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Earlier today one of our mayors wanted to know if he had the authority to commandeer a store and open it as it is the only source of food in the community.

We advised that Texas law does not give a mayor that kind of authority.

Now this just in:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-boyd-m ... r-outages/

I don't disagree with his sentiments, but it is interesting that even in a place like Colorado City, we have people who are so dependent on the government. Folks used to be tougher and more self-reliant out there.

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It is a shame how fragile life can be when people get used to having everything at a moments notice. suddenly No power , no lights ,Heat or running water. nothing on the shelves in the stores because everything is dependent on trucks that are stuck on interstates for hours in traffic. most have a zero backup plan , I saw people today trying to buy firewood because they are freezing to death. they will have to burn their furniture. now the politicians are all pointing fingers trying to blame someone else. the direction of the Government is to have all electric cars and trucks in our lifetime.............where would people charge them if they had them. the tip of a giant iceberg.
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I like to use the example of large scale monocrop agriculture when I’m talking to liberals. They understand how fragile that system is and how one single crop disease can lead to famine versus when you have lots of small family scale farms individually operating. The irony is that those same liberals have no clue as to why other large top-down government programs fail when it is really the same basic issue.

Of course they are the same crowd that goes on and on about how “big corporations” are evil and yet they want to cede all kinds of power to the largest corporation in the world, which is allowed to use violence to suppress their competitors to maintain their monopoly, namely the United States government... :|
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My Grandmother on my Dad's side of the family walked beside a covered wagon when her family went to the Cimarron Strip, also known as No Man's Land, when it became the Oklahoma Panhandle and was opened up to settlement. She got married, and she and her husband, a blacksmith, bought a farm just North of Turpin, Oklahoma. They built a house. And raised a family. The house didn't get indoor plumbing until about 1950. They got electricity when the WPA built the poles, wires, and electric substations.

As a Kid we used to go fishing and camping. I learned to build fires, cook over a fire, and how make do with very little. Too many people do not know how to camp or live without modern conveniences.
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The current flavor of government which the People seem to favor does not encourage self-reliance or any manner of personal independence.

I believe that promoting such radical ideas will most likely get you labeled a 'terrorist' in the new America.

So... Don't be stupid:

If you need help, blame your white Christian conservative neighbor for causing the problem and then ask the government for a check.

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We had a couple blimp in our power over the last few days... but thankfully it held. But, backup plans in place, generator fueled with spare cans, the only thing I couldn't get in time was more propane. Only had that what was left in the BBQ, and the 40 gal tank I use for heating the shop or garage with working at nite in either place and for stove, lights & heater for the tent! I'm going to try to put up the tent by myself after the weekend, as... the thing is huge, and it's been several years since I put it up. 16'x20' wall tent. Last trip in northern NM we camped in nite temps below freezing, but the with heater and stuff, we were quite comfortable. My wife did grumble a bit about the lack of running water, toilet, shower, etc... but... hey, we were at a cowboy action match... We definitely had it better than 19th Century cowboys!
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What people don’t realize and is no longer taught in school, is that at best, government is a ‘necessary evil’, required to provide for the common defense, negotiate treaties and trade, and enforce laws that regulate disputes between subordinate governments, with the feds settling disputes between states and states between counties, counties between townships, and townships between families.

But the family is the sovereign unit, and units of government ‘above’ that should ONLY be involved when there are unsettled disputes; the idea of having government micro-manage everything is an anathema to what the U.S. stands for, and puts us on the same dangerous path other nations before us followed and our Constitution was attempting to avoid. The politicians who keep referring to our nation as a ‘democracy’ are indicative of such stupidity.

Even ignoring abstract concepts like ‘freedom’ or ‘liberty’ and just counting lives lost, governments throughout history have consistently killed FAR more of their own citizens than criminals have, so why on earth any intelligent citizen would ‘trust’ government is bizarre, and reflects a lack of education and lack of awareness of the real world.

Both things ‘progressives’ and ‘liberals’ seem to take pride in... :roll:
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AJMD429 wrote:
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What people don’t realize and is no longer taught in school, is that at best, government is a ‘necessary evil’, required to provide for the common defense, negotiate treaties and trade, and enforce laws that regulate disputes between subordinate governments, with the feds settling disputes between states and states between counties, counties between townships, and townships between families.
But the family is the sovereign unit, and units of government ‘above’ that should ONLY be involved when there are unsettled disputes; the idea of having government micro-manage everything is an anathema to what the U.S. stands for, and puts us on the same dangerous path other nations before us followed and our Constitution was attempting to avoid. The politicians who keep referring to our nation as a ‘democracy’ are indicative of such stupidity.
Even ignoring abstract concepts like ‘freedom’ or ‘liberty’ and just counting lives lost, governments throughout history have consistently killed FAR more of their own citizens than criminals have, so why on earth any intelligent citizen would ‘trust’ government is bizarre, and reflects a lack of education and lack of awareness of the real world.
Both things ‘progressives’ and ‘liberals’ seem to take pride in... :roll:
Actually, I believe the politicians do so on purpose, quite deliberate to disguise the way in which they're trying to subvert the Constitution and dismantle our Representative Democracy. The "Public" using the term democracy to refer to our form of government is stupidity... for they've never put forth the effort to actually learn about the Constitution and the way the framers envisioned our country.
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my son spent the day filling the bathtubs with water while he can, and melting snow to flush the toilets. i think his power is still on. he has a gas oven, can heat with that. he's Alaskan, he's resourceful.

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PS; the real reason Texans are in trouble is because they have invested so much in solar and windmills, and they're getting zero output from that source, and they don't have the capacity to meet their electrical needs with carbon fuels because the geniuses wanted green power. now green power is killing people. who could have seen that one coming?
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All those of us who protested selling the rights for the windmill farms and solar farms to T. Boone Pickens saw it. He even got the nuclear power plants built to only half the capacity the engineers calculated a need for. George Dubya Shrub was the one who took the payoff to get Pickens the wind rights. Oblama took the payoffs for the solar farms.
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If I can shoot a little ground squill, and mash it up in a field, I'll draw crows. Contrary to popular belief, they don't taste all that bad (so I've read....supposedly like duck). If I'm lucky a deer might wonder by. It would behove me to move the camper to a spot in the hills near water. I'll get by.
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Get used to it folks.

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Think about this next time you poke fun at a prepper!
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Scott Tschirhart wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:40 am
Think about this next time you poke fun at a prepper!
Yup. It's almost normal round here. My grandparents were "preppers" before we knew what that word meant.
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I don't consider myself a prepper, but I am not about to run out of food.

We went to the grocery store to use the pharmacy yesterday. The line was over 300 yards long to get in. And they were not "social distancing."

I called the Pharmacist and he carried Miss. Kathy's prescription out to us. Good man.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote:
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I don't consider myself a prepper, but I am not about to run out of food.

We went to the grocery store to use the pharmacy yesterday. The line was over 300 yards long to get in. And they were not "social distancing."

I called the Pharmacist and he carried Miss. Kathy's prescription out to us. Good man.
Do you guys have Store Capacity limits down there, or was it just THAT busy?
We're at 25%, but only the Karens enforce it.
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No, I havent seen a capacity limit on stores. But the crowd was such that they probably had to limit access to accommodate everyone.

A lot of city folks don't have any extra food at home. I just got a link of deer sausage from the freezer....we are living in style.
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i would find it hard to believe that the folks at this fire don't have a years supply of basic beans and rice, which will keep you alive in a hard chance. my next project is to make a pemmican that i can eat with no teeth, it needs to disolve like butter into the beans and rice. that plus stray dogs and cats should keep us healthy and strong.
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We have wood heat, we have a small 500 gal. propane tank, we have a generator and enough gasoline to run it for a month or so, we have several deer in the freezer and other foods stored, we have our own well. This "crisis" has shown us some holes in our "preparations" and we will correct those. We have not had a hard time of it, but a lot of folks have. People live too far from the earth these days. I agree in principle with that Mayor.
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Sadly, the sheeple have made him resign. Saaaaad!
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Scott Tschirhart wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:40 am
Think about this next time you poke fun at a prepper!
I guess I'm a prepper. But, if you grew up on the gulf coast or there about you were a fool if you wasn't.

Hurricanes.
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IT SHOULD READ " GOVERNMENT CANNOT SOLVE ANYTHING" HAHAHA
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RIHMFIRE wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:36 am
IT SHOULD READ " GOVERNMENT CANNOT SOLVE ANYTHING" HAHAHA
You got that right.
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the second line could be

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During our brief, but ugly storm here, I was shocked to hear of people being caught off guard by lack of food, and even warm clothing. I couldn't believe the news reports and interviews where people were panicking because they weren't sure what they'd eat, or even how they'd cook the food they did have? Many had little or not enough warm clothing, and were fearing they'd not make it until the power was restored!
We got maybe 12" of snow, with a couple layers of freezing rain mixed in. Most people were either only out of power for less than a day to maybe 4-5 days. And temps never got below 20 degrees, so cold, but not so cold you couldn't bundle up inside your home and survive.
I got the distinct impression a lot of people go to the store every other day, or they wouldn't panic when the snow hit.
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My Wife works at the Wal Mart here in town. She said that a few fights occurred between customers panicking over food and supplies. Only thing we ran out of was milk. PillHer really really really likes her milk. I last remember drinking milk 50 years ago. I cook with moo juice, but I cannot stand the taste of it by itself.
We had plenty of beans, spam, frozen meat, vegetables that we use, and other things that keep for a long time.
Water might have become an issue if the conditions had stayed bad for 3 weeks or more. Still, I have one of those filters for larger volumes that is great for camping. There is a small city lake half a mile away. A small stream is three quarters of a mile away. I have saws and chain saws. Maybe Nature should occasionally prune itself.
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My local store. Fortunately, we have plenty of meat and canned goods at the house. My wife does like her milk (I don't touch the stuff) so I went to the store and of course, there was none.
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is "prepper" a pejoritive????? because the Boy Scout's marching song is "Be Prepared".

i keep years worth of beans and rice and canned meats and vegies. this is normal. this is a hand me down from my ancestors a thousand years ago. this is living history. this allows me to board the sailboat and sustain us at sea for a circumnavigation.

someone who is not "prepared" is either ------, or clueless, or deceived, or all of the above..

"preppers" are intelligent, perceptive, and aware. and some of us are scouts, and some of us are just responsible for our households, because we love them.
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When I worked in a big automobile factory, it always amazed me that so many who smoked never had a match, so many who had to cut string never had a knife and those that were addicted to crossword puzzles never had a pen. I assumed that they probably didn't have spare tires or tool kits in their cars either... :roll:
Maybe these folks have never been in a situation where they have to cope with only what they have and have always relied on others to come to their rescue.
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Folks can get caught by surprise.

Comes from having their priorities confused.

Maybe I am overly optimistic, but there are those who live and learn.

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I agree with you. But you would not believe the numbers of my friends who want ammo and primers now and did not get those items when they were readily available.
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Grizz wrote:
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is "prepper" a pejoritive????? because the Boy Scout's marching song is "Be Prepared".
Only to those who are like the grasshopper in the fable of the ant and the grasshopper. Like any group, there are a small number of preppers who abuse others with their self proclaimed superiority. Just like we sometimes see Fudds at the range, there are a few who are prepared but give the whole group a bad name.

There is nothing wrong with having food and supplies to last through bad times. Did the one who interpreted the dream of the 7 fat cows being swallowed by the 7 skinny cows prepare and get blessed for listening to the warning? Yes he did. Don't worry, but be ready in all things all the way to oil for your lamp.
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Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:24 pm
There is nothing wrong with having food and supplies to last through bad times. Did the one who interpreted the dream of the 7 fat cows being swallowed by the 7 skinny cows prepare and get blessed for listening to the warning? Yes he did. Don't worry, but be ready in all things all the way to oil for your lamp.
This is exactly right. Frankly, I was always a bit confused about the "preppers" on TV. Why would you want anybody to know what you were up to?
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Scott Tschirhart wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:19 am
piller wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:24 pm
There is nothing wrong with having food and supplies to last through bad times. Did the one who interpreted the dream of the 7 fat cows being swallowed by the 7 skinny cows prepare and get blessed for listening to the warning? Yes he did. Don't worry, but be ready in all things all the way to oil for your lamp.
This is exactly right. Frankly, I was always a bit confused about the "preppers" on TV. Why would you want anybody to know what you were up to?
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I was always of the opinion that people who advertise set themselves up to be persecuted by 'the authorities' as 'hoarders.'

When times get tough, those in government will continue to make their living the way they currently do, i.e., on the backs of everyone else, and with police and military authority.

The day is coming when they will want your stuff.

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