and her husband wanted to get on the road as soon as they could. So I exited the exam room and as the patient was being wheeled to her automobile, I was on the Internet bringing up the prescription authorization portal. I okayed the prescription and then reached for my cell phone because I have three minutes to respond with a texted security code. My phone battery was dead. It took about 25 minutes before it would charge up enough that I could have the staff re-enter the prescription (it becomes invalid if not responded to within that timeframe), then I was able to authorize it. Everything turned out OK, but the prescription has to originate on my office computer and has to be validated by my personal cell phone, and there is essentially no way around that. If you read the text of the law it DOES give several reasons for exemption, but the DEA tends to go after low hanging fruit, and everyone is afraid they will do something that is “in violation”. I asked a pharmacist friend what would happen if I just took a Blue prescription pad to the pharmacy presented myself and showed my physician license and wrote and handed that prescription to the pharmacist if there was a way that it could be filled then for that patient, and his response was “...legally yes but realistically no...”.

A few years ago, the DEA came by to visit our office and basically said “...we’re looking to make an example out of somebody in this ZIP Code for violation; would you like to be the example...?” It reminded me of the mafia shakedowns you see in the movies.

I’m sure there are a lot of teenage kids you’ve already hacked the system, but it goes a bunch of government cronies contracts so it will never go away.

Still, I DO agree the gas shutdown, like the UFO stuff, may just be government-created ‘squirrels’ do distract us from other things.,.
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Aside from the beautiful vistas, the only positive thing I have to say about the PNW is that currently there is plenty of (very high priced) gas...it's edging upwards to 4 bucks....Our Idiot Inslee wants it much, much higher.
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Like AJMD429, I still remember how it was done in the past. Realistically, it would take changes to the laws in order to go back. Texas requires a Doctor to register with the Department Of Public Safety. That registration makes for all controlled substances to be sent by computer UNLESS the Prescriber pays extra and can show reason why they might need to write from alternate locations. Surgeons who do surgery in freestanding surgical clinics can get the permission.
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i guess we are way past 1984 then
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