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That last red bike looks a lot like the one I ride. I'm going to look for some sort of low mounted rack that I can put an ammo can in. I think I'll take it to Gunsite this year to help me get around during the GAS match. My knees will sure appreciate it.
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I found a luggage rack and old mirror, waiting for paint to dry. :)
Sounds like a good way to get around at a show. 8)
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I’m thinking about something like this:
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More babbling about the bike,got the luggage rack on waiting on the pull back handle bars then should look old fashion.
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Cool Beans figured out a way to mount the rear spoon brake. :)

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Pitchy wrote:
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Cool Beans figured out a way to mount the rear spoon brake. :)

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Thanks, the green one is a Johnny Cash bike made from parts like in his car song :lol:
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Pitchy wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:13 pm
Thanks, the green one is a Johnny Cash bike made from parts like in his car song :lol:
was that the guy who got a Cadillac out in his lunch pail a piece at a time?

the bike is looking great. you have a good eye for all the stuff you do
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Grizz wrote:
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Thanks, the green one is a Johnny Cash bike made from parts like in his car song :lol:
was that the guy who got a Cadillac out in his lunch pail a piece at a time?

the bike is looking great. you have a good eye for all the stuff you do
Yep that`s the song , can`t remember the name.
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Fantastic post and pictures!
Really enjoyed it!
Great workmanship! :D
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TWHBC wrote:
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Fantastic post and pictures!
Really enjoyed it!
Great workmanship! :D
Thanks glad ya enjoyed them. 8) :)
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Taught me about an old type of brake. That shoe one which pushes on the tire is not one I knew of.
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Taught me about an old type of brake. That shoe one which pushes on the tire is not one I knew of.
Thanks Brian, if ya do a search on those big wheel bicycles most had a spoon brake but many very early bikes did as well.
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One piece at a time is the song i was talking about. :)

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Ultra cool looking bikes, they sure would attract a lot of interest around town.... 8) 8) 8)
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Thanks John, i`m eying a old three speed wheel for the back of the green bike the gears are in the hub.
To dern hot to do anything today so will check it out tomorrow. :)
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Thanks John, i`m eying a old three speed wheel for the back of the green bike the gears are in the hub.
To dern hot to do anything today so will check it out tomorrow. :)
My uncle had one of those when I was a kid, never got to see the inner workings. Shucks, I don't recall the details other than "it was a cool speed bike!". My dad had the first five speed with derailleur in our town on the Belém-Brasilia highway. It also had very narrow tires that made it a pain to ride in sand or other soft terrain. But on a good hard surface he could pedal up the hills in style. What I wouldn't have given back then for one of today's mountain bike type modes of transportation! What we DID have available and Dad got for us one Christmas was the good old Monark with the circle bar and rod/link brakes. They used some kind of pot metal (or so it seemed) which didn't allow you to adjust the brakes with any certainty that they'd hold. I still remember the time they went out at the top of a hill and I managed to ride it out clear to the bottom in spite of the ruts, rocks and other obstructions along the path. Here's one that's not quite as fancily tricked out as some of the guys had theirs back in the day, but it gives you a rough idea.
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I'm looking forward to your adventures with the 3 speed hub. :D
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That`s a cool bike Paul thanks for sharing. 8)
I have a complete John Deere three speed and parts for another, i hope.
Need to find the shifter lever for the handle bar and cable then if the tire off the green bike fits it should work out.
My Trek cruiser is nice with a internal 7 speed hub, bought it new bunch of years ago.
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Pitchy, do you ever come across rod and lever type brake systems? I'm curious if they ever were used by a manufacturer other than Brazil's Monark. The principle is solid, but the materials they used left a lot to be desired. Also, they depended on a perfectly aligned rim as that's where the brake pads rubbed. Their big downfall as far as I was concerned was the inability to tighten the screws in a meaningful way. Too much torque and the screw would strip out. Anything less and the rod would work loose. I think the gray in my beard started back before I ever could grow one, just from the entertainment of losing braking power at speed.

I'd never heard of anything more than a 3 speed internal hub. Now I've got to go and do a Duck Duck Go search...
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You're a bad influence, Pitchy. Now there's something I didn't know I needed until I stumbled across it digging into your mention of an internal 7 speed hub. Here's one - with coaster brake? For some reason I thought these were used with a caliper brake or something similar.

https://www.amazon.com/SHIMANO-SG-7C18- ... B002NQSQKA
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Paul i`ve never had any experience with the brake system you mentioned sorry but i think i`ve seen pictures of them.
My seven speed uses the same hub as you put a link too, my bike is a Trek Clyde it was a spendy bike at the time i bought it around 500 bucks. It`s really smooth shifting and you can shift to any gear from a stand still, it has a girder front end and balloon tires and light wait frame and spring seat.
Here it is with a side car we were building.
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Here`s the JD three speed bike, all there but grubby.

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The extra three speed parts, not sure i can adapt them to another bike or not will try later.

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Well, Pitchy, you've really got me cogitating. I'd forgotten that detail of fading coaster brakes on steep hills... don't know as I'd be happy with that style of braking system with our mountainous terrain. I'm going to start looking around for a frame to start a build on. Our Barrio's big enough and quiet enough I could get some good exercise in around here with a decent bike. My main sticker is I don't think they've got internal gear hubs down here. Now to start digging around. I see Shimano makes them also with a disk brake system option, and of course the caliper style braking does OK if you start with decent components. Don't know as I'd want to try the spoon brake system on our terrain, but am intrigued by what you're sharing. Again, thanks for getting the cogitater cogitating.
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That one looks a lot like what I remember my uncle's old 3 speed looking like.
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AmBraCol wrote:
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You're a bad influence, Pitchy. Now there's something I didn't know I needed until I stumbled across it digging into your mention of an internal 7 speed hub. Here's one - with coaster brake? For some reason I thought these were used with a caliper brake or something similar.

https://www.amazon.com/SHIMANO-SG-7C18- ... B002NQSQKA
Paul, here's the description on that hub:

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Shimano Nexus SG-7R50 7-Speed Roller Brake Internally Geared HubsRecommended gear ratio: 2.0-2.2 to 1Not intended for off-road use as standing on the pedals, riding up steep hills or using an too low of a gear ratio may damage the pawls inside the hubIncludes 19t and 21t cog, 3 size chainstay clamps, 3 sets of non-turn washers, hub nuts and cassette joint130mm over locknut dimension, 182mm axle lengthNexus 7-speed hub gear range: 1st gear = 0.632, 2nd gear = 0.741, 3rd gear = 0.843, 4th gear = 0.989, 5th gear = 1.145, 6th gear = 1.335, 7th gear = 1.545Non-turn washers for vertical dropouts not included (HU7793, HU7794)Shifter and brake not includedItem Specifications 87 L 87 LBearing TypeLoose BallColorSilverHub Center to Flange (mm)21.85 RHub Center to Flange (mm)29.55 LHub/Brake CompatibilityRoller BrakeCassette Body Type7Defined ColorSilverSkewer IncludedNoSpoke InterfaceJ-BendRear Axle3/8" Threaded x 130mmWeight1592Hub Drilling36Flange Diameter87 R
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Paul i know i wouldn`t want a spoon brake system in hill country i`d probably want a disc brake setup.
I have a mountain bike that has disc brake on the front but i`m into the old look now, look forward to seeing what you come up with please post about it.
The pull back handle bars are coming today i`m going to put on the last red bike will post a picture later. :)
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Just put on the pull back bars looks good i think it`s done. :)

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love the tubing design on that one!
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Thanks Grizz, i`m not sure what make it is maybe a early Huffy. :)
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Grizz wrote:
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You're a bad influence, Pitchy. Now there's something I didn't know I needed until I stumbled across it digging into your mention of an internal 7 speed hub. Here's one - with coaster brake? For some reason I thought these were used with a caliper brake or something similar.

https://www.amazon.com/SHIMANO-SG-7C18- ... B002NQSQKA
Paul, here's the description on that hub:

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Shimano Nexus SG-7R50 7-Speed Roller Brake Internally Geared HubsRecommended gear ratio: 2.0-2.2 to 1Not intended for off-road use as standing on the pedals, riding up steep hills or using an too low of a gear ratio may damage the pawls inside the hubIncludes 19t and 21t cog, 3 size chainstay clamps, 3 sets of non-turn washers, hub nuts and cassette joint130mm over locknut dimension, 182mm axle lengthNexus 7-speed hub gear range: 1st gear = 0.632, 2nd gear = 0.741, 3rd gear = 0.843, 4th gear = 0.989, 5th gear = 1.145, 6th gear = 1.335, 7th gear = 1.545Non-turn washers for vertical dropouts not included (HU7793, HU7794)Shifter and brake not includedItem Specifications 87 L 87 LBearing TypeLoose BallColorSilverHub Center to Flange (mm)21.85 RHub Center to Flange (mm)29.55 LHub/Brake CompatibilityRoller BrakeCassette Body Type7Defined ColorSilverSkewer IncludedNoSpoke InterfaceJ-BendRear Axle3/8" Threaded x 130mmWeight1592Hub Drilling36Flange Diameter87 R
Thanks for that, Grizz. I'd not paid attention to the description other than the product name. It makes me wonder of any of the internal gear hubs would be steep country compatible or not. There may be a good reason they're not seen around here. Colombia is big on biking (vast understatement), but they tend to be more oriented to the latest and greatest - which tends to be typical derailleur style hubs and gears. It's kind of like looking for a 32 squirrel rifle where everyone wants a 58 caliber buffalo rifle.
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Pitchy wrote:
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Paul i know i wouldn`t want a spoon brake system in hill country i`d probably want a disc brake setup.
I have a mountain bike that has disc brake on the front but i`m into the old look now, look forward to seeing what you come up with please post about it.
The pull back handle bars are coming today i`m going to put on the last red bike will post a picture later. :)
Wow, Pitchy! Those bars really set that bike off for sure. Sweet looking rig!

I need to drift over to the next town over where they make frames to fit. Don't know what all they might be up to making, it's been YEARS since I've been in there. We'll see what develops.
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Grizz wrote:
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those look Good. In H.S. i had a 10 speed schwin. my daily rider.

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thanks for that. been a long time since i've played with one.
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Thanks fellers, i`m not going to build another 3 speed i need tires and don`t want to put more money in them they get 20 bucks a dern tire.
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Ya can spend lots of time on this site.

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Made a Hobby Horse today, no one can ride it at this time maybe at a later date. :)

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Wonderful Pitchy. is that some kind of cavalry saddle? reminds me of the 2x4 Harley, did you see that?
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Thanks Grizz, i think i did see the Harley one.
Took the saddle off it`s too high for either one of us to get on it, i see they had narrow low seats on them too. :)
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That's one to just look at Lenn. Love the McClellan saddle.
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That's one to just look at Lenn. Love the McClellan saddle.
Thanks Ron that old saddle has been around here for many years, bet they were hard on the the old buttocks. :lol:
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Lenn, that red bike came out perfect. Keep up the excellent work! 8)
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Thanks Bill, it`s about as old a person can get in bicycles.
I took the saddle off and going to put a piece of thick carpet on it. :)
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Pitchy, this one's been niggling at my brain since you posted it. What's the purpose of the upright between the saddle and the handlebars? I understand it's a sit on it an kick your way along, but that upright T post has me flummoxed.


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Thanks Paul, ya rest your arms on it or you can lean against it with your chest which helps stabilizes it. :)
Here`s a vid showing that, some didn`t have a brace and some had a weird wobbly steering.

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Lenn, that's a great Youtube. Always fun to see these antique technologies kept alive.
I briefly owned a "penny farthing" but was having such horrible back issues at the time that I never fully got up in the saddle.

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Now that`s cool Bill to bad ya didn`t get a chance to ride it, those things are spendy now days but i`m sure i couldn`t get up on one either.
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Got the other one done. :)

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Beauties ! I bet kids could have a lot of fun with those. I think it would cross my pain threshold to try 'em. . .
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Those are indeed fascinating vehicles from another time. Thanks for sharing them with us.
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Thanks guys i can`t get on one either to much pain Grizz but was another reincarnation of something from the past. :)
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