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maybe we should be calling the china flu a parasite ! ! !
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Why not! Our Government seems to be a bunch of parasites, and they do not want us using antiparasite meds.
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Interesting on Peru and the Ivermectin - https://youtu.be/1vB7S15t5pE

and this - https://osf.io/9egh4

Per a commenter on the article: Peru instituted the use of Ivermectin in May of 2020, after which deaths dropped tenfold. Then, shortly after the inauguration in NOV 2020 of President Sagasti, BIG PHARMA pressured the country to recommend against the use of Ivermectin and the cases & deaths rose dramatically. Now Peru is following the mask/social distance protocol instead of the reintroduction of Ivermectin.

Then THIS gets spread all over the media, and is used to 'discredit' the above-referenced data, when in fact it refers to an entirely different study. https://www.isglobal.org/en/healthisglo ... /2877257/0

And finally, a very FRIGHTENING comment in this journal on 'controlling information' - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7410469/

Abstract:
The COVID-19 epidemic has spawned an “infodemic,” with excessive and unfounded information that hinders an appropriate public health response. This perspective describes a selection of COVID-19 fake news that originated in Peru and the government’s response to this information. Unlike other countries, Peru was relatively successful in controlling the infodemic possibly because of the implementation of prison sentences for persons who created and shared fake news. :shock: We believe that similar actions by other countries in collaboration with social media companies may offer a solution to the infodemic problem.


More people are realizing how bad the censorship is - https://trialsitenews.com/the-war-on-mi ... treatment/
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AJMD429 wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:12 pm
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Interesting on Peru and the Ivermectin - https://youtu.be/1vB7S15t5pE
Here’s good data:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-cont ... f-Peru.pdf
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I’ve told patients “...ivermectin has been in common use worldwide for 45 years with great safety, and (unlike the CoVid vaccines so far) is actually approved by the FDA (the vaccines only have an Emergency Use Authorization); we just don’t use it much in humans here in the U.S. because the only parasites we really have problems with in the U.S. are politicians...”.

They always get a kick out of that (even one of my patients who is a mayor :lol: ).
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AJMD429 wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:46 pm
Worth reading - lots of articles linked to here:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/medical ... vermectin/
It is interesting and looks promising. In their latest paper, from January, results of tests against placebos (pages 7 and 10) were good, but not uniform. Most of the tests were done at the usual dosing, so no uncharted ground there. Figure 6, on deaths in Peru, is very encouraging, but the data out of Israel with the Pfizer vaccine is even better, with disease and deaths dropping 97% among the vaccinated.

The NIH web page on ivermectin says they are following the trials with ivermectin. Given mass vaccination is proving so effective, I doubt they are in any hurry, especially with Biden (and Trump) having political capital invested in the vaccines. However, the limited ivermectin data shows it's worth more detailed studies here--and it's not as if we have a shortage of people on which to test the stuff.
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Worth reading - lots of articles linked to here:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/medical ... vermectin/
It is interesting and looks promising. In their latest paper, from January, results of tests against placebos (pages 7 and 10) were good, but not uniform. Most of the tests were done at the usual dosing, so no uncharted ground there. Figure 6, on deaths in Peru, is very encouraging, but the data out of Israel with the Pfizer vaccine is even better, with disease and deaths dropping 97% among the vaccinated.

The NIH web page on ivermectin says they are following the trials with ivermectin. Given mass vaccination is proving so effective, I doubt they are in any hurry, especially with Biden (and Trump) having political capital invested in the vaccines. However, the limited ivermectin data shows it's worth more detailed studies here--and it's not as if we have a shortage of people on which to test the stuff.
I don’t think the ivermectin data is nearly as limited as the vax data. https://c19ivermectin.com/
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:29 am
I don’t think the ivermectin data is nearly as limited as the vax data. https://c19ivermectin.com/
At the link you provided, it says 15,480 patients in the various invermectin tests, most of which were in conjunction with other drugs. The Pfizer trials alone had 40,000 patients, and the results of that trial have been confirmed over millions of people in Israel. This hardly seems limited! Efficacy can't be questioned. Long term side effects remain a question.
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I don’t think the ivermectin data is nearly as limited as the vax data. https://c19ivermectin.com/
At the link you provided, it says 15,480 patients in the various invermectin tests, most of which were in conjunction with other drugs. The Pfizer trials alone had 40,000 patients, and the results of that trial have been confirmed over millions of people in Israel. This hardly seems limited! Efficacy can't be questioned. Long term side effects remain a question.
I’m wrong. I thought the number was smaller.
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I’m wrong. I thought the number was smaller.
No worries. You probably recalled the Phase 2 trials of the vaccines, which were last summer and involved only a few hundred people.

That 40,000 were tested in the Pfizer/BioNTech Phase 3 likely suggests ivermectin's problem. A large scale test to establish efficacy will be expensive, and ivermectin is long out of patent. Trump's Warp Speed program would have had the funds but didn't pursue it.

For those concerned there might be long term effects from the Moderna & Pfizer/BioNTech approach, Novavax recently reported their alternate approach is working quite well, too. They manufacture the spike protein not in your cells but in cells of another organism. Truly amazing stuff these biochemists are coming up with.

While there are some theoretical concerns about long term effects from mRNA vaccines, I have one about ivermectin. For ivermectin to be useful against Covid, everyone has to be on it long term as a preventative. With that much ivermectin floating about the environment, one can be concerned about the parasites it kills evolving to defeat it, and it's one of the most effect anti-parasite meds in the arsenal. It would be a shame to loose it.
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. With that much ivermectin floating about the environment, one can be concerned about the parasites it kills evolving to defeat it, and it's one of the most effect anti-parasite meds in the arsenal. It would be a shame to loose it.
Over the past few decades there’s been about 4 Billion doses dispensed. I think only the high risk need take it prophylacticly. The rest acutely. It’s usually only needed to take 2-5 days. I’ve been taking it preventatively since October but am going to stop as it’s so good for early treatment and with the “vaccine passport “ it might be worthwhile to provide proof of antibodies for the passport.
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The FDA warning sounds like simple bureaucratic CYA speak. They are looking at ivermectin. The Indians have tested it too, but like the FDA, their governing body is hesitant to recommend it yet, because the doses used were beyond the levels tested in humans.
Actually many of the prophylactic regimens are fairly low doses.

There are some 'in vitro' studies done purely to investigate mechanism-of-action, that amateur pharmacologists (aka 'expert physicians') said represented unrealistic doses, but evidently those 'experts' slept through, or didn't attend, any lectures on pharmacokinetics, volume of distribution, differential lipid solubility, or end-organ versus blood-level concentrations... :lol: :roll:
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I don’t think the ivermectin data is nearly as limited as the vax data. https://c19ivermectin.com/
At the link you provided, it says 15,480 patients in the various invermectin tests, most of which were in conjunction with other drugs. The Pfizer trials alone had 40,000 patients, and the results of that trial have been confirmed over millions of people in Israel. This hardly seems limited! Efficacy can't be questioned. Long term side effects remain a question.
This

Why on Earth would anyone take a new type of vaccine that makes your own tissue produce 'antigens', when there is an established and safe alternative that has similar or greater efficacy, particularly when it comes to the evolving 'new' strains...???
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The treatment with a good record of effectiveness has a long established safety record. The problem is in the population control that the vaccine gives and the treatment does not give. Second, the treatment is cheap and easily available. It all comes down to control and wealth increase.
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Why on Earth would anyone take a new type of vaccine that makes your own tissue produce 'antigens', when there is an established and safe alternative that has similar or greater efficacy, particularly when it comes to the evolving 'new' strains...???
Every time you catch a cold or any other viral infection, your cells are hijacked and destroyed. Your body deals with this all the time. Whether these new delivery schemes will cause a problem is the concern, but the delivery scheme has been under study for two decades.

Ivermectin hasn't undergone anywhere near as vigorous a test against Covid as has the vaccines. In this test it was used along with that drug, but in that test it was used with a different drug. Covid dropped in this region in Peru where they used ivermectin, but it also dropped in that region in South Africa with no interventions at all. This study matched patients, that study didn't.

As thorough a test as has been done with the vaccines simply hasn't been completed for ivermectin. It looks to me you're gambling in depending on either approach. Ivermectin you're gambling short term, but the vaccine is a long term gamble. I certainly won't fault someone for choosing either approach.

There are other points perhaps worth bringing up. Based on observations of the effects over millions of people, the vaccines are stopping the virus. In comparison, using ivermectin as a curative is a whack-a-mole approach. Then again, evolution may erase the vaccine's gains, making it another whack-a-mole, but will ivermectin prove so also? Then there's the headline number at C19ivermectin.com which proclaims 75% improvement in mortality. The Pfizer vaccine is delivering 97% in Israel.

I do hope a proper, large scale test of ivermectin is done. The current vaccines are no sure-fire answer.
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what's the total # of vaccinated people in the U.S. population? is it around 10% ?

hard to say that a vaccine is stopping the virus, if 90% of the potential victims haven't got the shot. or 80%.

OTOH, the clinical "trials" of ivermectin users seems to be closely observed, and does not seem contaminated with the misinformation and lies concerning the vax. i wonder if there are results from the iver users that are buried in the deplatformed miasma.
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hard to say that a vaccine is stopping the virus, if 90% of the potential victims haven't got the shot. or 80%.
One must look to Israel. They cut a deal with Pfizer to collect and present data on all their people in exchange for early supplies of the vaccine. They've vaccinated (two doses) about 60% of their people and partly (first dose) another 20% or so, or about 5 million people in total. As half the population became vaccinated, they were in a good place to see how well it might be working, by comparing the half that was to that which wasn't. They find a 97% drop in infections and deaths, a little better than found in the US trials.

My wife read they have ended all lock downs. This caused a bump in the infection rate among the unvaccinated, but I looked at their numbers today and see their total rates are trending down again, despite the many who choose not to be vaccinated.

With the UK variant already established there, Israel will also serve as a test bed of the vaccine against the newly evolved variants. If it doesn't work, we better hope ivermectin is as good as the various small trials hint. If Biden is on this as well as he thinks (ha-ha), he'd be pushing for a rigorous, large scale test of it here in the US.
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sounds reasonable. EXCEPT that the USA has lied from before day one about the actual numbers, the actual real world data, and the record is so contaminated that i don't trust anything they say about it. the cdc and the medical industry and the federal and state governments have all colluded to falsify information. i don't believe a word any of them say. however, i do think the Israelis may tell the truth, or may not, IDK...
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The Fauci stuff just gets deeper and deeper - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/0 ... loses-job/.

Yet the general public pretty much will take, or not take, whatever drug or vaccine he tells them. :shock:
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AJMD429 wrote:
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The Fauci stuff just gets deeper and deeper - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/0 ... loses-job/.

Yet the general public pretty much will take, or not take, whatever drug or vaccine he tells them. :shock:
they have colluded and conspired to murder a hundred thousand or more Americans. but, it is the goal of the stateists, is it not, to decrease the world population so that there will be more resources left for the left, which is why, is it not, that they are called leftists ? Eh?
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Here's a bit of an update/summary - I highly recommend the talk on LewRockwell.com - it's a handout I give to patients...

Resources on CoVid-19
how to NOT get infected ( with or WITHOUT the experimental vaccine )

375,000 people have died because we have failed to use ivermectin, and instead obsessed with shutdowns, universal masking, and $7,000 drugs that have proven only to be marginally effective.

Simplest Website:

. www.FLCCC.net (redirects to https://covid19criticalcare.com/)

Good summary talks you can find easily (these are both GREAT):

. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/04/no ... anda-away/ (search for lewrockwell + cole + covid-19)

. https://lbry.tv/@JustTheTruth:5/Ivermec ... rre-Kory:c (search for lbry + ivermectin + kory)

But HOW does ivermectin actually work (search for youtube + mobeen + ivermectin)?

. Updated: Ivermectin Mechanism of Action (MOA) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZoBAuR4ajs

. High Dose Ivermectin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqSPJmh0bP0

Bottom Line – one successful PREVENTION protocol (individualize this with your physician...!):

. https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-cont ... NGLISH.pdf (this is from the 'www.FLCCC.net' site)

Vitamin D – 5,000 units daily typical – 10,000 if ill – 100,000 for 1 or 2 days only, if acutely ill situation
Zinc – 50 to 100 mg daily – ideally with quercetin, hydroxychloroquine, doxycycline, or azithromycin – the quercetin is probably best.
Vitamin C – 500 - 1,000 mg daily normally – up to 4,000 - 6,000 mg daily if acutely ill
Quercetin – 250-500 mg daily
Melatonin – (not 'for sleep' – fights cytokine storm) 10 mg daily when acutely exposed or ill – unsure if useful before illness starts
Ivermectin – dosage is by weight, but basically a weekly dose of a few pills
Steroid inhalers, singulair, and other drugs – depending on situation

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I also belatedly saw this earlier post:

"...Ivermectin hasn't undergone anywhere near as vigorous a test against Covid as has the vaccines. In this test it was used along with that drug, but in that test it was used with a different drug. Covid dropped in this region in Peru where they used ivermectin, but it also dropped in that region in South Africa with no interventions at all. This study matched patients, that study didn't.

As thorough a test as has been done with the vaccines simply hasn't been completed for ivermectin. It looks to me you're gambling in depending on either approach. Ivermectin you're gambling short term, but the vaccine is a long term gamble. I certainly won't fault someone for choosing either approach
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Agreed on the not faulting anyone for their choice, but it is clear that most people aren't being given accurate or complete information with which to make their choice, or are getting pressured to get the vaccine by employers or even family. The media (including 'medical journal' media) has severely distorted data and 'studies' on both the vaccines and the treatments (like ivermectin), and it is disgusting. For some 'rebuttals' on the "not anywhere as near a vigorous test against CoVid" narrative, I'd refer to - https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermec ... vermectin/. Much of the 'objections' to the ivermectin data are really NOT true, but rather news-media distortions.

Hopefully the vaccine will have better long-term safety than we would expect for an RNA-type vaccine, but even under that assumption, the ACTUAL data on ivermectin is really better than that for the vaccine, so MY personal choice would be that if I were going to pick between a) doing nothing, b) taking D and Zn, c) the Vaccine, d) getting CoVid19, and e) getting ivermectin, I'd choose B and E....God threw choice D at me because I was a bad-patient, and failed to take the vitamin D and Zn for three months that I'd been badgering patients to take, so I learned that lesson...! :oops: Some choose to add choice C, but I only hope they are doing that after making an informed decision versus E.
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CoVid is a virus. Virus season coincides with low vitamin D season. When the Northern Latitudes start getting enough sunshine to allow people to naturally make vitamin D, then viruses decrease in activity. We should all try going out and enjoying some sunshine on some bare arms and legs.
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So: saying that Ivermectin does not stop CoVid because it is not an antibiotic is misleading and lying by using a half-truth.
so, are you saying that ivermectin does not stop the virus at all? is it a placebo? and what of Dr. Kory?
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Grizz, the issue is in saying that ivermectin is not an antibiotic. By giving half of the truth, a lie can be formed. CoVid is a virus and antibiotics are not usually effective on viruses is a truth. A truth is that ivermectin is not an antibiotic is a truth. The trouble is that neither statement is a whole truth. Ivermectin is showing that it works on viruses even though it was developed as an anti-helminthic (anti worm) agent. A full truth is that many medications have been shown to work for other issues than what were originally researched. The CDC and Dr Fauci are using half-truths to lie to us. Much of what has been told to the public would not pass a Court's demand that you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
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thanks for clarification. i thought that's what you meant but wanted to be sure. i've read that LOTS of drugs get used for things they weren't originally certified for.

not that it matters any more, now that the public is panting after experimental unapproved drugs. what are they getting conditioned for is my question.

oh, wait, i remember. that's explained in 3D technicolor in Revelation . . .
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Think of complex chemicals like that multi tool in your pocket; it may be you bought it for the knife and bottle opener, but another person might find it helpful due to the file, or the screwdriver.

Now, think of your body like an aircraft carrier; hundreds of thousands of parts to repair and replace; many are able to be repaired and replaced on-site, but some are too specialized and need purchased. Humans can ingest and cannibalize many molecules in their food, and make needed things. However, just like it is fairly easy to make a drill press (motor, chuck, carriage), the drill bit is usually bought. The bit would be the equivalent of a vitamin, essential fatty acid, or essential amino acid; something you need to ‘get’ versus make.

Many of these essential but unmakeable things we know as ‘essential nutrients’, yet many more we don’t know, because like some obscure part in that aircraft carrier, it may only be needed in a specific scenario where some particular combination of damages and weather and needs arises. So...we may only need a particular chemical when low on vitamin D and infected with CoVid19.

Those chemicals are often already around in the environment, much as a particular electromechanical part may be easily found in a store at a port the carrier stops at. Humans are designed by God and/or Mother Nature so they can get along well with stuff that is findable; that’s why nearly all drugs are based on plants or synthetic equivalents that mimic them.

So - ivermectin does several things humans infected with CoronaVirus find helpful. This is no surprise to pharmacologists.
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thanks Doc. i get the analogy. i had an FA-18 land on my deck today, with unanticipated repercussions. :D :lol:
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