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As usual, Colion makes a good point.

https://youtu.be/RGxM1j63YHY

There are times that it's unavoidable that a half dozen or so firearms maybe accompanying me. Fortunately I've usually been able to be discreet, but I wouldn't want to be in the wrong place with a politically-incorrect amount of armament.

Fortunately, my temperament and budget usually mean I'll be staying in a less high class facility with much less likelihood of it having a high class view of a high-risk place.
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I wonder if we could somehow compile a list of gun-friendly places to stay?

I know if you are near Raton, New Mexico, The Whittington Center has no problem with visitors bringing in guns! And they have some nice facilities. Prices are not bad. Competitor Housing is $60 a night. Quad-style ... bedroom for sleeping. Shared kitchen and bathrooms. Nice large room for visiting. A/C and Internet. Nice cabins are also available. Some have shared kitchen and living room. Worth considering.
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When I'm traveling I do a bit of research on state gun laws that could affect me. In strict no-gun states, my firearm(s) are stashed according to federal law -- unloaded, cased, locked away -- but at the end of the day my concealed carry piece is concealed and carried to my motel room. In states that have reciprocal agreements with my state I'll look up such things as whether or not I should notify police who may stop me. If there's a way I can legally carry in a state I try to make certain that I am following it. Does this policy expose me to some added risk? Probably, but my main self-defense weapon is and has always been between my ears. I try to maintain awareness, and will skedaddle in a skinny minute from any situation that might turn dicey.
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Good idea Jim.

I generally only carry a pistol with me when I travel out of state and I don't remember at any time since 1982 that anyone has asked me about having a gun on my person except for a DPS rookie near Fort Davis, Texas who stopped me on the Harley. His Field Training Officer used the occasion to help this young officer understand that not everyone who is packing is an enemy of law enforcement.

I've only been nervous about it in California and Washington DC (and ironically I was probably more likely to need it there).

Jeff Quinn and I were in a casino drinking coffee in Deadwood South Dakota in 2012 (we rode up for the Sturgis Rally). Of course we were packing but the casino was unlikely to care unless we got showy. Jeff was wearing a Gunblast t-shirt and a lady who was playing slot machines came over to ask us about the shirt.

Jeff explained about Gunblast and the lady promptly pulled out her pistol and handed it to Jeff. She asked him what he thought about it. I don't even remember what kind of gun it was but I did think about all the cameras that must have been picking this up. Jeff handed the gun back to her and told her something nice about it and we finished our coffee and got out pretty quick after that.
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Pisgah wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:06 pm When I'm traveling I do a bit of research on state gun laws that could affect me. In strict no-gun states, my firearm(s) are stashed according to federal law -- unloaded, cased, locked away -- but at the end of the day my concealed carry piece is concealed and carried to my motel room. In states that have reciprocal agreements with my state I'll look up such things as whether or not I should notify police who may stop me. If there's a way I can legally carry in a state I try to make certain that I am following it. Does this policy expose me to some added risk? Probably, but my main self-defense weapon is and has always been between my ears. I try to maintain awareness, and will skedaddle in a skinny minute from any situation that might turn dicey.
Im heading to Wyoming soon, crossing several states. What web resource do you trust for this information?
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Whether I agree/like the laws of a state I make sure to abide by them. It’s not hard to determine what the laws are well in advance.

Traveling by vehicle is fairly simple. By air you add the complication of federal laws and airline rules. Again federal laws are easy enough to determine and airline regs are simple to determine with a phone call.

Interestingly, train travel is more restrictive than airline. Go figure. But again a phone call answers all your questions.
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I'm still trying to figure out what charges they would have used to arrest them. "Insufficient ammunition for number of firearms"?
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Why is it that the states with very strict firearm law have such high crime rates murder's and assaults' City's like Chicago, Washington DC, Detroit, New York, Philadelphia.
The criminal feel impowered knowing that the odds of getting shot are slim to none. All 50 state's should allow all none criminals to carry through out the entire country.
Maine has a good amount of the citizens that carry concealed. It's probably not needed since the crime rate is so low! It's better to have a Colt 1911 on my hip just incase it's needed! We have Constitutional Carry up here as it should be everywhere! No permit required to carry a firearm.
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JOG wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:39 pm Why is it that the states with very strict firearm law have such high crime rates murder's and assaults' City's like Chicago, Washington DC, Detroit, New York, Philadelphia.
The criminal feel impowered knowing that the odds of getting shot are slim to none. All 50 state's should allow all none criminals to carry through out the entire country.
Maine has a good amount of the citizens that carry concealed. It's probably not needed since the crime rate is so low! It's better to have a Colt 1911 on my hip just incase it's needed! We have Constitutional Carry up here as it should be everywhere! No permit required to carry a firearm.
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Yes. Texas is a little late, but we are joining the other Constitutional Carry States very soon. Kansas and Oklahoma are also gun owner friendly. Kansas is Constitutional Carry, and they honor Concealed Carry permits from a bunch of other States.

Only ONE Officer ever questioned my right to have a Concealed Handgun License. One Deputy of the Dallas Sherriff's Department, who had been there under the old corrupt administration that Lupe Valdez cleaned up, threatened to take me in on a traffic stop. I didn't move over fast enough to let his drug dealer buddy pass, so he gave me a ticket for going 55 in a 55 zone. The Caddy that passed me was doing at least 80. That Deputy said he could shoot me and get away with it. Lupe Valdez forced him to retire when the complaints started pouring in after she changed the system and coverup stopped.

I cannot think of any other issue due to carrying.
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>Im heading to Wyoming soon, crossing several states. What web resource do you trust for this information?>


I trust the individual State's website, generally that of the Attorney General or State Police. The private sites are better organized and simpler to use but I use them only as a rough guide and evaluate them compared to what is actually often copies of the relevant State statutes themselves.
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Though Texas will have Constitutional Carry in September, I will not give up my carry permit.

I travel enough that it is convenient when other states recognize and respect my permit. And it keeps me from having to go through a new background check every time I purchase a firearm.

BUT the most important thing is that I want to keep the numbers of permits so high that our Legislature won't try to take them away.
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For over twenty years before I moved to Wyoming, I would drive there from California to hunt elk. I usually took two rifles as did my brother. The trip was 900 miles. We usually stayed in Las Vegas or Provo for a night and always took our rifles into the hotel room. Leaving them in a vehicle in the parking lot would be foolish, especially in Vegas.
After the Las Vegas shooting, I didn't dare roll a rifle case through the hotel lobby in Las Vegas!.
Then I solved the problem by moving to Wyoming!!!
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:34 am Though Texas will have Constitutional Carry in September, I will not give up my carry permit.

I travel enough that it is convenient when other states recognize and respect my permit. And it keeps me from having to go through a new background check every time I purchase a firearm.

BUT the most important thing is that I want to keep the numbers of permits so high that our Legislature won't try to take them away.
Just curious...will you be able to renew it when the time comes?
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Blaine wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:34 pm Just curious...will you be able to renew it when the time comes?
Yes. This did not affect the LTC here. I will keep it because with it you do not have to do the NICS check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer. Just show them your LTC.
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there are states that don't reciprocate my WA permission slip. there is a class of vehicle carry laws that deal with travelers passing through a state. one or two allow carry of a loaded pistol in the car as long as it is in plain sight! so it rides on the seat or dash board. one allows the pistol to be out of sight in a console. i forget which ones. i make up a cheat sheet when i start a new road trip. but if i have to go thru any part of california, i scrupulously adhere to the federal suggestions.
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I’ve gone to three shoots so far this year where I brought atleast a dozen shotguns each time . The first shoot in NC was over five days and I could back my truck right up to my room door and unload . The second in PA we stayed in a hotel in Vestal NY and were forced to load gun cases on a baggage cart go they the lobby and on the elevator to our rooms . This past weekend in PA we were able to leave a truck at the gun club and four of us left our guns in the truck so no need to drag in and out the rooms . Without a doubt leaving a truck at the club with the guns locked inside was best and dragging thru the lobby was the worst . I’m going to a five day shoot in SC in October I have a feeling that will be baggage cart thru the lobby as well .
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I think for the hotels and multiple firearms I would use a large trunk or suitcase dedicated to that task. Definitely not any kind of 'gun case'...! :o
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AJMD429 wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:33 pm I think for the hotels and multiple firearms I would use a large trunk or suitcase dedicated to that task. Definitely not any kind of 'gun case'...! :o
Pick up a trunk with a dozen guns inside when several are over ten pounds each and get back to me . All of mine are in leg o mutton cases . Lady in Vestal asked me if they were pool ques and I replied sure a whole bunch of them . I’d like to get six aluminum Americase cases made for pairs but they no longer make cases for guns .
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Americase is just about 6 miles South of my Home. I didn't know they were not making gun cases anymore.
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piller wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:25 am Americase is just about 6 miles South of my Home. I didn't know they were not making gun cases anymore.
Check their webpage they had on their that they’re making cares for electronics or some such BS . They made IMHO THE BEST gun case bar none .
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Last time I rolled a cart full of guns across a lobby it was bird season in W Texas. The clerk was an older gal who says "Y'all do any good?"
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I shared a table with Masaad Ayoob when we were both speakers at a Second Amendment Foundation meeting in late September 2001. He said "try looking like me, having a name like mine, and explaining to a nervous airline clerk why you have 15-20 handguns in your luggage. They are too freaked out to process the fact that those handguns in the baggage compartment cannot actually DO anything unless I have an army of hijackers somehow hidden in the baggage compartment, or ready to saw holes in the fuselage to get there....but then....where are the saws...?" :roll:

That meeting was where I learned that the FAA had made it illegal for pilots to have handguns just a couple weeks prior to 9-11; prior to that it was still legal. That info was from a representative of APSA speaking at the conference, and seemed corroborated by several other pilots. Creepy.
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That meeting was where I learned that the FAA had made it illegal for pilots to have handguns just a couple weeks prior to 9-11; prior to that it was still legal. That info was from a representative of APSA speaking at the conference, and seemed corroborated by several other pilots. Creepy.
I vividly remember my Dad declaring that no one was going to hijack 'his' airplane after the first or second one made the news.

I have his flight case with a holster hand sown into it. No one was going to hijack his airplane!

I'm suspect that NO ONE knew about that pistol.
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Let's see, I just traveled from TX to IN to attend a shoot... in the cargo trailer with my two gun carts (one push, on motorized), were two 1873s, an 1860, an 1874 Sharps, a Browning 1886, a Winchester 94, 4 SAA Colts, 3 1851s, a derringer, 2 TNN side-x-sides and 2 Stoeger side-x-sides, 2 Winchester 1897s, 2 1911s, plus one EDC 1911... if I add correctly that's 23 guns for one solitary competitor for 8 days of competition! Not counting the 500 round balls, 500 caps, 500 wads, for the 1851s, a full ammo can of 45 Colt, another full of 45ACP, a third of C45S, 300 rounds of 12ga in BP, another 100 of smokeless 12 ga and then there were the lighweights, only 50 rounds each for the 45-70, .30-30 & .40-90SBN! I was a little extra cautious to be "cool-on-my-stool" while driving across IL... and still felt like I escaped a foreign country! No, I didn't contribute to their economy either... no gas, no eats, not a penny was left behind in IL!

Then there was the last time I returned home from VN... a Winchester 94 in 44Mag, a Winchester 64A, and 3 1911s! We flew from the AF Base in Manila, landed in Tokyo, then Anchorage, finally into the Oakland Air Force base where we went thru customs! Me and the Customs' Agent were the last two from the building after filling out all the paperwork, both for the AF and the 4473s! He never even asked about the 3 Nikon cameras I had with me... (although they'd all been purchased at military exchanges). I then flew down to John Wayne Airport on PSA, where they just wanted to make sure the guns were unloaded and no ammo accompanied them.

But... than again, all my guns have been lost in a boating accident... :P
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