Replacing a Winchester 94 barrel

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Replacing a Winchester 94 barrel

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I've recently rebuilding a 1920s era winchester 94, and I would like to replace the barrel on it as the one I had got for it is in really rough shape, with a pretty pitted/worn rifling, messy chamber, etc. Is there any options other than just trying to find a cast off barrel?
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Re: Replacing a Winchester 94 barrel

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Check with Regan Nonneman. He could probably advise you on where to look
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Are you against the idea of having it rebored to a 38/55,32 special or even a 35-30?
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Reboring/relining might be an option.
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JES Reboring.... if you go that route. Stand up guy and quick turnaround.

It costs $250 plus shipping to him. He pays shipping back to you.
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Re: Replacing a Winchester 94 barrel

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Carbine barrels are out there pretty common, relining a 94 is a no go . Relining is really only meant for pistol type low pressure or black powder rounds.
Carbine cannot be relined any way because liner od is larger than barrel od.

Green mountain makes tapered carbine and rifle style barrels but require all the machine work to complete.
There is a company IIRC Winchester Barrels that make complete repro barrels ready to install .Even have original type markings . $350 and up .

But if you consider ,chamber reamer,blank cost,labor even if you could do it yourself its not cheap.

I've got a 1892 SRC 44 that I need to mame, GM blank is $125 , reamer is $125 .Right out of the gate I have $275 counting shipping in a barrel I have to put lots of labor into to finish.

Reboring is $350 average cost and there is a chance the barrel will be destroyed during operation.

https://www.winchesterbarrels.com/
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The OP said the barrel was bad, so the slim chance it gets ruined in the reboring process seems like an acceptable risk.
Reboring to .38-54, .32 WS, or .35-30 would only cost $250 plus one-way shipping, as stated above. It would preserve the original look of the rifle (except for the new chamber marking)
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Re: Replacing a Winchester 94 barrel

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What if it is already a 38? His only option would be a rebarrel.
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Re: Replacing a Winchester 94 barrel

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I'm not too hot on the idea of reboring it, I really like the 30-30. If I was to do this though 32 would be my choice, but if it would cause structural issues than it's a no go for me. I don't plan to do a whole lot of range toy use, I want to make this more of a short range hunting rifle. Plus, I'm in CA so cast lead sadly would only be for range usage. Which stinks because I love a gold hard cast lead load.

I do have access, for the next year and a half to a lathe and a school of instructors, along with a big discount on Shilen barrels, so contouring a blank and making one from a new barrel is an option as well.

My brass as is now comes out with what looks like acne on the case neck after being fired.
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Re: Replacing a Winchester 94 barrel

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wvfarrier wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:20 am
Check with Regan Nonneman. He could probably advise you on where to look
Would you have a good way to get ahold of him?
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Re: Replacing a Winchester 94 barrel

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Pat C wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:34 am
Carbine barrels are out there pretty common, relining a 94 is a no go . Relining is really only meant for pistol type low pressure or black powder rounds.
Carbine cannot be relined any way because liner od is larger than barrel od.

Green mountain makes tapered carbine and rifle style barrels but require all the machine work to complete.
There is a company IIRC Winchester Barrels that make complete repro barrels ready to install .Even have original type markings . $350 and up .

But if you consider ,chamber reamer,blank cost,labor even if you could do it yourself its not cheap.

I've got a 1892 SRC 44 that I need to mame, GM blank is $125 , reamer is $125 .Right out of the gate I have $275 counting shipping in a barrel I have to put lots of labor into to finish.

Reboring is $350 average cost and there is a chance the barrel will be destroyed during operation.

https://www.winchesterbarrels.com/
Yeah I've been finding a lot of ramp sight carbine barrels, I've been thinking about just using one of those. Would be a lot cheaper/easier.

I might be looking in the wrong spot, but I can't find any 30-30 barrels on Green Mountains website. The winchesterbarrels.com option is one I'm considering, even though a 94 30-30 barrel for a carbine starts at 22" and at 425 dollars.
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Honestly if you have a rifle configuration the rebore is the best and most economical way to go. JES has a very good national reputation. You rifle would look the same except having a shiny new bore and a new chambering marking of course. If you have a carbine a replacement will work. Changing a rifle to carbine or vice versa requires new forestocks, barrel bands etc. you could check eBay for take off barrels. I have found all kinds of gun parts there.

If you have to hunt with leadless bullet, that’s a huge limitation with the likes of a 38-55. If it were me I would rebore to 38-55. You can always pick up a 30-30 to hunt with later.
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JordanWilliams wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:55 pm
wvfarrier wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:20 am
Check with Regan Nonneman. He could probably advise you on where to look
Would you have a good way to get ahold of him?
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Re: Replacing a Winchester 94 barrel

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44shooter wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:25 pm
Honestly if you have a rifle configuration the rebore is the best and most economical way to go. JES has a very good national reputation. You rifle would look the same except having a shiny new bore and a new chambering marking of course. If you have a carbine a replacement will work. Changing a rifle to carbine or vice versa requires new forestocks, barrel bands etc. you could check eBay for take off barrels. I have found all kinds of gun parts there.

If you have to hunt with leadless bullet, that’s a huge limitation with the likes of a 38-55. If it were me I would rebore to 38-55. You can always pick up a 30-30 to hunt with later.
I have a 20" carbine, 1926 receiver and rest is parts I put together. I would like to find a really nice minty pre 1930s barrel with the pinned front sight, but all of those I have seen are in absolute stuff condition, just like mine lol.
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JimT wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:28 pm
JordanWilliams wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:55 pm
wvfarrier wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:20 am
Check with Regan Nonneman. He could probably advise you on where to look
Would you have a good way to get ahold of him?
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I'll drop him a line, thanks!
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There is one on eBay that has what sounds like a lot better bore than yours and is proper late style nickel steel SRC barrel with post. It does have a few tool marks on outside. $125 with shipping start bid two days left.
Might be an option.

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Pat C wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:00 pm
There is one on eBay that has what sounds like a lot better bore than yours and is proper late style nickel steel SRC barrel with post. It does have a few tool marks on outside. $125 with shipping start bid two days left.
Might be an option.

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I did see that one, do you think the effed up chamber threads will be much of an issue?
When I get some more free cash I'm just going to buy one from winchesterbarrels.com, I spoke to the guy on the phone today and it sounds like 415 shipped would get me a brand new barrel.
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Buying a quick replacement barrel isnt too much of a cash expenditure for me, I have one droopy pre 30s barrel, the one on my gun right now (which honestly for casual plinking I wouldn't be concerned about using, I'm just paranoid about using it for something that actually matters) and between the two I'm sure I could eek out 150 or so.

Maybe an SBR build (lol) with the drooping barrel. Jk
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Probably not be an issue other than appearance , easy to run thread file over start of shank. Something else I would also consider is to buy a high quality pre 64 ramp style barrel . The SRC post front sight can be made from the ramp.As the ramp is part of the barrel forging on earlier barrels. Recut the barrel band notch and fill the old one with solder and little touch up blue and you have an original WRA barrel with a better steel and excellent bore.
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Here is anouther 1953 30WCF barrel ,already cut to 16 1/4 to remove ramp . You can silver solder post type front sight and shorten mag tube and make a nice trapper for $70 buy it now. Excellent bore and finish.

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Pat C wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:28 pm
Probably not be an issue other than appearance , easy to run thread file over start of shank. Something else I would also consider is to buy a high quality pre 64 ramp style barrel . The SRC post front sight can be made from the ramp.As the ramp is part of the barrel forging on earlier barrels. Recut the barrel band notch and fill the old one with solder and little touch up blue and you have an original WRA barrel with a better steel and excellent bore.
Would a post 64 barrel fit in the receiver? Whichever barrel I buy now will only be used for the rest of the current bear season, until I pick up winchesterbarrels.com barrel.
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If it were me and I just wanted a temporary shooter ,I would grab that $70. 16 1/4" GB barrel .Make and add the post sight ,get a repo mag tube for trapper and build a correct looking trapper carbine. Keep your full length tube for the replacement barrel later.
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Pat C wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:08 pm
If it were me and I just wanted a temporary shooter ,I would grab that $70. 16 1/4" GB barrel .Make and add the post sight ,get a repo mag tube for trapper and build a correct looking trapper carbine. Keep your full length tube for the replacement barrel later.
I'm new to 94 terminology, GB barrel?
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Pat C wrote:
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Shoulda guessed that one lol. I do like the idea of a short 94, maybe even make up a shortened magazine tube for it for accuracy purposes.
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I also had someone offer me a basically mint post 64 20" barrel, will this fit alright into my pre war receiver? I can't imagine the receiver to barrel mating would hVe changed a whole lot but I dont know enough.
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Winchester Lever Action Repeating Firearms, Vol. 3, The Models of 1894 and 1895 https://www.amazon.com/dp/188239111X/re ... DVHNVX00ZA

This will answer a lot of your questions. A good investment for any 94 accumulator.
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Re: Replacing a Winchester 94 barrel

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vancelw wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:12 pm
Winchester Lever Action Repeating Firearms, Vol. 3, The Models of 1894 and 1895 https://www.amazon.com/dp/188239111X/re ... DVHNVX00ZA

This will answer a lot of your questions. A good investment for any 94 accumulator.
I'll consider that book, its not as expensive as I thought it would be.
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Yes, the early and later top eject barrel threads match up fine.

I had a small post type early carbine sight made for a late pre-64 carbine, I never really cared for the ramp front sights. I moved the front band up where it should be on an early type and got a proper looking long wood forend. Very happy with the result. Shouldnt present any real problems to do similar to a older receiver gun, just that the barrel markings are a little different. Gun returned to the factory for rebarreling ended up having markings from a different period, its just what they had available, so they used them.
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Malamute wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:55 pm
Yes, the early and later top eject barrel threads match up fine.

I had a small post type early carbine sight made for a late pre-64 carbine, I never really cared for the ramp front sights. I moved the front band up where it should be on an early type and got a proper looking long wood forend. Very happy with the result. Shouldnt present any real problems to do similar to a older receiver gun, just that the barrel markings are a little different. Gun returned to the factory for rebarreling ended up having markings from a different period, its just what they had available, so they used them.
My thoughts exactly, the OP could by the $70 gunbroker barrel which has already been cut to 16 1/4" .Perfect for a trapper carbine easy enough to do as you did by making post and proper mag tube placement.
Trapper is perfect for bear hunting.
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