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After a few weeks up north breathing freely and enjoying the freedom of being in the Heartland again, it's back to Coffee Country and the more restrictive in many ways society here. Purchasing a firearm in Coffee Country is a drawn out and expensive proposition. With one glaring exception. I'm still not sure how this works out, but for now the area of powder burning "traumatic pistols" is one that is almost unregulated by the state. The exception to regulation is that the must be brought in by a recognized importer and distributor. I've been putting off such acquisition for some time now, for many reasons. Nor will I go into specifics as to why I decided to park my objections and obtain a non-firearm firearm here in the heart of Coffee Country. Suffice it to say that the opportunity presented itself and the acquisition was completed.

Now, you may very well be asking "What's a traumatic pistol?" The truth of the matter is - information in English is difficult to find. Information in Spanish is mostly from here in Coffee Country and it makes my head hurt trying to listen to the ignoramuses who blather on about what they've no real clue about, from a technical, practical or legal perspective. But such is life. There are a number of brands of "traumatic pistols" and other launchers of "less lethal" lightweight projectiles via the rapid burning of chemical combinations. In the US I've seen some similar items, mostly using CO2 as a propellant. There's Cyrillic u-toob videos out there as well. Most (if not all) that's available down here is sourced from Turkey, including both major brands (here) of ammunition. Rubber Ball and Ozkursan are the two brands of ammo I've been able to locate so far. The difference being that Rubber Ball is higher power, Ozkursan tends to yield better accuracy (sound familiar?)

So the item acquired is a Blow brand TR92K which locally is touted as a copy of the nationally (here) produced Cordoba 9mm pistol. I've never handled one of those so can't speak as to the similitudes, but I seriously doubt a Turkish manufacturer is going to build a less lethal clone of a little known pistol. Some think it's a copy of the Beretta M9/92 pistol as issued by the US miliary, but it's definitely not. Basically it appears to be a generic polymer lower, metallic slide double/single action full sized pistol in 9mm Traumatic Rubber Projectile caliber.
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The magazine is a double column unit holding 15 rounds of 9X22 mm rubber projectile ammunition.
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The TR 92 K designates the "comp" cuts on the slide. I'd rather have the solid slide so as to minimize the entrance of crud in the slide/barrel area, but this is what was available and at a very decent price for here.
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Ever seen a threaded barrel before? Yep, internal threads - for fitting of a flare launching device for which we can not (as far as I can determine) purchase flares. Nor is the device present in the case. It can also be used with blanks to launch NERF type rubber balls at an apparently healthy (unhealthy?) velocity.
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And here's the ammo box. They claim "non-lethal", because "less likely to cause lethal results" is too long to fit on the box. I've seen what this stuff does to boards and other fairly tough targets. Improperly used it could most definitely cause the demise of the recipient of a shot.
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And this is what the ammo looks like. There's a roll crimp holding the rubber ball in place. I've not yet weighed one of the projectiles, but that is one of my goals, along with chronograph testing for grins and giggles and obtaining a power factor. It's light enough that it loses velocity quickly, but would be unpleasant to receive on one's person even out to 40-50 yards I"m sure.


And here's a close up of the projectile and the headstamp. I'll be picking up some of the Ozkursan ammo also as it's reputed to give much better accuracy.
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You may have noticed above that the barrel is fairly narrow bored. I believe the projectiles are pretty darn close to 9mm in diameter. Upon firing, the projectile is crammed into the reduced diameter barrel. This reduces temporarily the diameter of the projectile and raises the chamber pressure. This forces the slide backwards to eject the shell and catch the next round to chamber it, or to lock back the slide if it's an empty magazine. Firing a regular 9mm Parabellum in this (assuming it could be made to chamber) would cause destruction of the device and possible injuries to the shooter/bystanders.

The fellow to whom I'm obliged for cutting me the deal has in his possession a similar pistol but by another maker. It has been tearing the projectiles in two, resulting in two holes on the target. Upon examining it, the barrel shows a lot of corrosion. My guess is that the ammunition is corrosive and the barrel was not cleaned after firing. This results in a rough bore and causes damage to the projectile, but that's just a WAG at this point. Anyway, for what it's worth - here's every Nanny Stater's worse nightmare. A relatively unregulated means of launching projectiles for grins and giggles.
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We'll definitely take precautions with this example re: corrosion.

As to the shot being glued on, don't know how being forced through such a drastic funnel would effect such a thing. I've also thought about what would happen if one were to use it as a kind of sabot - and insert a projectile of some sort in there. But again - it gets smushed down VERY tightly. Haven't checked actual barrel diameter, but if it's like one I tried to run a cleaning rod through a while back, it's pretty close to that diameter - the diameter of a compact pistol cleaning rod kit rod. Not enough room for a patch, IIRC. We'll see. It's just come to live here and we're just getting acquainted.
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It is amazing the contortions that legislators put gun owners through, and the end results are pretty unpredictable.
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Thanks, Ray!
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The guy on the u-tuba channel Survival Russia talks about using it. His was a Makarov type .45 cal rubber ball gun. Said he could kill grouse with it. Yours looks like a Walther 9mm that was introduced about 4-5 years ago.
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I'd love to have one of the Russian pistols. Wish I could find a 1911 or other all steel (or potmetal as the case may be) version. But we're stuck with Turkish so far and they are what they are. A friend told me of a new place in town that has quite a selection so may drop down there to satisfy some curiosity one of these days.
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https://images.app.goo.gl/YczjmRf3NyMhVueb8

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Looks more like the H&K VP 9 than the Walther.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0hwEOCe5oWU, Heres the Survival Russia video. He doesn't even take it out of the holster. Its at the end of video.
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Well, Ray, you beat me to it. :D

So I'll toss a little something in here for any who may be mildly interested in the subject matter.

Once you shoot the thing, you've got to clean it. I suspect (but have not confirmed) that the ammo is mildly corrosive. So a thorough break down and clean is desireable.

As always - remove the magazine, clear the chamber. Then you start with the take down lever/pin. Rotate it a 1/4 turn clockwise so it's pointing straight down.

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Like so.
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Now you wiggle it as you lift - not an easy proposition as there's not much to grip. They are quite tight from the factory and take a bit of finger strength to remove.

As it comes free the recoil spring guide seat moves back. Note how it looks and the nub on the end of the take down pin. That will be used to reassemble later on.

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You now can pull the slide back and then lift up. It takes both hands to do so which explains why that step's not recorded photographically. Then you let the slide move forward to the end of the spring's movement. At that point it will look like the next picture and you can then lift the rear of the slide up further and move it forward to lift it away from the lower assembly.
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You can now remove the spring, spring guide, and spring guide seat and have completed the field stripping of the pistol.

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I used good old brake cleaner to remove residue from the barrel, slide and other parts, being careful to not get it on the polymer parts. A wad of patch material was pushed through the barrel from breech to muzzle, encountering the difficulty of an abrupt step between the chamber and the bore. That must be quite tough on the rubber projectiles when fired. I know it's a royal pain to clean out as the barrel is firmly attached to the lower so it can't be easily removed for cleaning. Once I got it clean it was lubricated in appropriate places with my usual ATF/Lanolin lube/anticorrosion blend and reassembled.

To reassemble you place the nub of the takedown pin in the gap left behind the spring guide seat.
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At this point the take down pin will be centered in the frame hole with the lever pointing down towards the trigger guard.. Press down on the pin as you turn it counter clockwise a 1/4 turn and it will cam the spring guide seat out of the way and allow the pin to slide into place.

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And there you have it.

Some will, of course, question the sanity of anyone who would purchase such an implement. What good is it, after all, if you can't blow a cape buffalo in two with it? You can't count on a one shot stop either and you can't reach out and touch something two counties over! Count your blessings that you live in a place where obtaining regular firearms is fairly simple and relatively inexpensive. There are many parts of the world where this is not the case, yet folks still want to learn to shoot. A friend of mine has this exact model and so far has fired over 5,000 rounds through it with out a bobble. He's used it to teach his wife and kids and many other people the basics of firearms safety and marksmanship. Personally I look at it as another tool in the box for teaching new shooters. Yes, I'd rather have a good rimfire pistol to do the same with, but availability here is spotty at best and cost well beyond what I can afford. And if you think it's hard obtaining ammunition up there right now, imagine the situation here where much of what they use is obtained up north there. In the meantime the Turks keep churning out the ammo for these implements and one can get (relatively) inexpensive ammo from various sources.

OK. Back to work. Y'all have a great day!
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After some searching , the website of a Russian mfg mentions energy of 50 to 70 Joules , which roughly corresponds to 35 to 50 ft lb .
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biggfoot44 wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:36 pm After some searching , the website of a Russian mfg mentions energy of 50 to 70 Joules , which roughly corresponds to 35 to 50 ft lb .
Stand by for an upcoming update to the thread. :D It'll be a few days, but fun times ahead.
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