First Time Shooting in Eight Months!!!!!

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First Time Shooting in Eight Months!!!!!

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I finally got a chance to hit the range today after a long eight months. I tried making a video but failed miserably.

My last shot prior was back in October 2020 when I was shooting at 200 yards. Before a shooter can go to the 250 yard range, they have to shoot three shots inside the black diamond at 50 yards. So rather than reset the scope, I wanted to just make an educated guess on where to aim in order to achieve the three shots. Well, I estimated 2" POA below the target sheet and center. Turned out to be 11" POA below the bullseye. I then just placed the black target where I had been making hits from that POA. Close enough!!!!! Now I can go back to the 250 yard range and continue where I left off eight months ago without resetting the scope!!!

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Loaded on an RCBS Inline Green Machine

Small telescope mounted to an iphone and talking through a headset...worked pretty good but wasn't an easy set-up.

Interestingly enough the first two shots after eight months were spot on!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueD4JTk5KGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueD4JTk5KGU
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Good shooting, not rusty at all after 8 months..... :)
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You didn't get rusty at all. Thanks for sharing.
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Glad you could get out again...!

Fun when the sight-in goes that well.
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I know I got some splain'n to do!

Deer target shows hits from 150 and 200 yards with the 44-40. It took me 33 shots to figure out how to place the 18 shots on target. When I can sort out the video footage from three iphones and a gopro, I'll try to list the shots in order...but the iphone target video is not good. I hope to be able to confirm when I get a chance to go over the gopro footage.

First the 200 yard shots.
It took me 6 shots to figure out that the scope had been corrected for the 200 POA 8 months ago. Once I figured that out (I was aiming too high) , 7 shots hit inside 8.5" x 11" and one off paper but still inside the kill zone.

For the 150 Yard Hits
This is where it gets complicated. For 50 yard groups, I have to aim at the 50 yard correction noted on the large target, approximately 9.5" below the desired bullseye . However, for 150 yard hits, I should correct another 2.5" lower which would be 11.5" below the desired bullseye. For the target hits noted, I was aiming at the 50 yard POA which resulted in the hits grouping about 2.5" high. Even though, 18 hits were still achieved.

33 Shots fired
The first 6 or 7 shots were high and off paper while shooting for 200 yards. I could not see where they were hitting then I finally noticed to high hits. An additional 6 to 7 were misses high but on paper due to improper POA for the 150 yard shots.
Once the correct POA was established for both the 200 and 150 yards, 99% of the hits were kill shots.

Now that the correct POA has been established...the next objective is to shoot one shot each at 200 yards and 150 yards and see where the hits place!!!!

Gotta love these old calibers!!!
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Sure looks like every shot would have brought home the meat. Does the RL7 burn cleanly ?
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3leggedturtle wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:07 pm Sure looks like every shot would have brought home the meat. Does the RL7 burn cleanly ?
No, RL7 leaves unburned grains in the barrel. Mostly seems to be why folks don't like it.

I have two gopro videos I am trying to get loaded in my computer. Gopro wont let me download thier desktop app, so I am looking for alternatives.
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You are doing some good shooting there. If I had to go 8 months without shooting I would go insane! I assume from the number that your bullet mould is from Accurate? I too use Reloder 7 (25 gr.) in my 44-40's with Accurate mold #433205C.

I am a bit puzzled as to why you did not want to adjust your scope for the shorter distance? Especially since your scope's external mounts make adjustment so easy. It's far easier to hit when the rifle is sighted for point of aim and you don't have to guess. Despite that, you did a great job figuring it out.

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Shasta wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:36 pm You are doing some good shooting there. If I had to go 8 months without shooting I would go insane! I assume from the number that your bullet mould is from Accurate? I too use Reloder 7 (25 gr.) in my 44-40's with Accurate mold #433205C.

I am a bit puzzled as to why you did not want to adjust your scope for the shorter distance? Especially since your scope's external mounts make adjustment so easy. It's far easier to hit when the rifle is sighted for point of aim and you don't have to guess. Despite that, you did a great job figuring it out.

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Hey Shasta!!!

I went to the range again today but this time I was able to shoot at the 250 yard range. I have my scope set for POA at 200 yards and did not want to change it. To explain, one must "qualify" at the 50 yard range in order to shoot at the 250 yard range. However, one must requalify every three months regardless of how often you shoot there. Since the scope is rather a pain to adjust I decided to "guess" at the POA for 50 yards. It worked and I was able to go back to the 200 yard without readjusting.

Back to todays shots.

It started out rocky because I was not sure if the scope was indeed set for 200 yards or maybe 175. Come to find out after about 6 or 7 shots, it was indeed set to POA at 200 yards.

For kicks, I set up the target at 150 yards. I then had to shoot below the 50 POA in order to actually hit the bullseye area.

Conclusion,

250 yards = not used
200 yards = POA
150 yards = POA 11.5" low (mid range trajectory?)
100 yards = not used
50 yards = POA 9.5" low

33 shots minus 10 or 11 for distance
19 of 23 shots on target
17 shots in the kill zone

Now I am ready for some finesse shots.
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Love that Malcolm on that rifle! You'll plug a deer for sure like that!
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I finally got the gopro footage downloaded and reviewed. It wasn't as bad as I thought it was.

33 shots fired, 28 hit paper, 17 hit inside the 8.5 x 11 notebook paper and 19 should have put meat on the table...IF I aim right for that first shot!!

15 shots fired at 200 yard target. First 6 shots are "complete misses". Once I got the POA straightened out, shots 2, 3, 4, 5,7, 9 and 10 hit the 8.5 x 11 notebook paper target, with shot 6 just off paper for a 9" Group. Including shot 8 outside low left, it would be a 12" Group. All but shot 8 should have made it in the kill zone at 200 yards. Although "shot 1" is noted, it was not included in the "hits" because it was still included in the first "misses" shots while trying to find POA.
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The 150 yard target is similar, once the POA target was established, shots 17, 18, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27 and 28 hit the 8.5 x 11 notebook paper.
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Youtube video 200 and 150 yards. A bit crude but it was fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtWuk2bgdBo
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Made a new video from today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzhW6nDLhkw
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Nice, you are convincing me to go with a 44wcf. I have plenty of RL7 powder too. Todd/3leg
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Bryan,

Nice looking 1873 rifle and scope setup. Are you still loading all your 44/40 cartridges on your Green Machine? From the videos it looks like that setup does a good job of 'reaching out there', also.

Keep having fun.
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The hardest part for me would be ranging the deer accurately.
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3leggedturtle wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:52 am Nice, you are convincing me to go with a 44wcf. I have plenty of RL7 powder too. Todd/3leg
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black river smith wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:56 pm Bryan,

Nice looking 1873 rifle and scope setup. Are you still loading all your 44/40 cartridges on your Green Machine? From the videos it looks like that setup does a good job of 'reaching out there', also.

Keep having fun.
Not recently. Recently I have been loading "one cartridge at a time" (20 to 30) to try and get those measurements all fairly close for these longer shots. Between casting my own bullets and assembling the cartridges and my poor marksmanship, I need all the help I can get!!!
I prefer to use the GM to load plinking loads.

AJMD429 wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:29 pm .

The hardest part for me would be ranging the deer accurately.
It is not easy and is why I set the POA to 200 yards. I would rather have the POA aimed at the small target, and use elevation adjustments on larger CLOSER targets to better see. I keep my cheat sheets close by. I made the "Range Target" the other day and will keep updating it with corrected POA marks. The same range target can be used over and over by placing the smaller over-lay target on it, leaving all of the POA marks visible.

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Here is what the POA's should look like on a life size deer.

200 Yards - center POA (99% of hits should be above and in a 6" group at POA)
100 Yards - POA is at the feet!!!
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250 Yards POA - above head
225 Yards POA - Head
200 Yards POA - center chest
100 Yards POA - low gut on average 5' 8" man.
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Bryan Austin wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:05 am
3leggedturtle wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:52 am Nice, you are convincing me to go with a 44wcf. I have plenty of RL7 powder too. Todd/3leg
:mrgreen:
Meant to say, convincing me to get a 44wcf over a 38wcf. Passed on a really nice 24" 38 m92 and been regretting it ever since.
30/30 Winchester: Not accurate enough fer varmints, barely adequate for small deer; BUT In a 10" to 14" barrelled pistol; is good for moose/elk to 200 yards; ground squirrels to 300 metres

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3leggedturtle wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:41 am
Bryan Austin wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:05 am
3leggedturtle wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:52 am Nice, you are convincing me to go with a 44wcf. I have plenty of RL7 powder too. Todd/3leg
:mrgreen:
Meant to say, convincing me to get a 44wcf over a 38wcf. Passed on a really nice 24" 38 m92 and been regretting it ever since.
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1950, July 15th - Ballistics of Western-Winchester Cartridges dated July 15th, 1950. K-Code: K4412C (Winchester), K1372C (Western). Some loads still used Sharpshooter powder till 1960.

RIFLE VELOCITY:
1,320fps, @ "muzzle"
1,160fps @ 100 yards,
1,050fps @ 200 yards,
990 fps @ 300 yards.

Energy:
774 ft lbs
650 ft lbs
435 ft lbs
344 ft lbs


Mid-Range Trajectory: 2.9"/13.0"/32.5"

REVOLVER VELOCITY: 973fps @ 423 ft lbs

In other words, impact energy was the same at 200 yards for the rifle as it is at the muzzle for the revolver

That folks, is your "lethality" comparison!

Today's 1,190fps velocities from a rifle have are a bit different results. However, in my 20" testing barrel...I only achieved a 20 shot avg. of 1,025 fps (slightly slower than the 44 Henry ballistics). Since the 92' carbine is typically a 20" barrel, one can see the diminishing velocities one can experience and is one reason the 44-40 is prematurely called a 50 to 100 yard "(insert other word here) cartridge" rather than a "rifle cartridge".

My 1,350fps handloads from a 26" rifle barrel could possibly still be right at 1,000fpm at 300 yards....or slower...while Winchester Super-X hunting loads could be as slow as 725fps @ 300 yards.

Another thing to remember is that the old timers reported that a 700fps 200gr 44-40 lead bullet would fully penetrate the broadside of a horse (no bullet expansion at that slow of a velocity) and exit the other side.
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This is just a lot of fun!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMjwJMXwje0
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