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Doc, I particularly liked the discussion about how baffling a 1911 can be to a bad guy unfamiliar with the platform, starting about 8 minutes in. In fairness, I must confess to be being baffled by pistols whose safeties work in the opposite direction and or decock the pistol. This just seems wrong.
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Weird. I watched that just last night!
I have carried a 1911 or Commander for most of my life. I've tried the Officers twice. It just isn't for me. At this stage of my life, I don't care if they come out with self guided ray guns, I ain't changin'.

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I carried a 1911 for years, professionally, in some pretty inhospitable environments and absolutely love the platform. I fluctuate between 1911s and wheelguns for edc
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I too carried a 1911 for years, on and off duty. It is still a great choice and I still carry one down on the Rio Bravo when I get down there. It saved my life in several really bad situations, but I think I would have done as well with a good sixgun under the circumstances.

I don't believe that there is a magic handgun, though the 1911 is a great balane between weight and power. It was the training I recieved from people like Cooper and Bruce Nelson that made the difference.

These days, I generally opt to carry an airweight J frame because I simply don't go places where I need more than that.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:58 am These days, I generally opt to carry an airweight J frame because I simply don't go places where I need more than that.
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I love carrying the 1911 for concealed carry in the cooler months. But it's very had to conceal in the warmer months when I'm dressed lighter. So for those months I carry my compact 9mm instead.
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I find the 1911 easy to conceal in most any type of weathers.
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I actually got disarmed once, long ago and the only thing that saved me was that the individual could not figure out how to work the gun. The guy was an absolute monster, he literally ripped my holster off my duty belt. Id never seen anything like it. He was, however, not tougher than a dose of pepper spray shot directly up his nose 😬
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wvfarrier wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:28 pm I actually got disarmed once, long ago and the only thing that saved me was that the individual could not figure out how to work the gun. The guy was an absolute monster, he literally ripped my holster off my duty belt. Id never seen anything like it. He was, however, not tougher than a dose of pepper spray shot directly up his nose 😬
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Bill in Oregon wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:54 am. . . In fairness, I must confess to be being baffled by pistols whose safeties work in the opposite direction and or decock the pistol. This just seems wrong.
One of the reasons I prefer the 'awful' Taurus 92 to the 'prestigious' Beretta 92 is those ridiculous push forward safeties..! The Taurus has a 1911-style safety.

JimT wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:59 am I find the 1911 easy to conceal in most any type of weathers.
Yep. Depends on how you dress ...as a pharmacy intern I worked nights in ghetto stores and I successfully concealed a 7-1/2" Ruger Super Blackhawk in a Bianchi X-15 shoulder rig for three years and never got caught. (...and CCW was 'illegal' then in Ohio so concealment was critical... :shock: ... of course I have always dressed like a slob with loose ill-fitting clothes, and figured if I sweat that's just too bad, so that helped... :D )
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I'm a 1911 guy, thru and thru. I bought my first CC in 1975, have carried it since both on and off duty. Both concealed and open. I have noticed in recent years, that my IWB holster is getting tighter & tighter... still trying to figure that out! LOL!
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I heard long time ago that if you had a good tool, build a shed over it. Well with my belly, if I have a 1911 on the belt near the front, I've got the good tool.
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I'm with OldWin, I've carried a lightweight Colt Commander for some years now.
I rotate it with an old Sig P228. A good quality holster and belt make all the difference in the world.


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That's just a beautiful Colt in a beautiful El Paso holster, JOG. Congratulations.
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I just bought a taylor's and company 1911A1fs with parkerized finish. . I haven't shot it , it feels tight and has a nice weight. I have been down sick. But, I have taken it down twice to familarize myself with the cleaning. The hardet part is making sure the pigtail on the barrel is down horizontal with the barrel to put slide lock through when you put it barrel together, being new , it sticks up a bit, but i put a punch through side and align pigtail up with frame hole and the lock slides right on in. I love where the safety is. just feels natural. My cz 75pcr has a decocker in the same place, so muscle memory should be better on both pistols. the only thing i don't like on my is the gi sights. has a very short front ramp and hard to see when aligning with rear sight. I might put a red dot on front or just paint it with sight paint.. anybody have any extra they want to get red of.or a front sight they recommend they recommend to work with the rear sight? the front sight is staked but rear is dovetailed
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Bill in Oregon wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:27 pm That's just a beautiful Colt in a beautiful El Paso holster, JOG. Congratulations.
Thank you, Bill!
It carries pretty comfortable.
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I have to admit that lately I've been carrying my .45 colt Blackhawk more and more. But I still carry a 1911 quite frequently. Usually it's a lefty Randall Service model. But when I want to get fancy I carry this one I inherited from an old "*** in the grass" Marine.
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rossim92 wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:38 pm...the only thing i don't like on my is the gi sights. has a very short front ramp and hard to see when aligning with rear sight...
I have two of the Taylor's Tactical 1911s. One I won at my first "Wild Bunch" match, and after getting it and shooting it, bought a matching one for a backup if the one goes down during a match. My 71 year old eyes no long love the original sights. I replaced them with these from Brownell's on both guns:

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A full size 1911 is my preferred "duty" gun (church safety team). I'm a throwback compared to all my peers carry souless striker-fired tupperwear guns... :wink:
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JOG wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:21 pm I'm with OldWin, I've carried a lightweight Colt Commander for some years now.
I rotate it with an old Sig P228. A good quality holster and belt make all the difference in the world.



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"...souless striker-fired tupperwear guns..." :lol:

Ahh....the SSFT guns.... :D

I just am a control-freak I guess....I want to SEE and CONTROL the hammer and its condition. I don't like something under even partial spring tension if I can't see and control it, at least not if that 'something' has the potential to launch a lethal projectile.

And yes I know it isn't rational if you look at the mechanics of a well-designed, well-maintained, properly-functioning striker-fired gun. BUT it seems too much like carrying a Mauser bolt action rifle chambered "but the safety is on"...it just doesn't seem right. THAT'S WHY I LIKE LEVERGUNS.....I can at least carry my Marlin 1894 chambered, with no spring tension on the hammer, yet quickly thumbable into action. It even has a hammer-blocking 'safety' (which I know is redundant...but so are all the various safeties on a 1911).
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AJMD429 wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:37 pm It even has a hammer-blocking 'safety' (which I know is redundant...but so are all the various safeties on a 1911).
I often carry a Star PD ... thumb safety only ...
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JimT wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:53 am
Scott Tschirhart wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:58 am These days, I generally opt to carry an airweight J frame because I simply don't go places where I need more than that.
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Jim, that Star PD is a sophisticated platform for concealed carry. I almost bought one decades ago, but declined after learning that its previous owner's wife had committed suicide with it.
Jay, you are on the money regarding the "soulless striker-fired Tupperware guns." At work I am currently carrying a Glock Model 48 with the 15-round Shield Armament magazines in a Kydex holster. It is very comfortable to wear all day, but that is all that can be said for it. Will replace it this coming week with the Tisas 1911 in Milt Sparks leather, assuming the former passes reliability tests.
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I too, carried a Star PD for a while back in the day.
Thanks for the reminder Jim! :D
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Griff wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:03 pm
rossim92 wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:38 pm...the only thing i don't like on my is the gi sights. has a very short front ramp and hard to see when aligning with rear sight...
I have two of the Taylor's Tactical 1911s. One I won at my first "Wild Bunch" match, and after getting it and shooting it, bought a matching one for a backup if the one goes down during a match. My 71 year old eyes no long love the original sights. I replaced them with these from Brownell's on both guns:

Retro Rear Sight

Plain Wide Front Sight

1911 Staking Tool is mighty handy.
thanks for info. the page link for front site does not pop up you by any chance remember the height and width of your front sight?
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rossim92 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:43 am
Griff wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:03 pm
rossim92 wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:38 pm...the only thing i don't like on my is the gi sights. has a very short front ramp and hard to see when aligning with rear sight...
I have two of the Taylor's Tactical 1911s. One I won at my first "Wild Bunch" match, and after getting it and shooting it, bought a matching one for a backup if the one goes down during a match. My 71 year old eyes no long love the original sights. I replaced them with these from Brownell's on both guns:

Retro Rear Sight

Plain Wide Front Sight

1911 Staking Tool is mighty handy.
thanks for info. the page link for front site does not pop up you by any chance remember the height and width of your front sight?
Corrected link: https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts ... 20637.aspx
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JimT wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:05 am
AJMD429 wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:37 pm It even has a hammer-blocking 'safety' (which I know is redundant...but so are all the various safeties on a 1911).
I often carry a Star PD ... thumb safety only ...

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I never would have guessed that there were a few others here. I have a friend that still carries one.
The issue I had with mine was the plastic recoil spring guide. The legs that rode under the barrel would snap off in about a box of shells. Didn't seem to effect function. The captured spring probably helped.
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OldWin wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:19 pm I never would have guessed that there were a few others here. I have a friend that still carries one.
The issue I had with mine was the plastic recoil spring guide. The legs that rode under the barrel would snap off in about a box of shells. Didn't seem to effect function. The captured spring probably helped.
Do you mean on the Star PD? I've not seen one with a plastic recoil spring guide. Mine is metal and the ones I've personally see - not a lot of them mind you - were metal also. I'm sure the plastic one could be replaced with a metal one.

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Yup.
The one my friend has is the same way. We ordered a new ones and got the same thing. After that we just didn't bother. I made sure there were no broken pieces to cause a malfunction, and ran it. When I sold mine, I gave my spare to my friend. That was about 25 years ago.
I always wondered why it wasn't metal.
Maybe ours were earlier versions and they changed it. We bought them used in the late 80s.
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Hey Doc, check out TFB TV and a guy named James Reed and the 1911 he would carry.
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Griff wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:37 pm
rossim92 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:43 am
Griff wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:03 pm
rossim92 wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:38 pm...the only thing i don't like on my is the gi sights. has a very short front ramp and hard to see when aligning with rear sight...
I have two of the Taylor's Tactical 1911s. One I won at my first "Wild Bunch" match, and after getting it and shooting it, bought a matching one for a backup if the one goes down during a match. My 71 year old eyes no long love the original sights. I replaced them with these from Brownell's on both guns:

Retro Rear Sight

Plain Wide Front Sight

1911 Staking Tool is mighty handy.
thanks for info. the page link for front site does not pop up you by any chance remember the height and width of your front sight?
Corrected link: https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts ... 20637.aspx
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The 1911 is and has been my CCW gun, most often carried for many many years. I prefer the Colt Lightweight Commander to any other models for CCW. Being a revolver guy first, I struggled with the idea of carrying cocked and locked for a long time, even though I had even before then, shot and competed with the 1911 in all sorts of combat matches, etc. But my 1911 at time was set up for match shooting and had a very light trigger. And I also carried it some in a horizontal shoulder holster back then, so I was a little squeamish about a cocked and locked for CCW for a while. I would often carry in condition 2 or even condition 3, and in all fairness, I was pretty good and fast with it in those types of carry. But I also recognized the downsides and pitfalls of that style of carry.

Later on, I acquired a few 1911's with stock triggers and even series 80 style guns. I left the triggers stock, with 4 to 5 lb triggers and eventually, learned to trust cocked and locked for CCW. Now days, and for many years, I have now carried a series 80 Lightweight Commander, cocked and locked in a Milt Sparks Summer Special or sometimes OWB MIlt Sparks holster in all kinds of weather under clothing as light as a thin shirt, and never looked back.
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JimT wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:28 pm
OldWin wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:19 pm I never would have guessed that there were a few others here. I have a friend that still carries one.
The issue I had with mine was the plastic recoil spring guide. The legs that rode under the barrel would snap off in about a box of shells. Didn't seem to effect function. The captured spring probably helped.
Do you mean on the Star PD? I've not seen one with a plastic recoil spring guide. Mine is metal and the ones I've personally see - not a lot of them mind you - were metal also. I'm sure the plastic one could be replaced with a metal one.


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my taylor's guide is steel. not sure if you can order from taylor's and company as a replacement my gun is the 70 series.
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JimT wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:59 am I find the 1911 easy to conceal in most any type of weathers.

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Im 6' and 180 but in fairly fit condition and Ive never had a problem concealing a 1911 BUT I dont carry a full size. I prefer a 4" barrel. For me personally, I find that trying to draw a 5" gun from a belt holster is awkward and requires too much shoulder and elbow movement. However the shorter barrel (1" doesnt seem like a lot but try it) allows for a cleaner and less visual draw stroke.
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My favorite carry 1911 and favorite holster. Hides just fine under a shirt.
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Re: 1911 for CCW

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I wish that the Colt lightweight Officers Model would have worked better.

I think Wilson has worked out the kinks in their version and the one I shot for several years worked flawlessly. However, I pinched myself often when reloading (grip frame is too short) and that was certainly a downside when shooting against a clock or other folks.

I think the Commander size is the best compromise and that's what I carry when I tote a 1911. A lightweight aluminum frame is the bees knees for the 9mm version, but I opt for the steel frame in the .45.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:07 am I wish that the Colt lightweight Officers Model would have worked better.

I think Wilson has worked out the kinks in their version and the one I shot for several years worked flawlessly. However, I pinched myself often when reloading (grip frame is too short) and that was certainly a downside when shooting against a clock or other folks.

I think the Commander size is the best compromise and that's what I carry when I tote a 1911. A lightweight aluminum frame is the bees knees for the 9mm version, but I opt for the steel frame in the .45.
I agree.
I tried twice to carry the Officers. First about 25 years ago with a Colt that had been worked over by a retired Colt custom shop guy. It was beautiful and shot well, but the mags DO pinch. I swapped it for the Colt LW Commander in the above pic. It has been a fantastic pistol.
Then, about 10 years ago, I bought a Springfield loaded Micro Compact. It shot ok, but being a LW, was difficult to control when compared to the full frame. I also never quite trusted it, and consequently, didn't carry it much.
My full size Springfield in the picture I have done some work on. I've had it 20 years or so and it has been a loyal friend. Incredibly reliable and an excellent shooter. The Commander in the holster is a cheap ATI steel frame that I use for a woods pistol. Only change it took to make it sing was a Wilson extractor and good springs.

And yes!
I would love to try a LW Commander in 9mm. :D
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I've tried two Colt officers models in the past 20 years. Just too small for me.
Then to the Colt Commander steel frame. It was fairly easy to carry.
Then I got my hands on a new Colt lightweight Commander!
That was it for me. I still rotate with my Sig P228 also.
I would like a Colt Commander in 9mm one day.
If I had to choose, it would be the Colt commander.
Although I'm more accurate with the Sig!
That will most likely change with use.
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The Wilsom EDC X9s are fantastic carry guns
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:16 am My favorite carry 1911 and favorite holster. Hides just fine under a shirt.
As I mentioned, I don't wear a shirt in warm weather. I wear a T shirt, and my 1911 handguns are just big enough a T shirt wont hide the shape, and if someone can see the shape of a handgun there's going to be trouble. So I carry a compact 9mm that is easy to conceal, even when I wear a T shirt.
In cooler weather when I'm wearing more clothing my 1911's are always my first choice.
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rossim92 wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:38 pm I just bought a taylor's and company 1911A1fs with parkerized finish. . I haven't shot it , it feels tight and has a nice weight. I have been down sick. But, I have taken it down twice to familarize myself with the cleaning. The hardet part is making sure the pigtail on the barrel is down horizontal with the barrel to put slide lock through when you put it barrel together, being new , it sticks up a bit, but i put a punch through side and align pigtail up with frame hole and the lock slides right on in. I love where the safety is. just feels natural. My cz 75pcr has a decocker in the same place, so muscle memory should be better on both pistols. the only thing i don't like on my is the gi sights. has a very short front ramp and hard to see when aligning with rear sight. I might put a red dot on front or just paint it with sight paint.. anybody have any extra they want to get red of.or a front sight they recommend they recommend to work with the rear sight? the front sight is staked but rear is dovetailed
took my taylor's to the range for break-in shoot. gun performed flawlessly. I was hitting target dead center but about four inches to the left at 25 feet. ( that is good for me) I always shoot left and high . just need a slight rear sight adjustment. the gun came with a bad mag, bought a used mag from the range that was somebody's that worked there ( they didn't have any new mags in stock that would fit my gun). that worked perfectly ( not sure of brand name, no name on the mag). for some reason the factory mag was flared at the top and you can see where it was rubbing inside the mag well. it would not go all the way inside without hanging up i had to push mag back out with my thumb from inside the slide . where I got home the mag follower had popped out from the top of the mag. looked like to me somebody had tried to load mag wrong, like they were pushing ammo in from the top like you do ar mags instead of loading in from the side, and flared the mag. I contacted warranty with taylor's and company, they responded and said they were sending me a new mag. I had to fill out a warranty form and submit a picture of mag. :D
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