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Anyone tried it. I was thinking of loading some subsonic to reduce the blast and at 550 odd grains Im guessing a RB will still penetrate like the dickens. Anyone know whether special wads or particulars are needed.
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I used a full bore-size ball cast of wheelweights over 28 gr. of Unique. Gave somewhere over 1400 fps from my 18" barreled Stevens double.
Loaded in Winchester AA hulls, using the standard wad for those hulls but with the "petals" cut off the wad.
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Shooting into old cars I never had one stop in a car.
Shooting into a 12" x 12" mine timber it did not quite exit but did break the back side.
Recoil was heavy enough that about 3 shots from the bench and I was through, but the load was pretty accurate to 50 yards.

I don't know if the load would be safe in any else's gun ............
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I do that. I bought .69 caliber round balls and a case of birdshot, same weight as the ball. I open the shell, dump the shot, insert RB into that space, and close the shell.

i have a mold and intend to 'someday' cast hard lead balls.

using the birdshot loads and substituting RB gets the cost down to two-bits or a bit more. i cannot buy the components for the cost of a 100 round case of loaded shot shells.

the shot gets recycled when casting balls

so far so good
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Always wanted to play with RB, sadly our wonderful goobermint has declared them illegal for use. But that's ok as I have a Savage 220 that will shoot one heck of a lot better that any smoove bore. And 2 guns that shoot buckshot like a house afire!
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I’ve loaded and tested roundballs in one of my 8 gauge guns . Also have molds that I think will work in the 10 , 12 and 16 gauge guns .
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GunnyMack wrote:
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Always wanted to play with RB, sadly our wonderful goobermint has declared them illegal for use. But that's ok as I have a Savage 220 that will shoot one heck of a lot better that any smoove bore. And 2 guns that shoot buckshot like a house afire!
I got a 220 when they first hit the market . Three in an inch at 100 yards is a regular thing atleast with the Remington factory sabot jobs . First year I had it I killed a whitetail on the Blackwater NWR in MD at 128 yards . That was the first deer I ever fired it at .
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6pt, I shoot the 3" Remington Accutips, it will easily shoot one hole to less than 2" at 100 if I do my part. Of course I glass bedded it!
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6pt, I shoot the 3" Remington Accutips, it will easily shoot one hole to less than 2" at 100 if I do my part. Of course I glass bedded it!
I use the 2 3/4” Accutips .
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Try the 3", less bullet jump .
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This isn't RBs but close enough, Just picked up an NOE 12ga 680-500-FN sabot slug double mold. Comes with pins to make solids :shock: and hollow base. With the HBs plan on using the Lyman shotgun load book for that one, but don't have a clue about loads for the solid. Anybody here have even close to a recipe for a 680gr load? The NOE is just slightly smaller than the Lyman 12ga hollow base sabot slug. Got that one, but a bit of a pain to mold 1 slug at a time with that removeable base pin. Check it out over at noebulletmolds.com, it's at the bottom of the list.
Hope there's no problem adding this to the thread. :)
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1894cfan, the more the merrier. Cant help with slug loads, would be interested to know myself.
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Fri May 28, 2021 10:25 am
This isn't RBs but close enough, Just picked up an NOE 12ga 680-500-FN sabot slug double mold. Comes with pins to make solids :shock: and hollow base. With the HBs plan on using the Lyman shotgun load book for that one, but don't have a clue about loads for the solid. Anybody here have even close to a recipe for a 680gr load? The NOE is just slightly smaller than the Lyman 12ga hollow base sabot slug. Got that one, but a bit of a pain to mold 1 slug at a time with that removeable base pin. Check it out over at noebulletmolds.com, it's at the bottom of the list.
Hope there's no problem adding this to the thread. :)
Btw the slug weight there is 500 grains, so a bit more than 1 1/8oz. I think the heaviest slug on the market these days is the 600 grain Brenneke 3" or 'black magic' slugs. Dixie gunworks used to do their 730grain terminator, but I believe they are closed down. They also had a tri-ball load, 3 stack of 60+ calibre balls, apparently used to pattern tight right out to 50 yards. 3 x 20 guage roundballs every pull of the trigger. Wish I knew the components for that load too.
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A friend of mine loaded up steel ball bearings in his breakopen 10 gauge; wasn’t much they wouldn’t penetrate...!

I’d love to know the velocity he got . . . . from the 18-1/2” barrel (....hey, we were dumb kids then... :D ), but it seems like 1200-1400 FPS is the sweet spot for penetration, at least with large caliber rifle bullets. I have no idea the diameter or how he loaded them.

He always wanted to load up a stack of pennies or washers, too....
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The Dixie Slugs web site no longer exists.
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The following is from James Gates, now deceased, who was the owner of Dixie Slugs.

TriBall recipe:
3” Cheddite, Fiocchi, or Federal Gold Metal hull
W209primer
28/29 hrs of Alliant Blue Dot
Precision Reloading orange wad #TUPRWW123
Three .600 HARD CAST round balls
Precision reloading buffer to cover the balls
Thin overshot card
Roll crimp

The buffer is to be vibrated around the balls while keeping the balls in contact with each other and with the bottom of the wad so buffer encircles balls but is not between them.

This info was posted by Mr Gates on a public forum before his death. I have used it myself to good success along with Dixie’s factory loads but it is still internet info. YMMV

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mickbr wrote:
Sat May 29, 2021 5:13 pm
1894cfan wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 10:25 am
This isn't RBs but close enough, Just picked up an NOE 12ga 680-500-FN sabot slug double mold. Comes with pins to make solids :shock: and hollow base. With the HBs plan on using the Lyman shotgun load book for that one, but don't have a clue about loads for the solid. Anybody here have even close to a recipe for a 680gr load? The NOE is just slightly smaller than the Lyman 12ga hollow base sabot slug. Got that one, but a bit of a pain to mold 1 slug at a time with that removeable base pin. Check it out over at noebulletmolds.com, it's at the bottom of the list.
Hope there's no problem adding this to the thread. :)
Btw the slug weight there is 500 grains, so a bit more than 1 1/8oz. I think the heaviest slug on the market these days is the 600 grain Brenneke 3" or 'black magic' slugs. Dixie gunworks used to do their 730grain terminator, but I believe they are closed down. They also had a tri-ball load, 3 stack of 60+ calibre balls, apparently used to pattern tight right out to 50 yards. 3 x 20 guage roundballs every pull of the trigger. Wish I knew the components for that load too.
Should have been a bit clearer, on the side of the NOE sabot slug mold is two weights, 500gr for hollow base slugs and 680gr for solid base slugs. Whatever I am able to come up with for the solid base slug, it's gonna hurt! Both going and coming! With a sabot slug that heavy it's gonna take something solid or enough distance to stop it!
As far as actual weight, I'll let you guys know as soon as I mold some up. Haven't even smoked the mold yet. Just looking for any hints of load data available. As mentioned, I plan on using the Lyman shotgun loading manual for the hollow base slug since there's only about a 25gr difference between the Lyman sabot slug and the NOE hollow base sabot slug.
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https://wethearmed.com/shotguns/12ga-10 ... -blasters/

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This guy, Hubel, has developed shotguns into amazing machines, delivering amazing forensic performance at hunting range.

not roundballs, but this guy and some number of other explorers have pushed shotgun bore size projectiles to spectacular heights. don't want this info to become extinct, so passing on. for the children.
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GunnyMack wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 3:00 pm
Always wanted to play with RB, sadly our wonderful goobermint has declared them illegal for use.
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Why would the government care whether someone used a RB or a slug? Sounds like a law only a bureaucrat could think of!
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They cited poor accuracy from smooth bores but yet we can use RB in a muzzle loader. Of course this law goes back to before slugs, sabots and rifled barrels so its a much out dated crusty ol game law.
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If you care to search it out there is a Facebook page devoted to slug reloaders. I watch it from afar as I don't reload them but like to see what they are talking about. Some of them talk about a slug mould they get from Russia. It seems to have about a 6-8 week waiting period.
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GunnyMack wrote:
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They cited poor accuracy from smooth bores but yet we can use RB in a muzzle loader. Of course this law goes back to before slugs, sabots and rifled barrels so its a much out dated crusty ol game law.
there is a video of someone shooting brenneke slugs at a 200 yard gong with an 18.5" cylinder bore shotgun. once he walked the slugs in he didn't miss the gong. at 200 yards. from a smoothbore. poor accuracy indeed.
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I've seen that video, would i want to be down range of that hunk of lead in a fire fight- no ******* way! Would i shoot at a game animal at that range with a smooth bore?no i wouldn't want to take that chance of gut shooting, breaking a leg etc.
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i wouldn't shoot at a deer at 200 yards with anything i have now. i gave my 338 mag with varix II to my son. i don't think i've ever shot anything but starfish at that distance.

back to the rb shottie, it's the functional equivalent of an accurized brown bess, which caused massive mayhem in its day. i think with some practice deer at 50 yds should be consistent. a 69 caliber ball, I "think" is around 450Gr or so. a hard cast one would not stop easily.
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Can I do this with a side by side double?
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Carlsen Highway wrote:
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Can I do this with a side by side double?
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Carlsen Highway wrote:
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Can I do this with a side by side double?
if they are cylinder bore, and accept modern pressure loads, should be A-Ok.
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That NOE slug mold I got that has a solid base pin? Made some up this morning and made with Lyman #2 weighed out to 575gr, so just might try the Sabot slug loads listed in the Lyman shotgun manual with it!
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1894cfan wrote:
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That NOE slug mold I got that has a solid base pin? Made some up this morning and made with Lyman #2 weighed out to 575gr, so just might try the Sabot slug loads listed in the Lyman shotgun manual with it!
hope you can video the results... it'll be a kick to shoot. not a comment about recoil, real or imaginary, :P
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Grizz wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:04 pm
1894cfan wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:26 pm
That NOE slug mold I got that has a solid base pin? Made some up this morning and made with Lyman #2 weighed out to 575gr, so just might try the Sabot slug loads listed in the Lyman shotgun manual with it!
hope you can video the results... it'll be a kick to shoot. not a comment about recoil, real or imaginary, :P
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When I was little in the 1960s, older relatives and their friends used to talk about hunting deer here in PA with shotguns loaded with "punkin balls". Is this what they were referring to? Not sure when the term "shotgun slug" made its debut, but the old timers never used it.
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As I have always lived in Texas, I never saw shotgun slugs as anything other than a law enforcement tool. However, in that capacity, I have never seen anyone shot with a slug that survived it. A .72 caliber hole is hard to stop bleeding.
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kaschi wrote:
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When I was little in the 1960s, older relatives and their friends used to talk about hunting deer here in PA with shotguns loaded with "punkin balls". Is this what they were referring to? Not sure when the term "shotgun slug" made its debut, but the old timers never used it.
Yup.

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Scott Tschirhart wrote:
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As I have always lived in Texas, I never saw shotgun slugs as anything other than a law enforcement tool. However, in that capacity, I have never seen anyone shot with a slug that survived it. A .72 caliber hole is hard to stop bleeding.
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