1892 strength? 1907 vs 1925

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1892 strength? 1907 vs 1925

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32 wcf
Is there any strength difference that would matter with zippy 115gr hand loads?
1907 1892 octagon rifle
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1925 Model 53
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Re: 1892 strength? 1907 vs 1925

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Naaaaaa......steel is the same and I would just pay attention to the mechanics of the gun as to excessive headspace and resize your brass accordingly and preferably to each gun if your using loads much past the midway mark of acceptable velocity....I consider 5.5 of Unique with a 115 Lyman as a top load in my '92's.

Zippy? Don't get too zippy unless you have lots of brass stashed away as the 32-20 will stretch 'em in the best of chambers with hot loads.....plus, as the bolt on a '92 is "split" the same way an '86 is you run the risk of breaking the ejector like I once did on "zippy" 100 grain jacketed bullets with a top load of 2400 from the manual.

The ejector is a major PITA to replace and originals are getting increasing hard to find. Modern replacements are cast and the least pressure you put on them will break them.

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Re: 1892 strength? 1907 vs 1925

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I loaded hot loads in the Marlin 1894CL .32-20 and had cases separate completely on the 3rd firing. What I ended up doing was ... if I loaded a hot load, never reload that case more than twice with the hot loads, then put it in the "light loads only" box and use 'em for that.

While not a Winchester 92, the Marlin demonstrated what Sixgun said .. the best of chambers will stretch the thin brass of the .32-20. My Marlin was a new gun and had no headspace issues. The chamber coulda been tighter as a far as I was concerned, but was within specs.
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I think before WW2 steel was pretty much the same . My Grandfather worked from 1920-1960 , and His oldest son (Uncle Stan) were both full time machinists , they both retired after a life time 40 years. Stan told Me at one Family picnic in the early 90's that after WW2 steel was incredibly better. these were no BS people..........
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Re: 1892 strength? 1907 vs 1925

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I have a Model 53 (25-20) made in 1926 with a nickel steel barrel. My guess is that Winchester must have thought the quality of that steel to be better than what was previously used.
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It's not so much as the barrel steel...I've never heard of a 32-20 rifle blowing up in the chamber......it's the nature of the beast...a levergun has "spring" in the action unlike a solid bolt action or single shot......if you don't believe me take ANY 1892 in 44-40 and load some of those crazy loads that are listed in the pre-1965 (or so) Lyman manuals....like 26 grains of 4227....and you will leave the front half of the case in the chamber.

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Thanks all!
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