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Hello all.
I joined last year but haven't posted anything until yesterday, and now that I did, I think is appropriate to introduce myself.

My name is Enrique, from Argentina. I'm a young shooter (50 :D ) that started as a kid with air rifles, then .22 carbines and when I was 21 (legal age to get my "guns licence") I bought my first gun, a S&W 686 .357. I like handguns, carbines and rifles, but I'm not a shotguns guy (although I have a Remington 870).

Here are the leverguns I currently have. The 2nd, 3rd and 5th were from my grandfather.

Marlin 1894 .44 Magnum (1999/2000)
Marlin 94 .38-40. (1905)
Winchester 1892 .44-40 (1900)
Winchester 1894 .30-30 (1919)
Colt Lightning .44-40 (1896)

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And my single actions

Uberti Cattleman .22LR/.22WMR
Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt/ .45 ACP

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Best regards, saludos desde Argentina!
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Welcome to the forum, Enrique!

Wow, quite a nice collection you have. In the decades I've lived up here on the other end of the continent I've only seen one levergun and heard rumors of others. The one I did see was a Marlin 39 that was marked "Remington" and registered as a "Remington" because whoever handled the registration back in the day had never heard of a Marlin rifle. They even did a nice job of the Remington logo they chose. Rifles of all kinds are heavily restricted/prohibited up here. 22's are allowed to a certain extent, but our gun laws are VERY restrictive. Anyway, welcome to the forum. Thanks for sharing your collection with us!
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Very nice bunch of useful guns.
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Good stuff!
I've always been fascinated by Argentina and it's history. It looks like a beautiful country.


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Nice stuff dude.....it's always nice hearing from people from far away ....I'm always interested in other country's gun laws and I noticed you have handguns......is owning a handgun a major problem?

The Colt Lightning .....you don't see many carbines......I've found Colt Lightnings to be as rugged as any lever gun.-----006
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Thanks guys!

Jason, if you ever decide to come to Argentina, let me know!
In 2000 I visited Wyoming and in the last 4 years I went to Texas 4 times to the Houston Rodeo, but was almost all work no fun (not really, I had a great time at the International Room :D).

I'm my first trip to Texas I was invited to a ranch and was able to try some "black guns" that here are complicated.

Gun laws in Argentina

Sixgun, to own guns, we need to get a license from the ANMaC (National Agency of Controled Materials), the CLU (Legit User Credential), valid for 5 years. To get a licence, you need a certificate of "suitability" or "proficiency" in handling guns, a doctor's certificate that you are ok (mental and physically) and you have to show that you have a legal income of some sort.

When you get your license you are allowed up to 9 guns (a reloading press counts as one), but it's not complicated to move the next category that is between 10 and 49 (there are some storage and security requirements).

Guns.
You can buy Shotguns, rifles, pistols, and revolvers.
Handguns: up to 44 Magnum. For bigger calibers like .454 Casull, .500 Smith and Wesson, .50 Action Express and, who knows why, FN's 5,7mm , you need a special permit, very hard to get.
Rifles: .50 BMG is out. Below that, no restrictions I think. Except, semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines. For those, you need the same permit than the .454 Casull. BUT... There's a catch... The restriction says "semiauto rifles with detachable magazines derived from military rifles". So you need that permit for the FSL or Semiauto FALs (used to be very cheap 25 years ago and I can't believe I didn't bought one by that time...), AK47, AR-15, M-14...
But you don't need the special permit for an SKS, a Garand or, the one I bought last year, the Ruger PC Carbine. At least for the moment.

The CLU (Legit User Credential) allows you to have, use and transport guns, but not to Carry.
Carry permits are very complicated to get, expensive and you have to renew it every year.

For every gun you get a card (Tenencia).
And for every caliber (unless you have a reloading press declared) you get a "ration card" (tarjeta de consumo) were there are registered your ammo purchases. Once filled, you need to purchase a new card (usd 3). I think we are allowed 1000 rounds per caliber... But when available, you could buy the 3000 bullets bucket of .22s :shock:

When you buy a gun, the gunshop fulfills the paperwork online, print it and make you sign it. Then they send it to the Register (or you can do it yourself, maybe faster) and it used to take 2 to 4 weeks to get back the card of the gun, and the ammo card. There was a "urgent" price and you could get the card in 2 days (if you go to the central office in Buenos Aires). Today, the waiting period is uncertain, demanding 2-4-6 months), if you are lucky to get an appointment. Almost everyone is doing their paperwork with the gunshops because is hard to get an appointment.

Legit Users (LU, people with a valid credential) can loan guns to other LU. With the gun must go the Tenencia.

In a private sell, buyer and seller must go to the ANMaC or a gunshop and do the same paperwork.

So, even if we have a lot of paperwork to do every five years, and it isn't cheap, at least we don't have the restrictions than several countries have.

Suppressors are forbidden.

Hopefully that's a small picture of the gun laws in Argentina.

Saludos, Enrique
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Nice guns and welcome to the board. :)
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That's great information, very thorough.

Are foreign hunters still able to bring their sporting guns in for a hunt? [I hear that the dove hunting is incredible.]
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Sixgun wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 11:17 am Nice stuff dude.....it's always nice hearing from people from far away ....I'm always interested in other country's gun laws and I noticed you have handguns......is owning a handgun a major problem?

The Colt Lightning .....you don't see many carbines......I've found Colt Lightnings to be as rugged as any lever gun.-----006
The Colt Lightning is a beautiful (maybe a little abandoned for a while) Carabine. It has a very ligjt nscription on top of the bolt, that says "Otto Günther, 1896".
I found it very fast to shoot. I would love a modern rifle like that in .44 Magnum. It would be a great short distance hunting gun. I understand there were some modern clones. Haven't seen them.

Nice snakes in your signature. Phytons? I'm curious about the camo :-)

About the Handguns, I explained in the previous message, but they say that "an image is more powerful than 1000 words"... :D

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Pitchy wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 1:05 pm Nice guns and welcome to the board. :)
Thanks Pitchy!
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 1:13 pm That's great information, very thorough.

Are foreign hunters still able to bring their sporting guns in for a hunt? [I hear that the dove hunting is incredible.]
Hi Scott
As I understand, if it didn't changed, yes, hunters are allowed to bring their guns, but sadly, now they have to take them back. In the past, there were hunters that would bring their shotguns and leave or sell them here. Now that's not possible.

I used to work in a ranch were we had a lodge for dove hunters. I was in charge of the ranch but have nothing to do with the hunting operation... Sadly :cry:
Americans with semiautomatics would shoot over 1000 doves a day easily. One got over 3600 in one day.
Italians and Spanish, preferred O/U shotguns and shot much less (not good for the guy that sold the cartridges :lol: ).

Every "pickaboy" (the boys that where with the hunters to help them with the guns and doves) had the latest camo apparels... :D hunters must take the guns back but usually gave them a piece of clothing when they left.
Me... My cows only gave me sh...t :lol:
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Thanks for the info, Enrique.

All firearms technically belong to the government here, ever since the Constitution of 1993. They even appropriated the privately held firearms that were brought in under the old system, changing the registration to reflect the new ownership, and they didn't pay anyone anything for any of it. (then folks wonder why there's such a high level of unregistered firearms here). Also, no private gun stores other than those that sell airguns and traumatic pistols. Ammo we're allowed to purchase 100 rounds every six months - unless we're registered with the Shooting Federation, then we have a greater supply of sporting ammo allowed (especially shotgun and 22 LR). All weapons are sold by the army in their stores, most of which is done in Bogotá. To transfer between individuals one of them (the purchaser) MUST belong to the federation and both have to travel to Bogotá to do the paperwork. I've missed a couple of opportunities to acquire a firearm due to the seller's reluctance to make that trip. The time and the expense to travel up there put a real big damper on private sales of legal firearms. Your other legal option to dispose of a firearm is to simply hand it back to the government.

So, that's why I keep as active as possible to retain rights back in the US. It's nice to enjoy the relative freedom on my infrequent visits "home".
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Enrique,
Thank you very much for the detailed response......while those regulations would never fly here, at least you guys are not left defenseless or without the ability to enjoy what you like to do......the liberals here would like to see every conservative without any means of defense or sport......but they can sit at their cafes and drink $10 a cup coffee while discussing pornography.

I see you have your 1911's, (Argentine 1911 :D ), old Colt 1903, early Colt pocket positive, some small frame Smiths..(32's?) single action Rugers and Colts......

Well, I'd say your doing very well!!!

Paul sure seems to have it a bit harder...travel to Bogota? Wow! I guess you guys can thank Pablo Escobar for all that.....

We are all pretty knowledgeable here so ask what you need to ask... ....but it looks like you have that covered.....-----006

The camouflaged Colt is a factory Realtree Anaconda in 44 mag.....it has a matching scope....
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Well, you sure took awhile to make your first post, but what a festival of great gun photos.

So sad you have to deal with 'guns' being treated like something bad, and a government that assumes they somehow have a right to restrict them. In the U.S. we are still operating to some extent as our Constitution intended - that it is the citizen who has the fundamental, inalienable, right to possess firearms, and that the citizen grants the police and military limitable possession and constrained usage of, firearms. I think we would be in terrible shape were it not for the Second Amendment.

But that is for the 'political' section - you have a really great collection, and it looks like you take good care of them.

Do you get to shoot very much...? Is ammunition hard to get...?

Right now you can't find ammo in the MidWest US; a few years ago, you would literally trip over shipping pallets of 308, 30-06, 45 ACP, 9mm, 223 of all flavors, and so on, if you went to the stores near me, but now many stores will only sell a full box or two if you are also buying a gun, because they just don't have any ammunition to spare, and figure all the first-time guy buyers at least ought to be able to get priority so they have SOME ammunition. That is all due to so many people feeling the election was fraudulent and expecting upheaval and instability. (oops...again political...but pertinent).

Lots of new gun buyers here - I'd estimate 1/3 of people (100 million) own firearms. Two big waves of gun buying seemed to happen:

First, there began a huge increase in 'AR' type firearms for about 10 years now, I think for the following reasons:
> often to young buyers who like the 'horsepower',
> new firearms owners not that interested in guns, but who just wanted 'one all-purpose gun' (and an AR really IS that),
> to some of us who appreciate our 'hobby' rifles but saw a potential and additional need for a true 'militia' rifle, and
> to those who saw 'modernization' of the AR really did extend its utility (think 50 Beowulf, 204 Ruger, 300 Blackout)
so that 'AR' market is almost saturated, and then

Second, women entered the market (...and maybe some beta-males... :o ), because
> their boyfriends took them out shooting the AR's and they realized "guns are empowering", and
> guns women could quickly learn to shoot well (few have enough finger strength for DA revolvers) hit the market

It has been a good decade for guns entering the popular culture, but demand exceeds production now for guns somewhat, but for ammunition especially.

I think it is fair to say most of us in the U.S. who are 'gun people' have limited our shooting to conserve ammunition, and to do our part to allow the supply to catch up.

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Thanks Paul for the info.
I knew about a little about Colombian gun restrictions because a investigateted before going to the Brahman World Congress in Bucaramanga in 2018. Couldn't bring any "souvenirs" back home.

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Over here we still can find the most common calibers. Ammo is expensive and there isn't a lot of people running to overstock themselves.
Personally, I think I bought a couple of boxes of 9mm, a box of .45 ACP and another one in .44-40, in the last ten years. Most of my shooting are my reloads with Argentine cast bullets, primers and powders. We don't have slow powders for Magnum cartridges, but at least we can shoot.

In the past I used to use Alliant powders, but are very hard to find, and very expensive if you find them. A 2400 probably may be around usd 80-100 the pound.

But today even the cast bullets increased their prices. I'm starting to cast my own.
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Welcome to the fire!
From the looks of your iron, you came to the right place. Nice stuff!
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That's a fantastic collection of firearms! Your right at home here!
Winchester Marlins, S&W Colt's and Rugers are what we like!
The gentleman on this forum are a wealth of knowledge.
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Thanks for the kind welcome!
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Ray wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 7:21 pm Bienvenidos.....

The only thing better than those fotos are the thoughts of bisteca milanesa y tire de asado y fugazzeta y faina`, etcetera.....

mi sobre nombre es gordo rey......
Seems that you've been here tasting our "cuisine" :D

Abrazo!
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Watching over the cattle, do you gentlemen still use a bola? (Boleadra)
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Sorry for the late reply...
I never saw someone using a "boleadora", and I worked in at least 6 o 7 different ranches :-P
But you can see them in some houses hanging over the fireplace :-P
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Do you get to hunt much?

If so what to you hunt?
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I'm not a hunter, I just enjoy shooting targets at the ranch. But if a friend invites me to hunt, I would go happily!
I lived for more than 10 years in different ranches in the provinces of Santa Fe, Cordoba and Entre Rios (in Argentina) but mostly I only had small game.
I hunted 2 or 3 pigs or wild boars, in some friend´s ranches, but there weren't any in the ones I was managing.
Now I live in Buenos Aires city, so I have a lot less chances to hunt. Boars are becoming a problem in some areas.
There are some Axis and Dama deeres and in some areas, antelopes (all exotic species).
If you go to the Patagonia, there are areas with Red Deere (European deere). My grandfather and my father hunted several, but I never had the chance to go.

Last thursday I added Rossi 92 Trapper in .45 Colt to my collection. Can't wait to give it a try :-)
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