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Picked up a few Perfection heaters and restoring them, great heaters for a cabin or garage.

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Also put a light bulb in one.

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I remember having one like that as a kid. During the war my dad bought it for the Anderson Air Raid Shelter we had in the back garden, I can only remember the shelter when it was removed a few years after the war. The heater was used indoors only during spells of really cold weather. I think I can remember having a kettle on top too.
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I had to look them up. Very clever item.
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While living off post in ROK I used kerosene heat all the time. I didn't trust those ondal charcoal floor heaters (CO).
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PITCHY STOP IT ! Your killing me. Those are great units but every one i find is made of gold or rusted beyond use. I just started playing with the little beer can and Trangia alcohol stoves.
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Pitchy,

I have two patterned like the one in your second picture. They belonged to my grandparents and then my father. While they are the same general shape there are slight variations between them. I repainted them with high temp paint in original color patterns and have them down in my basement. Both do work, plus I have one replacement wick.

I do prize these two as 'remembrance items'.
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Thanks guys, yep rust is a killer the fuel tanks get hit the worst a little solder and tank sealer is what i`m doing.
I`m going to use a couple of these in the shop to take the chill off.
Yep Ebay is terrible on the price, we picked up these four at the junk place for 25 bucks each, ya can buy new wicks on Ebay.
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I re-did the electric one, made a wood round disc that sits lower where the tank sat so now the lower part lights up too.

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Nice! I've always liked those. I have one in my gun room I got from a neighbor at a lawn sale. It was 20 years ago at least. Got it for 5 bucks.
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Could you beef up the wiring and use a 500 watt IR bulb? It would actually heat the room. :idea:
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Thanks Jay and Blaine, guessing something like that would work Blaine.
These stoves were rated at 10,000 btu`s and would cook things pretty good i`ve read.
Good site about these stoves.

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Pitchy wrote:
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Thanks Jay and Blaine, guessing something like that would work Blaine.
These stoves were rated at 10,000 btu`s and would cook things pretty good i`ve read.
Good site about these stoves.

http://www.milesstair.com/Site_Index_fo ... ction.html
I forget which brand, but there's an expensive space heater out there that uses IR bulbs to heat the room like that.
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Blaine wrote:
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Pitchy wrote:
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Thanks Jay and Blaine, guessing something like that would work Blaine.
These stoves were rated at 10,000 btu`s and would cook things pretty good i`ve read.
Good site about these stoves.

http://www.milesstair.com/Site_Index_fo ... ction.html
I forget which brand, but there's an expensive space heater out there that uses IR bulbs to heat the room like that.
Thanks but i don`t plan on heating with that stove it`s just for looks, my battle is with repairing fuel tanks at the moment. :)
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Metal fuel tanks do tend to rust. I am guessing that those heaters just had tanks that were never considered to need to last 100 years or more. If anyone would have known, I would bet that someone would have made a bunch of replacements. Too bad. Their Grandchildren could have made money.
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piller wrote:
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Metal fuel tanks do tend to rust. I am guessing that those heaters just had tanks that were never considered to need to last 100 years or more. If anyone would have known, I would bet that someone would have made a bunch of replacements. Too bad. Their Grandchildren could have made money.
Yep i can`t believe someone hasn`t made a repo tank wish they would of.
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Totally cool AND useful!! 8)

Here's a VERY helpful site for all things kerosene heater and oil lamp related:

http://www.milesstair.com/

Here in Maine, people throw out perfectly good kerosene heaters all the time.
I have 6 right now, I think - 4 came from the dump for free. They just needed cleaning, fresh fuel,
and sometimes a new wick. Sometimes I find them for sale for short money =$25 or so.

It's important to empty the tanks - the kerosene tends to attract water and this settles to the bottom
and rusts out the tank. Water will also render the wick inoperable unless it's thoroughly dried out.

They're not hard to work on, and work great for heat when the power goes out, or extra heat
when it's REALLY cold.

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Good points Stretch i imagine most tanks rusted out from sitting with fuel in them. :)
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those are really nice heaters. i think kero cook stoves are made from brass so they last a long time.

there is some kind of liner that people put in mc tanks but i don't know what it is
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Grizz wrote:
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those are really nice heaters. i think kero cook stoves are made from brass so they last a long time.

there is some kind of liner that people put in mc tanks but i don't know what it is
I`m experimenting with some of those tank liners, have some new stuff this week that ya paint on the outside that`s supposed to work good.
The tanks are less rusty on the outside called exo-coat.
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thanks i'll check that out
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Got some new wicks today so have some heaters in working order, the one in the picture has a solid tank and a observation window so will use it the most.
The exo-coat is thick so paints on real nice without running so hoping for good results with that.

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good tip on the exo-coat, i'll look for it. hope you have a working CO detector ! :)
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Looks nice. Like Grizz pointed out, a good Carbon Monoxide detector would be a good idea.
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Thanks guys, today i made a observation window. :)

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Pitchy,
What material did you use for the window? The original material was a pressed mylar, I think. One of mine has a torn window, I would not mind replacing it and the other is very cloudy.
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black river smith wrote:
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Pitchy,
What material did you use for the window? The original material was a pressed mylar, I think. One of mine has a torn window, I would not mind replacing it and the other is very cloudy.
The other perfection heater with a window i pictured has screen in it so that`s what i used in this one.
Many stoves used Mica in the windows which ya can buy on line or at a hardware store. :)
Also what i like about screen is ya can see the flame clearly as to how it`s burning.
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Lenn, very cool stuff. 8)
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Thanks Bill, in the 90`s up here the next few days also. :o
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black river smith wrote:
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Pitchy,
What material did you use for the window? The original material was a pressed mylar, I think. One of mine has a torn window, I would not mind replacing it and the other is very cloudy.
We always called it isinglass on the old Moore Stoves, which is a type of mica (or IS mica)
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Yes Mica, thanks for the correct answer.
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black river smith wrote:
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Yes Mica, thanks for the correct answer.
Every Perfection heater i`ve seen has screen in the window, other stoves such as parlor stoves ect... and sad iron stoves use Mica. :)
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Pitchy,

So, I went and checked them. Both are Perfections. One has a triangular plate that is stamped 525 and it has a screen. The other has a fancy scrolled plate that is stamped 130-C and it definitely has a mica window. I was thinking the screen was just a replacement, so that is why I stated the interest in a replacement, guess I was wrong.

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Your welcome but i could be wrong i`m sure there`s models i haven`t seen.
Well i did it now just bought the perfection model 740 with the glass center whole middle section will post pics when it arrives next week. :)
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OK I don't understand something...how can these burn kerosene and NOT cause CO to build up????
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OK I don't understand something...how can these burn kerosene and NOT cause CO to build up????
Maybe they do, it`s recommended to crack a window while in use.
It`s a good idea to read the manufactures recommendations and warnings before using any kind of stove in a enclosed space. :)
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OK I don't understand something...how can these burn kerosene and NOT cause CO to build up????
Properly cleaned, and adjusted, wick trimmed (clear blue flame, no smoke) the danger is minimal.
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Sure can`t wait to get the model 740 which have a enamel finish and are rare, if ya do a search on the 750 or 735 they look the same. :)
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Blaine wrote:
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OK I don't understand something...how can these burn kerosene and NOT cause CO to build up????
Properly cleaned, and adjusted, wick trimmed (clear blue flame, no smoke) the danger is minimal.
True Dat, however, an operational CO detective is mandatory on my motorboats, in my cars, and at the house. Otherwise you won't know what hit ya.

when i was running my sailboat down the Columbia the CO alarm in the cabin sounded. the outboard is in a well in the lazarette, it has underwater exhaust, and those bubbles were surfacing a boat length aft in the wake.

somehow the passage of the boat was drawing CO into the cabin. if someone had been asleep in there, i would have had a corpse for a crew.
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Grizz wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:03 pm
Blaine wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:12 pm
coyote nose wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:43 pm
OK I don't understand something...how can these burn kerosene and NOT cause CO to build up????
Properly cleaned, and adjusted, wick trimmed (clear blue flame, no smoke) the danger is minimal.
True Dat, however, an operational CO detective is mandatory on my motorboats, in my cars, and at the house. Otherwise you won't know what hit ya.

when i was running my sailboat down the Columbia the CO alarm in the cabin sounded. the outboard is in a well in the lazarette, it has underwater exhaust, and those bubbles were surfacing a boat length aft in the wake.

somehow the passage of the boat was drawing CO into the cabin. if someone had been asleep in there, i would have had a corpse for a crew.
Only one small fly in the ointment....under 40 degrees CO alarms are very untrustworthy and given to beeping, and otherwise undesirable performance. I know from personal experience. Best to properly vent rather than rely on an unreliable piece of machine. Also, don't sleep on the floor as CO is heavier than air.
While I'm on a roll....the dumbest thing ever is the combination Smoke/CO alarm. Smoke goes to the ceiling, and the CO stays on the floor....And everybody installs them up high on the wall, or the ceiling.
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Crack a window, make sure the wick is in good shape, and you'll be fine. I've used
kerosene heaters for over 30 years with no ill effects. A dose of common sense goes
a long way.......

People use millions of these all over the globe. You can also light and extinguish them
outside, which virtually eliminates any smell on startup or shutdown indoors. If the thing stinks
while it's running normally, something is wrong.

CO detectors, IMHO, are not needed for these heaters.

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Blaine wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:09 pm
Grizz wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:03 pm
Blaine wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:12 pm
coyote nose wrote:
Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:43 pm
OK I don't understand something...how can these burn kerosene and NOT cause CO to build up????
Properly cleaned, and adjusted, wick trimmed (clear blue flame, no smoke) the danger is minimal.
True Dat, however, an operational CO detective is mandatory on my motorboats, in my cars, and at the house. Otherwise you won't know what hit ya.

when i was running my sailboat down the Columbia the CO alarm in the cabin sounded. the outboard is in a well in the lazarette, it has underwater exhaust, and those bubbles were surfacing a boat length aft in the wake.

somehow the passage of the boat was drawing CO into the cabin. if someone had been asleep in there, i would have had a corpse for a crew.
Only one small fly in the ointment....under 40 degrees CO alarms are very untrustworthy and given to beeping, and otherwise undesirable performance. I know from personal experience. Best to properly vent rather than rely on an unreliable piece of machine. Also, don't sleep on the floor as CO is heavier than air.
While I'm on a roll....the dumbest thing ever is the combination Smoke/CO alarm. Smoke goes to the ceiling, and the CO stays on the floor....And everybody installs them up high on the wall, or the ceiling.
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Wow....Honestly, that goes against every single Safety Briefing that I ever got in the Army over in ROK..... :lol: Dip me in Kimchee and roll me in crackers, by golly.
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Wow....Honestly, that goes against every single Safety Briefing that I ever got in the Army over in ROK..... :lol: Dip me in Kimchee and roll me in crackers, by golly.
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The 740 heater came today and it`s really nice, font looks like new, first light in the video acts like there`s a little water in the fuel but got better later.
Found the problem they put a new wick in it but must of sat a long time as it smelled reel bad, so put another new whick in and working perfect now.
I think maybe they soaked the wick with water for shipping and that`s what caused it.

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Re: Perfection heaters

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WOW, That looks great Lenn...... :D
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Thanks buddy, it`s a beauty. :)
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It is a beauty.
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Re: Perfection heaters

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Blaine wrote:
Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:21 pm
black river smith wrote:
Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:00 pm
Pitchy,
What material did you use for the window? The original material was a pressed mylar, I think. One of mine has a torn window, I would not mind replacing it and the other is very cloudy.
We always called it isinglass on the old Moore Stoves, which is a type of mica (or IS mica)
Isinglass is not mica. Isinglass is, believe it or not, dried fish bladder!! Mica is a silicate mineral.
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Re: Perfection heaters

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Thanks Brian. :)
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