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No one mentions buckshot in the UK very often but seeing I have a few lbs of #4buck and Alliant Herco I thought I would have a go.

I failed to remember to photograph the pattern tonight but its looking good so far. Certainly fox capable at 40yds.

It's a simple load of 27 #4buck on fibre and nitro cards burning 25gns of Alliant Herco.
It seems I have to see little to no rib with buckshot and slugs compared to birdshot, I can not figure that out

The photo taken by a friend was pulled from a video he took.
At half speed you can see the full cycle of the long recoil action.

In the photo the barrel has returned to battery and has just ejected the case. The shell lifter has not lifted the next cartridge yet and released the bolt although I can just see the next cartridge (dark blue) about to be lifted.
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Excellent.
Not that it helps you much but #4 buck has tested out to be an outstanding self defense load.
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I load a fair amount of buck everything from 000000 down to #3 . Can’t say I’ve ever been fond of #4 , there are however plenty folks around here that like it for deer in front of dogs as well as the aforementioned self defense .
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Remington 3” 12ga
41 pellets of .24” diameter pellets. Like shooting 41 .22lr shells at one time. Use a 3 1/2” and it’s like shooting the whole box! What’s not to like?
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jmiller wrote:
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Remington 3” 12ga
41 pellets of .24” diameter pellets. Like shooting 41 .22lr shells at one time. Use a 3 1/2” and it’s like shooting the whole box! What’s not to like?
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jmiller wrote:
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Remington 3” 12ga
41 pellets of .24” diameter pellets. Like shooting 41 .22lr shells at one time. Use a 3 1/2” and it’s like shooting the whole box! What’s not to like?
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In my 10g muzzleloader I tip 40 count in it. It rattles the fillings but is pretty effective!
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#4 buckshot is a GREAT choice for using on coyotes, called in under the moonlight.
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Years ago I bought three guns from a widow lady. Gave her what she was asking for them and we were both happy. She tossed in the ammo that went along with them. The one I wasn't sure about was an old no-name 12 bore singleshot with old cloth electrical tape wrapped around the pistol grip. Found out the reason that was there was to hold it to the frame because the stock bolt was missing for some reason. Anyway, it was an interesting old piece. The ammo for it was a couple boxes of 3" #4 buck loads, with one or two missing from one box. Even though I was young at the time, my mom raised ugly kids, not dumb ones. I went out to the local unofficial range and shot those up out of a friend's Mossberg 500. Even out of that heavier gun they were enough to rattle your teeth. No wonder only one or two were missing from the box!
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AmBraCol wrote:
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Years ago I bought three guns from a widow lady. Gave her what she was asking for them and we were both happy. She tossed in the ammo that went along with them. The one I wasn't sure about was an old no-name 12 bore singleshot with old cloth electrical tape wrapped around the pistol grip. Found out the reason that was there was to hold it to the frame because the stock bolt was missing for some reason. Anyway, it was an interesting old piece. The ammo for it was a couple boxes of 3" #4 buck loads, with one or two missing from one box. Even though I was young at the time, my mom raised ugly kids, not dumb ones. I went out to the local unofficial range and shot those up out of a friend's Mossberg 500. Even out of that heavier gun they were enough to rattle your teeth. No wonder only one or two were missing from the box!
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I've used #4 buck for my home defense 20 guage for over 40 years. From my short barrel on my Franchi I patterns great at in house ranges. Used it on a coyote once, it was probably rabid, and the results were impressive.
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I keep a box of #4 buck handy for night time pest duties. Inside 30 yards from a 3" 12ga i have found it very effective on coyotes and various garden or chicken coop raiders.


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yooper2 wrote:
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I keep a box of #4 buck handy for night time pest duties. Inside 30 yards from a 3" 12ga i have found it very effective on coyotes and various garden or chicken coop raiders.
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I read about UK buck sizes in the old day. LG which was 6 to the ounce, must have been similar to 000 buck, SG which is about same as OO buck, SSG which is 16 pellets to the ounce which would make it somewhere between no2 and no.3 buck and AAA which is about the same as #4 from memory.
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mickbr wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 5:34 am
I read about UK buck sizes in the old day. LG which was 6 to the ounce, must have been similar to 000 buck, SG which is about same as OO buck, SSG which is 16 pellets to the ounce which would make it somewhere between no2 and no.3 buck and AAA which is about the same as #4 from memory.
LG .36"
SG .33"
SSG .27"
SSSG .24"
AAA .21

#4 buck is around .240 or 6.1mm.

All taken by memory!

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I have used Spec.SG and AAA on Roe deer at about 35 yds dropped them where they stood. I was impressed with the way that buckshot performed not so the OO buck I used on a feral cat, it laughed at the lack of pattern and almost ran between my feet .. :lol:
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gamekeeper wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 2:46 pm
I have used Spec.SG and AAA on Roe deer at about 35 yds dropped them where they stood. I was impressed with the way that buckshot performed not so the OO buck I used on a feral cat, it laughed at the lack of pattern and almost ran between my feet .. :lol:
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In the late 80's, I lived in Alabama and hunted with a coworkers brother in law about every weekend I could get away. He liked to hunt deer with a pack of hounds through a swamp on the plantation. I was always told to bring a shotgun and a rifle as maybe I would be in a blind or posted in a peanut field near the swamp. I used this double barrel 10 gauge with #4 buck and shot the deer, just the same as rabbit hunting as a boy on the farm in Kentucky. I waited for the deer to clear the water and get in the open, check carefully to be positive there were no dogs close, then lead and aim for the eye. The number 4 buck dropped them just like a rabbit up to 45 yards. I never shot over that as my shotgun had no choke and the pattern started spreading too much at longer than that. The 3.5 10 holds 54 pellets of number 4 buck (a12 gauge holds 24 pellets of #4 buck in the standard load).
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In the late 80's, I lived in Alabama and hunted with a coworkers brother in law about every weekend I could get away. He liked to hunt deer with a pack of hounds through a swamp on the plantation. I was always told to bring a shotgun and a rifle as maybe I would be in a blind or posted in a peanut field near the swamp. I used this double barrel 10 gauge with #4 buck and shot the deer, just the same as rabbit hunting as a boy on the farm in Kentucky. I waited for the deer to clear the water and get in the open, check carefully to be positive there were no dogs close, then lead and aim for the eye. The number 4 buck dropped them just like a rabbit up to 45 yards. I never shot over that as my shotgun had no choke and the pattern started spreading too much at longer than that. The 3.5 10 holds 54 pellets of number 4 buck (a12 gauge holds 24 pellets of #4 buck in the standard load).10gadoublebbl001.jpg


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I thought a standard 12g #4 buckshot count is 27, a standard load being 1&1/8oz??
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Said it before and I'll say it again...SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND! :mrgreen:

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When I worked for the Dept. of Corrections we were issued 2 3/4" 12 ga. Number 4 buckshot as our carry load in the Remington 870's. It worked quite well and the prison population were quite respectful of it.
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Nath wrote:
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buckeyeshooter wrote:
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In the late 80's, I lived in Alabama and hunted with a coworkers brother in law about every weekend I could get away. He liked to hunt deer with a pack of hounds through a swamp on the plantation. I was always told to bring a shotgun and a rifle as maybe I would be in a blind or posted in a peanut field near the swamp. I used this double barrel 10 gauge with #4 buck and shot the deer, just the same as rabbit hunting as a boy on the farm in Kentucky. I waited for the deer to clear the water and get in the open, check carefully to be positive there were no dogs close, then lead and aim for the eye. The number 4 buck dropped them just like a rabbit up to 45 yards. I never shot over that as my shotgun had no choke and the pattern started spreading too much at longer than that. The 3.5 10 holds 54 pellets of number 4 buck (a12 gauge holds 24 pellets of #4 buck in the standard load).10gadoublebbl001.jpg


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I thought a standard 12g #4 buckshot count is 27, a standard load being 1&1/8oz??
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Nath wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 8:49 am
mickbr wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 5:34 am
I read about UK buck sizes in the old day. LG which was 6 to the ounce, must have been similar to 000 buck, SG which is about same as OO buck, SSG which is 16 pellets to the ounce which would make it somewhere between no2 and no.3 buck and AAA which is about the same as #4 from memory.
LG .36"
SG .33"
SSG .27"
SSSG .24"
AAA .21

#4 buck is around .240 or 6.1mm.

All taken by memory!

Just checked and did some editing.
Thanks Nath I didnt recall SSSG.
.24 is close to #3 buck.
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Being in a shotgun state I have probably killed more deer with buckshot than slugs.
If im hunting from a tree ill drop a 3" 4 buck down the pipe and then 3" 00 in the mag of my Benelli. Or if its my 870 it only eats 2&³/⁴.
4 buck works well on calm deer, I've used the 870 with my slightly modified 30" full choke to keep a 27 pellet load in the vitals at 40 yards. Yes that much buckshot causes shoulders to head right for the grinder!
I much prefer 00 for driven deer just for pellet diameter.
00 has worked very well from the 870, ported barrel honed choke , shoots fantastic patterns out to 50 yards. Yes honestly killed deer at 50+ yards.
The M1Super90 wears a 28" barrel with a Carlson(?) Ported choke that adores Federal 3" 00- NOT flite control, and produces great patterns. It likes 1 buck as well.
Next to try is 4 buck in my 28 ga( for kicks) , 14 pellets fit in the wad with buffer.
000 is good out of the 410. With a plastic wad 3 peices of 000 stay tight quite a ways from a skeet choke. ( 410s are generally over choked!)
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GunnyMack wrote:
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Being in a shotgun state I have probably killed more deer with buckshot than slugs.
If im hunting from a tree ill drop a 3" 4 buck down the pipe and then 3" 00 in the mag of my Benelli. Or if its my 870 it only eats 2&³/⁴.
4 buck works well on calm deer, I've used the 870 with my slightly modified 30" full choke to keep a 27 pellet load in the vitals at 40 yards. Yes that much buckshot causes shoulders to head right for the grinder!
I much prefer 00 for driven deer just for pellet diameter.
00 has worked very well from the 870, ported barrel honed choke , shoots fantastic patterns out to 50 yards. Yes honestly killed deer at 50+ yards.
The M1Super90 wears a 28" barrel with a Carlson(?) Ported choke that adores Federal 3" 00- NOT flite control, and produces great patterns. It likes 1 buck as well.
Next to try is 4 buck in my 28 ga( for kicks) , 14 pellets fit in the wad with buffer.
000 is good out of the 410. With a plastic wad 3 peices of 000 stay tight quite a ways from a skeet choke. ( 410s are generally over choked!)
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Interestingly, I have a .410 for my jeep gun. I’ve keep a variety of shot sizes and a few slugs on hand. I’ve never tried 000 buck but do have some 00 buck.

I pretty much have everything from bunnies to birds to bears covered. Well small bears anyway.

The most dangerous thing I’ve ever faced while boondocking walked on two legs. I’m pretty sure a .410 slug is head and shoulders above a .22 lr out of my AR-7.
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jeepnik wrote:
Mon May 09, 2022 2:03 am
Interestingly, I have a .410 for my jeep gun. I’ve keep a variety of shot sizes and a few slugs on hand. I’ve never tried 000 buck but do have some 00 buck.

I pretty much have everything from bunnies to birds to bears covered. Well small bears anyway.

The most dangerous thing I’ve ever faced while boondocking walked on two legs. I’m pretty sure a .410 slug is head and shoulders above a .22 lr out of my AR-7.
I do have a 45 muzzleloaser. Smoothbore and it is very effective with 5x .36" ball, 000buck.
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000 Buck is a beast from a 12 gauge. I intend to eventually replace my pile of 00 with 000, if and when the US ammo marker stabilizes. A couple of the copshops I worked for issued #4 buck for awhile. OK on unobstructed shot on perps, not so great if they were in autos etc. Most of them went back to 00. Here's a pretty informative video on the effect of various shot sizes on ballistic gel-

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Did some research on this and quite a few "experts" recommended #1 buck for anti personal rounds. Better penetration of heavy clothing then #4, less penetration in houses and less risk down range then OO...

I could never get buckshot to pattern well in any of my guns, but a friend of mine has an old Browning that shoots OO like a laser...He's killed deer to what I consider NOT buckshot distances, and a lot of them....
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We used 4 buck on the farm for roving dogs in the sheep and I have to say it worked well inside of 50 yards. I remember one that looked like it was hit by full auto fire when I was burying it. I have considered it for coyotes and bought a Carlsens choke and am impressed with shot patterns at 50 yards.
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Good info on the Carlsen tubes, Ed. We've got a couple Mossberg 930s here, which are good beater gas shotguns. Their choke tubes run about a half-choke under what they are marked and patterning reflects that.
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