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I posted some pictures of a couple Ballard rifles here that I purchased recently. A good friend of mine in Montana asked if I wanted to sell him the pistol gripped, deluxe Ballard, so I let it go to him. I packaged it up and took it to my local USPS station on Sept. 1st, and it went to the main distribution center here in Portland that night, just after midnight. It was sent Priority Mail, but tracking checks showed it "still in transit, but arriving late" six days later. It appears there is no scan showing it leaving Portland, and obviously someone at USPS distribution center stole the package.
I've made numerous complaints, requests for a lost package, and theft reports; but to date gotten one reply from Montana USPS stating "it never arrived here". So USPS doesn't seem to care in the least, and obviously they've got big security issues if an employee can simply get a fairly large package out of the building without being seen by someone, or caught on cameras?
Going down to my local USPS station today to file an insurance claim, so we'll see how they handle that part, and hope it goes better than the rest of this process has. USPS was my go to for shipping before this, as both FedEx and UPS have already been major disappointments. Now I have no ideas who to ship through that isn't careless, or thieves.
Bottom rifle in this picture is the one USPS stole. The stocks, lever, and a few other features are very unique to just this gun. Hopefully some thief will show up at a gun show I'm at trying to sell it!

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If you send it "Registered" it is kept secured.

The most secure United States Postal Service® mail service (protected by safes, cages, sealed containers, locks, and keys).

Must be presented to a retail employee or rural carrier.
Requires a signature upon delivery.
Mailers using Registered Mail Restricted Delivery can direct delivery only to the addressee (or addressee's authorized agent).
Delivery information provides delivery status or attempted delivery status when the item reaches its destination. Tracking is not provided as the item is en route to its destination.
Registered Mail can be sent to military locations. However, delivery information is not available for items destined to an APO / FPO / DPO.
A system of receipts is provided to monitor movement of mail from the point of acceptance to delivery. These receipts are not readily available and can only be accessed by initiating a claims form, which cannot be completed by phone.
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I've had several firearms shipped Priority Mail that took 2-3 weeks to deliver. Had a handgun shipped by FFL took two weeks.
Each time tracking stopped at a location along the way ,then out of the blue it was delivered.
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Good luck with USPS insurance, Vall. They can make the process onerous.
Like Pat, I had a long gun that I shipped priority get hung up in the Memphis hub for more than two weeks. I kept calling and it eventually popped out of the cavern of postal darkness and was delivered just as my buyer and I were discussing a refund. This was about a year and a half ago, when the post office was blaming all problems on Covid.
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Long before covid I ordered a 450 Bushmaster upper from Cabelas ( best price surprisingly) I had tracking that showed it in Philadelphia. It sat there for 2 weeks. I finally called Cabelas and the person ran the tracking number and saw it was ' lost ' , they promptly sent a second one overnight via UPS- that one arrived!
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Not saying theres a connection with this situation....

I didnt see it mentioned on this forum yet, but theres been recent changes in shipping guns and gun parts. Before shipping anything, check to see whats current. Only dealers and people with shipping agreements can ships guns and PARTS with common carriers, Im not positive yet on USPS. This is a significant change in individuals being able to ship guns or even parts.
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Pat C wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:49 am
I've had several firearms shipped Priority Mail that took 2-3 weeks to deliver. Had a handgun shipped by FFL took two weeks.
Each time tracking stopped at a location along the way ,then out of the blue it was delivered.
Not sure that handgun was sent USPS. I was told by USPS they do not ship any handguns at all; only long guns.
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Bill in Oregon wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:23 am
Good luck with USPS insurance, Vall. They can make the process onerous.
Like Pat, I had a long gun that I shipped priority get hung up in the Memphis hub for more than two weeks. I kept calling and it eventually popped out of the cavern of postal darkness and was delivered just as my buyer and I were discussing a refund. This was about a year and a half ago, when the post office was blaming all problems on Covid.
All the shippers, USPS< FedEx, and UPS are horrible on insurance claims for damage. But total loss usually isn't an issue. Just need proof of the price it sold for, and if it's the same as insured, or less, they pay up.
I sold a Marlin banner from the early 1960's to a guy back before covid, and it disappeared. When I checked tracking it said they attempted delivery 3 times, but buyer said he got no yellow slips telling him he'd missed delivery. He went to his local USPS and they didn't have the package. I filed a claim and got paid by USPS in 4 days! Then 13 months later the banner showed up at my address marked "return to sender". I sold it to the same guy again.
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Malamute wrote:
Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:16 pm
Not saying theres a connection with this situation....

I didnt see it mentioned on this forum yet, but theres been recent changes in shipping guns and gun parts. Before shipping anything, check to see whats current. Only dealers and people with shipping agreements can ships guns and PARTS with common carriers, Im not positive yet on USPS. This is a significant change in individuals being able to ship guns or even parts.
Not USPS. They still accept long guns that are post 1898 shipped to or from an FFL, and antique rifles without any issues. But both FedEx and UPS now require shipments of any gun to go through an FFL. So you have to find a friendly FFL that wont gouge you if you pack it, and they just sit it on their counter to ship out for you if it's an antique. Of course if it's not antique you need an FFL to ship to or from anyway, so it just goes through a gun store.
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FFL dealers can ship handguns US Postal Priority two day mail .and is cheapest means for them.
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If something comes up stolen from the USPS the people to talk to are not the clerks, you need to talk to a Postal Inspector. They are the ones that can get you results.
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I'll almost bet it shows up in the next week or so. Like I said this happens all the time Unfortunatly. Its always same way too . It moves a little down the line ,then nothing ,no movement and followed by its still on the way arriving late. Two to three weeks later it shows up.

I just went back and checked through feedback system on Gunbroker .Two years ago I purchased a rifle of a dealer on 17th of December , It was sent Priority Mail and arrived on January 4th .

Not gun related but I called and talked to Post Master about a package one time that got close then was sent to another town ,then back to same place and scanned again.

They said that packages sometimes accidently fall into wrong bin as they are open and right beside each other .
First thing I would doing is having the local Post Master call the distribution center and demand a search.
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Rusty wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 1:04 am
If something comes up stolen from the USPS the people to talk to are not the clerks, you need to talk to a Postal Inspector. They are the ones that can get you results.
Have you tried talking to a Postal Inspector, or almost anyone at USPS lately? I filed a theft report with USPS Postal Inspectors since they do not answer their phone, or respond to phone calls, and that's been 5 days ago now, and no response or acknowledgement they even got my report.
So far I've gotten one person who actually called me when I left a message, and a couple others who told me they messaged the Portland Center, but never got a reply back to them.
From what I see nobody at USPS cares if a package doesn't reach it's destination.
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Pat C wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:36 am
I'll almost bet it shows up in the next week or so. Like I said this happens all the time Unfortunatly. Its always same way too . It moves a little down the line ,then nothing ,no movement and followed by its still on the way arriving late. Two to three weeks later it shows up.

I just went back and checked through feedback system on Gunbroker .Two years ago I purchased a rifle of a dealer on 17th of December , It was sent Priority Mail and arrived on January 4th .

Not gun related but I called and talked to Post Master about a package one time that got close then was sent to another town ,then back to same place and scanned again.

They said that packages sometimes accidently fall into wrong bin as they are open and right beside each other .
First thing I would doing is having the local Post Master call the distribution center and demand a search.
As I mentioned, nobody answers their phone, and even going to my local station and requesting to speak to the Postmaster was futile. I was told to go online and file a claim, that they can't help me with a missing package once it leaves and checks in at the main hub.
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Sounds like maybe trying a smaller near by town PO might help. I deal with three different PO 's locally and all are fairly small town .No problem calling any of them or talking to Postmaster there. Not that will solve anything but you know they have ways of communicating outside what individuals can do.
Stay with but honestly I wouldn't start worrying until first week in October. If it doesn't show by the one month mark,its either gone or really neglected /misplaced.
I 'll be will to bet they know the person that scanned it last .

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A friend called me last night as he said he was sitting at home visiting with a friend of his who happens to work at the Portland Distribution Center for the last 39 years. He put him on the phone, and we talked for quite awhile. One question I asked was whether there was any possibility a worker could get a package out of the place, and he said they've got so many cameras there's no way anyone could get anything bigger than what fit in their pocket out of the building. So that was good news.
He went on to say they've got all no machines as this is a brand new building. But he said occasionally the new machines screw up, and a package gets routed to the wrong place, and then has to find it's way back to the correct destination. So it's still possible it's on a US tour, and may end up at the correct address eventually. Just a question of whether it withstands all the travel, and when it finally gets sent to the right address!
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A couple of years ago I bought some tools in the US and had them sent by USPS priority. Normally post only takes 2-3 weeks to reach here from the US. On this occasion the parcel turned up about 5 months later and the packaging was intact and nothing was missing.
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Uggghhh -- USPS

Anytime a package is sent to me and USPS is the courier , -- it always gets returned to sender as "Address not found" --- Hmmmmmm -- Fed Ex, UPS, Amazon etc etc etc have no problem finding my house several times a week , but USPS can't?

I have a PO Box , because i live on a street that has traffic from young people in the AM going to a nearby Vo-Tech, so have had 2 brick mailboxes destroyed within a 3 year time stretch by young drivers looking at their phones, so i decided not to rebuild again and instead use the PO Box --

I flagged down the letter carrier in the area and all he could stammer out as an explanation was -- "well -- well -- you dont have a mailbox " - i didnt get livid with this gentleman as i couldnt verify that it was he who was losing my packages

So i put up a mailbox ! A T-post, a bracket and some lettering for the house number and voila !


3 days later was receiving some glasses from Oakley's prescription shop - clears and sunglasses -- and hallelujah! They found the house this time ! Instead of placing my somewhat expensive package containing prescription eyewear on my porch where every other package gets left, my glasses were in a box laying in the yard a few feet from the mailbox where the letter carrier tossed them out without a care -- I literally thought it was trash when i got out of the truck to pick it up as i was departing for the day

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A year ago I shipped a deluxe engraved 1894 from New England to New Orleans. At the advice of my small town postmaster, I shipped it registered mail, very expensive. He said it was the MOST secure way to ship - bar none! The gun ended up being routed to Chicago and sat there for over a week!!! No updates on tracking - nothing. I had many sleepless nights. The postmaster made numerous calls for me trying to decipher what had happened, with no luck. Eventually, it did arrive in New Orleans, two weeks later. I still think the USPS is the best way to go. I wouldn't ship an anvil with UPS - they'd break the horn off for sure!
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marlinman93 wrote:
Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:54 pm
Bill in Oregon wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:23 am
Good luck with USPS insurance, Vall. They can make the process onerous.
Like Pat, I had a long gun that I shipped priority get hung up in the Memphis hub for more than two weeks. I kept calling and it eventually popped out of the cavern of postal darkness and was delivered just as my buyer and I were discussing a refund. This was about a year and a half ago, when the post office was blaming all problems on Covid.
All the shippers, USPS< FedEx, and UPS are horrible on insurance claims for damage. But total loss usually isn't an issue. Just need proof of the price it sold for, and if it's the same as insured, or less, they pay up.
I sold a Marlin banner from the early 1960's to a guy back before covid, and it disappeared. When I checked tracking it said they attempted delivery 3 times, but buyer said he got no yellow slips telling him he'd missed delivery. He went to his local USPS and they didn't have the package. I filed a claim and got paid by USPS in 4 days! Then 13 months later the banner showed up at my address marked "return to sender". I sold it to the same guy again.
We’ve had very good luck with UPS insurance over damaged goods . You send pics yadda yadda yadda wait about two months and they make a decision and so far have paid all we’ve sent in . Then they tell you they’ll get the item , all the items require an FFL for them to get them . So the item sits in our safe another sixty days which is their time period to be pick up or it goes back to us . We then relist the item and usually come close to doubling our profit .
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As far as USPS or Fredex or UPS sending the wrong way . I sent a box of brass to someone on here I think it was in CO or MT , it got on the way from Virginia straight to Puerto Rico and then went out west :roll:
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6pt-sika wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:00 pm
As far as USPS or Fredex or UPS sending the wrong way . I sent a box of brass to someone on here I think it was in CO or MT , it got on the way from Virginia straight to Puerto Rico and then went out west :roll:
That was the 6.5 PRC brass I bought from you, that was really strange for sure.
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