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Browning 1886 SRC

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Colleagues: I have a Browning 1886 Saddle Ring Carbine, 45-70.

Anyone know what weight bullet Browning regulated the sights for? The local range SWAG (Scientific Wild Arsed Guesses) are the 405 and "I dunno."
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I have one of those and got tired of eyeballing the elevation for the 405 grain cast bullets I shoot, but I love the carbine, so I installed a tang peep sight from Montana Vintage Arms https://montanavintagearms.com/product/ ... mbo-sight/ The sight is of excellent quality and I can adjust it for both 405 grain cast bullets as well as 500 grain cast bullets.
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Mine was moderately close with 400 gr @ whatever factory level velocity was, but I put a Lyman 56 receiver sight on it as soon as I was able.

They have a pinned front sight blade, so it would be relatively simple to make a new one and zero it for whatever load one wanted to use.
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Gents: thanks for your comments. Only bullets I now have are Berry's copper plated lead, 350 grain. So just might be worthwhile to give them a try.

Thought about either a tang or a receiver sight, but I just don't want to drill and tap. Would like to keep it "as is." Again, thanks.
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I use a 300 grain, gas checked, cast bullet over AA5744 in my Browning 86 SRC and I have the Lyman receiver sight dialed in for it. Also the barrel has been shortened by 3 inches to make the whole thing the same length as a 94 SRC. Super n handy that way. It wears an old leather sling too.
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Not a Browning, but a Miroku/Winchester 1886 TD .45-90 WCF with 26 inch full octagon barrel. This the 45-90 86er used in Africa testing a variety of bullets on tough game.
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Does your sight fit like this? IN order to get the sight to fit properly so that it will lock in the down position and out of the way when using the barrel sight, 86er removed wood from the forward tip of the comb and refinished the wood. Just right now where I can use it or the folding barrel sight:
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Both sights are Marbles. From experience (mine and 86er) I can say that the tang is helpful for a fine bead on a small object (such as a leopard) or distant object but the barrel sight is great on bison and cape buffalo.
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PS Ray, my 1886 .45-90 (.458 2.4) shoots bullets from 300 grains to 450 grains very well. In fact much of the game I have shot in the USA was with factory Winchester 300 grain Nosler PP. The same bullet loaded up a bit in 45-90 case to 2200 fps also terminated this big male leopard to end its goat-eating days.
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Ray Newman wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:37 pm

Thought about either a tang or a receiver sight, but I just don't want to drill and tap. Would like to keep it "as is." Again, thanks.
I had a Browning 86 rifle before the carbines came out. I was hesitant to drill it for a sling or receiver sight. Dragging it around in the hills one day I managed to drop it on a loose rocky slope, it cartwheeled nicely a time or two before sliding to a stop downslope. Scratched it up nicely, and it wouldnt have happened with a sling. Screw it. Its getting drilled for sling mounts,...may as well put good sights on it.....the user friendly ratio went up significantly. I LIKED it more. I shot some heavy 500 gr loads (500@1750fps), the crescent was never a favorite of mine, but its murder with heavy loads, pulled the stock off and sent it to a guy to chop the crescent off and put a flat red Winchester pad on it. Finally its nice to shoot. Dang those things are long dragging through the thick brush up in grizzly country, I think Ill chop 4" off the barrel,....Yes, an 1886 22" short rifle, very nice now.

Not too long after that the carbines came out. I came into one. I ditched the sling (saddle) ring, set about drilling and tapping it for a Lyman 56 sight, sling mounts, and later had the barrel cut to 20". I regret exactly none of it, all modifications enhanced my use and enjoyment of the gun, and I dont plan to sell it, so i dont care about any perceived monetary loss. I want my guns to work for me and with me, not leave me wishing it was different. Very few of my guns last long in 100% original factory condition.
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Ray...I have a bunch of those Remington 405s that will never get used. Do you want a dozen or two for trying out?
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Blaine: thanks. I'll try the Berry 350 grain bullets first, then take you up on your offer -- if I need to. Again thanks.

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Malamute

my browning seemed to like 460 cast performance, but it's a closet gun and doesn't get out much and have never chrono'd the load.

i don't use a sling in bear country because i don't my wife getting a telegram telling her that her husband was eaten because his gun was lashed to his back. :lol: My solution to the dropped gun issue is to tightly tape the muzzle with electrical tape. It is also an aid in finding the front sight because of the contrast between the tape and the stainless barrel.

my guide gun is one of the best shooting guns i have, and i have often thought i could improve it as a skiff gun by cutting the barrel to 16.25. BUT the crazy thing shoots so well that I am skeerd it might be indelibly damaged. It sure would be much handier for the boat and the guard timber. so, i look at it, think about it, and put it back by the stove till next time.
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Grizz wrote:
Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:31 pm
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my browning seemed to like 460 cast performance, but it's a closet gun and doesn't get out much and have never chrono'd the load.

i don't use a sling in bear country because i don't my wife getting a telegram telling her that her husband was eaten because his gun was lashed to his back. :lol: My solution to the dropped gun issue is to tightly tape the muzzle with electrical tape. It is also an aid in finding the front sight because of the contrast between the tape and the stainless barrel.

my guide gun is one of the best shooting guns i have, and i have often thought i could improve it as a skiff gun by cutting the barrel to 16.25. BUT the crazy thing shoots so well that I am skeerd it might be indelibly damaged. It sure would be much handier for the boat and the guard timber. so, i look at it, think about it, and put it back by the stove till next time.
I always carry in hand,..except when in places I need both hands to negotiate loose rocky slopes, climb rocks, lift the dog over a ledge, or do something that otherwise requires two hands, like answering the call of nature. Sometimes in thick stuff I take the sling off, but its mostly there ready to hang the gun over my shoulder muzzle down if I need both hands.

Tape on the muzzle is OK for some things, but doesnt help the barrel and other parts from getting scratched and beat of when dropped in loose rocks and such.
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Blaine,
The .458 405 grain bullets that you sold me are now being loaded and shot in this Beretta 45-70 DR and they are accurate AND they regulate at 1600 fps into a two inch group.
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Good enough for hunting now, but I may tinker with other loads too.

Thanks for the bullets.
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