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This is what I started with and probably should have stayed with. I’ve wasted some serious time and money over the years. And I cannot say that I have ever found a handgun that I shoot consistently better than an old Ruger Blackhawk.
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I have several Black Hawks and Supers but this old three screw will outshoot them all and will always be my favorite handgun.

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I had an old friend, as in long time friend, who's starting to feel his age, call and ask which of his guns I'd like to have after he is gone. After demurring and being over-ridden, I finally allowed that I'd probably most like his 3-screw 41 Mag. Back in the mid-80's he'd won several matches with that gun... smooth, slick and accurate as all get-out!

I had a .357 that I thought would always stay in my safe... until my wife decided she'd rather have a Colt SAA! She couldn't abide spending all that money for another handgun, so she traded in the Ruger. She did it thru a dealer friend, but I couldn't convince him to sell me my old 3-screw back! He still gloats over that deal!
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Nice one. Still looking for my first. Just missed a NIB 4 5/8 .41 mag. at a little show last month. That was a rare one I think. Havent turned up any on google yet.
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2ndovc wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:15 am I have several Black Hawks and Supers but this old three screw will outshoot them all and will always be my favorite handgun.

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Absolutely gorgeous! The only issue I have with my Old Model Flattop .44 is the short grip frame. However, I am going to try some extended grips from Texas Grips in Mesquite wood to see if that helps.
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Have a couple in 41 and 45, very accurate.
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I really want to love this one. But it’s tough to shoot well.
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So I’m going to try these stocks and see if it won’t work better. But I think I’ll put the stags on the.357.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:51 am
2ndovc wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:15 am I have several Black Hawks and Supers but this old three screw will outshoot them all and will always be my favorite handgun.

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Absolutely gorgeous! The only issue I have with my Old Model Flattop .44 is the short grip frame. However, I am going to try some extended grips from Texas Grips in Mesquite wood to see if that helps.
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OldWin wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:41 pm
Scott Tschirhart wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:51 am
2ndovc wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:15 am I have several Black Hawks and Supers but this old three screw will outshoot them all and will always be my favorite handgun.


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Absolutely gorgeous! The only issue I have with my Old Model Flattop .44 is the short grip frame. However, I am going to try some extended grips from Texas Grips in Mesquite wood to see if that helps.
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I have a perfect candidate for this treatment. If only I'd choke down my cheapness and send it off, I could have one too.
I do have this Flat Top .357 I got from Sixgun last year. It's a sweetheart. I can see stags in it's future.
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I agree...love the old models, especially the Flattops......got em all except the .256, which really isn't a revolver.

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Heeyyyy! There's some stags!

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I'm not a fan of that grip frame although Scott may have found a partial solution, but BOY! That is some serious gun porn! :D :mrgreen: -Tutt
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What would really be cool is finding an old Ruger Practical Holster for a short Blackhawk!
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I hear you Scott, ive blown alot of money on S&W & Colt revolvers, never found any of them to my liking

around 50 years ago i bought my first Ruger in 22- 22 mag, since then its been dozens of Rugers & many of the 3 screw model, my latest Ruger is a 454 Casull Alaskan, just load it with in reason & its a joy to shoot



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Stick a Bisley grip on them and I'd sure be likin' that...!
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OldWin wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:41 pm I have a perfect candidate for this treatment. If only I'd choke down my cheapness and send it off, I could have one too.
I do have this Flat Top .357 I got from Sixgun last year. It's a sweetheart. I can see stags in it's future.
If you buy stags buy the right ones or its like putting spinner hubcaps on a '62 Vette.

I hope your not planning on butchering that latest FT.....I'll buy it back and slap another hundred or two on top anytime. Guns that clean only need a box to make it NIB.

With an old model go ahead but pleeeaaasssee, not the FT's.

In case you didn't know there are fewer old model 45 Long Colts than there are 44 Mag Flattops.

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AJMD429 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:33 pm Stick a Bisley grip on them and I'd sure be likin' that...!
I have to say, I'm with Doc on this. The Ruger Bisley grips, even in stock form, are well above the standard "plow" grips, thus my gripe. The Ruger Bisley grips are basically the same as Elmer Keith's #5 grips. They are the best thing. If you want to do better, and you should, look for "waisted" Bisley grips, where the center part is narrowed with a fattened shoulder on top. Another design worth looking at is "fattened" grips with a palm swell in the middle, that also might work well.
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Sixgun wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:53 pm
OldWin wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:41 pm I have a perfect candidate for this treatment. If only I'd choke down my cheapness and send it off, I could have one too.
I do have this Flat Top .357 I got from Sixgun last year. It's a sweetheart. I can see stags in it's future.
If you buy stags buy the right ones or its like putting spinner hubcaps on a '62 Vette.

I hope your not planning on butchering that latest FT.....I'll buy it back and slap another hundred or two on top anytime. Guns that clean only need a box to make it NIB.

With an old model go ahead but pleeeaaasssee, not the FT's.

In case you didn't know there are fewer old model 45 Long Colts than there are 44 Mag Flattops.

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Oh dude! You should know me better than that. I wouldn't do ANYTHING to mess up that Flat Top. I haven't even had it in a holster.

The 44SB I mentioned sending out is just a regular 3-screw. It's in decent shape but by no means pristine. Otherwise, I wouldn't molest that either.
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Well Six then, with box.
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I like that Fredrick! You don't see many of them....(can I have it?)----your exceptional loyal pal----6
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Of course you will want the twin 41 Mag #530X
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I was looking today at a box of 3118s and some from an 1890s Ideal mold thinking I should get back to testing.
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Never used one, but I have heard that the older pre-action bar revolvers had the best action of any Ruger. From what everyone on here is saying, it sounds true.
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Yea...you wanna plink...come on over! I'm sitting on tens of thousands of rounds and enough primers, powder, and bullets to reload em 10 times.

I was thinking...you got me jealous with that old model 45 Long Colt and I thought I had one. Stuffed under a pile of newspapers I found this yellow and black box.....in it was an Old Model Ruger in the box, with paperwork and some kind of an extra cylinder called "45 a.c.p." whatever that is. Collectors tell me it's a "convertible"....Geeze, I thought only cars were convertibles.

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Earlier in the day I was out in the barn and under an old dry rotted saddle was this other yellow box...some kind of a long cartridge...I dunno these things....a "Maximum"....here I thought Roman gladiators were called Maximums.

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And then I was watching TV and these old ww2 rifles that shoot a little bitty shell called a 30 carbine and that struck a bell as I thought I had one of those so I looked and behind the wood stove, covered in dust was this pistol that says, "30 carbine" and it has three screws! Next to it was a mean looking pistol that also has three screws...says 41 Magnum.....

Don't know about this stuff..think I'll put it out in the morning for the trash man or use it for concrete reinforcing out behind the barn where I'm building a walkway...already have a dozen of those rifles in there that start with an R and end in an "I". I found a boatload of those old 3 screw Rugers under the stairs but they only say "357 Magnum".

I tell ya, wonders never cease...can't wait to get up tomorrow and see what else I can find....might be one of those guns that has a horse stamped on em. :D -----6

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That is some really nice stuff there, especially that 7.5" 45 Colt with the ACP ;-) whatever that is.
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Just wanted to test the loads and see how it shot. I think it was unfired. Still the only rounds through it.
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That's some mighty long range shootin' your doing with the old Blackhawk...I'd need a scope to see the target that far away!

On a serious note Rugers in 45 Long Colt are notorious for having small cylinder throats, some down to .449. Mine is right on the money at .452. Never shot the acp cylinder as I don't have ammo for that oddball round.

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Six, I read that about the chamber throats. Measured all the ones in that 45. They are all uniform and large enough. Local GS has a 50 ft indoor underground range. Fired that group, ;-) for sure some long range work, to see just how it would shoot and where.
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I love seeing these guns. While I appreciate the New Models and particularly the Flattops that Ruger made in recent years, I never have been able to get the same accuracy results I get from the old guns. Maybe because they are broke in a bit? Quien sabe?

But I'm still looking for a good new model flattop with a decent trigger for rough work and daily carry on the ranch.
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Picked up one in 44 Spl some time ago. Decent shooter with some loads. Haven't done much work with it. Saw where the first went and adjusted the point of aim.

Six, you will notice I REALLY stretched out the range on this one.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:50 am I love seeing these guns. While I appreciate the New Models and particularly the Flattops that Ruger made in recent years, I never have been able to get the same accuracy results I get from the old guns. Maybe because they are broke in a bit? Quien sabe?

But I'm still looking for a good new model flattop with a decent trigger for rough work and daily carry on the ranch.
Same here. While I've had a bunch of Blackhawks and a Vaquero, I've never been able to warm up to Ruger handguns in general. The only ones I like are the older 3-screw examples. The rest I don't shoot as well. Same with the double actions. I shoot the Smiths and Colts much better.
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That .357 Maximum is interesting to me, I have to say. I wonder if you re-cut the forcing cone at 10 degrees and polished it and used a heavier bullet to slow it down some if you could reduce the notorious flame cutting of the top strap?? Maybe a change of powder too, not sure what they were using at the time? 40K PSI is not that crazy by today's modern standards (reference 454 Casull and 460 S&W) Six, do you have brass for that little beast too?

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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:50 am I love seeing these guns. While I appreciate the New Models and particularly the Flattops that Ruger made in recent years, I never have been able to get the same accuracy results I get from the old guns. Maybe because they are broke in a bit? Quien sabe?

But I'm still looking for a good new model flattop with a decent trigger for rough work and daily carry on the ranch.

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Your statement tells me you started out on guns with crisp trigger pulls along with that distinct clicking of the action while you pull back on the hammer......same as me....as much as I love Colt single actions, I've never been able to hit what I want near instantly as I can with an old model Ruger.....a good N frame Smith with target stocks and a 2 lb trigger comes close.

I've never been able to get past that and its mental, for sure. We all know people who can pick up anything and hit eggs at 50 yards.

If you don't have anything to do this week I'll drive down, pick you up and we will head on out to Old Savages house....I'll bring Old Win's buffalo coat and we will get you that 44 Spl that Old Savage has. :D ----006
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CowboyTutt wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:10 pm That .357 Maximum is interesting to me, I have to say. I wonder if you re-cut the forcing cone at 10 degrees and polished it and used a heavier bullet to slow it down some if you could reduce the notorious flame cutting of the top strap?? Maybe a change of powder too, not sure what they were using at the time? 40K PSI is not that crazy by today's modern standards (reference 454 Casull and 460 S&W) Six, do you have brass for that little beast too?

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While I like mostly cast bullets for shooting it makes no sense or about as much sense as using cast in an AR when shooting the Max....those 180's are not cheap so hence, the low log count.

My 10" Max.....Near ZERO flame cutting.....(think a.h.) When they came out guys were putting 110 jacketed bullets with as much H110 or 296 as they could jam in the case.

I had a 7.5 inch also but as I was more into the long range shooting I sold it...the 10" version has a heavy barrel and locks up tight as an old Triplelock Smith.
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Six, the Shootist's had a limited run done for them in a Ruger Flat top in 44 Special. Not sure Scott was able to get in on the deal some years ago though. -Tutt
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I'll keep my eye out for a 10 inch version then. I already have 2-3 projects ahead of it. One will require another 1.1 Kilobucks probably. Its a Model 88 Winchester being converted to 416/284 McPherson by Aria Ballistic Engineering. New fancy walnut stock, boron nitride chrome plating on the internals, blued barrel, African safari sights of some kind. Then I have a Pedersoli Lightning that needs a new barrel. My Bisley in 45 long something needs a tune-up, then a 357 Max in 10 inch barrel would be nice. We will have to see what the prices are for the Max when I get there. So far, they are not that bad really. Looks like it would be a fun and very flexible handgun as it shoots everything .357 ish. -Tutt
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Tutt...you got a lot on the plate dude! Lots of projects to keep your mind active. I don't want to throw a fly in the ointment to give you more to think about but.......I "hear" Dan Wessons in the Max are easier to come by.......

I'm pretty much "out of the game" anymore living on past experiences and only staying up on the prices of antique Winchesters and Colts, Marlins, you know, the good stuff. :D

I still like to shoot but lost interest in competition.......I know where I stand in that game......I used to travel all over Pa to participate in the big matches in levergun Silhouette but soon tired after seeing the local ones at the top always twisting the rules for themselves while watching others (outsiders) like a hawk. All me and Gunny were doing was providing money for their 3' trophys.

Gunny, (not a member here) was and is my best friend..retired Marine D.I...

We would watch those guys shoot a string of animals out of order but the scoreboard showed "hits". We never said nothing but if I put a round in the chamber for a five round string when the rifle I was using held four rounds in the mag. (no-no in silhouette) they would come flying down exclaiming "you can't do that! Disqualified!" The locals had it all figured out as to the sun....somehow when they shot it was always in the shade and as the day went on they knew where the shade was and the outsiders always shot in the sun to the side......we had 3 lbs trigger pulls and they had 6 OUNCE trigger pulls, fiber optic front sights, and Olympic Redfield click adjustable rear sights......got tired of all the bs with them knowing just how far they could go with the edge on their side....they would turn leverguns into target rifles....

Even cowboy action got screwed up.....it was great the first few years and I was the one winning trophys and that stopped when guys started using 38 spl's with 2 grains of bullseye and the targets were moved to 10 or 15 yards away.

It's not unique to any one gunclub...they all do it...even my gun club.....I never could get turkeys for my first relay in the morning when the wind wasn't blowing even though I was first in line for sign up, "Nope! Turkeys are already taken" me..."huh, I'm first in line?"

Yea...it's a rant but that's just how people are..sneaky cheats....look at Tom Brady with the underinflated footballs.
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I'm very sorry to hear of your experiences Six. I have not shot competitively. Maybe once or twice at FoBD or the Gateway Dynamite shoot also in CO. You have 50 times my experience. I just enjoy shooting long range, ultra long range, shooting, like Wind did (RIP), and getting on target with guns not formerly so. But competition, maybe not so much. I actually many years ago went to the Shiloh Sharps people to create a shoot, and they accused me of all sorts of heresy. Really a low moment in long range shooting for all of us. The issue was I was using a smokeless powder load in my 11mm but in an authentic 1888 fire arm. They were using BP in a modern Shiloh replica with far better steels. They furthermore insulted me and my friend MicPherson, so I didn't give them any heed. Character is where you find it, and I did not find it there in the Shiloh Sharps forum. By the way, I didn't tell you in my recent post about my 1942 Savage #4 Mark 1*, but you had an influence on that on how to refinish it. You had a "water based" I think "Winchester Red" stain for it. I went with a Min Wax product from local store called Friedman's in a similar color, not sure your recommendation came before or after anymore, it was a long time ago. I do pay attention to what you say, regardless of its "Six" or "Jay". Thank you friend. I'm not so young anymore, 54 now, but that might make me a "youngling" here on this forum. I'm grateful for all the friendships just the same. Still have a few projects in mind.....Now about that 357 Max! :D

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CowboyTutt wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:51 pm Six, the Shootist's had a limited run done for them in a Ruger Flat top in 44 Special. Not sure Scott was able to get in on the deal some years ago though. -Tutt
I missed that one as I was inactive at the time and tied up with other issues. However, I do dearly love my 20th Ann Shootist .44 Special.
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Sixgun wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:47 pm Yea...it's a rant but that's just how people are..sneaky cheats....look at Tom Brady with the underinflated footballs.
Unfortunately, I have met some real difficult people who were competition shooters. It seems to bring out the worst in some people and they really show their rears.
Tutt is also right about that Shiloh forum. Some really great guys and some ..... well the less said the better.

On the other hand, shooters are generally some of the best people in the world and I have so many good friends and aquaintences who I met through the shooting sports.

I'm happy competing against myself these days.
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When they reinflated the footballs for the second half ..
The Colts got beat worse 🐸🐸🐸
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Old Savage wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:25 pm
The Colts got beat worse 🐸🐸🐸
Who beat the Colts? It sure wasn't the Rossi's. Last I heard the Yugo's from Yogoslavia beat the Rossi's and the Yugo's farm team, the "Slingshots" also beat the Rossi's..😜. 👁. 🏈
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I heard that some cowboy beat his Colts pretty bad. He had to get Smith & Wesson to build a strong enough pistol for his loads. Did Colt ever come back from that beating?
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I know this Colt got beat so it hid in the leaves until the Smith & Wessons and Rugers left then came out of hiding, :D

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That is the Baltimore Colts. Brady was just going east on them with the underinflated footballs.
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