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Gun control started to impact me way back in the 60s when I was just a kid. First was the change in UK law on the length of shotgun barrels, the murder of two policemen by someone armed with a handgun prompted the socialist government to ban shotguns with a barrel shorter than 24" thus making my single shot 9 mm flobert garden gun illegal by a quarter of an inch. Never mind I ignored it. At the time if anyone in the UK wanted a shotgun they had to first buy a licence from the post office for 10 bob (50P) the licence always expired on the following 31st of July, then in 1968 the police decided that they should issue the shotgun licence and here's the clever part, instead of a 10 bob licence that at best only lasted a year, the police licence only cost 5 bob (25P) and it lasted for 3 years. Good deal a lot of folks thought but now the police have a record of every shotgun I have ever owned since I was 20.
Now I get into rifles, well sorry you can't have one without a good excuse and approved land to use it on, well a few years later I became a full time gamekeeper with a thousand acres so the police granted me permission to own a rifle. So far so good until I want another rifle, still have to go through the same lengthy procedure as the first one only to be told you already have a rifle in that caliber WHY would you need another in the same caliber? We are talking about the extremely dangerous .22 long rifle. :roll:
Think quick and say, the new one is also chambered for.22 shorts, oh that's ok then sir. Wanting a full bore centerfire rifle, it comes with the same criteria on what, why and where, I was not allowed by law to hunt with my .357 Mag as the police considered it a Gallery rifle for target shooting only, my 30/30 took me two years to acquire because the police said it was for shooting bears not foxes. Every few years I have to renew my firearm and shotgun certificate and answer all these same questions, why and where are each of these weapons used? Plus I require two people to vouch for me and my doctor has to confirm that I'm not insane.
Handguns were obviously a lot of fun but you must be in a recognised gun club and ONLY use the handgun there or at another MOD approved range. Leave the club or not attend for 12 months and the police will not issue you with permission to keep your handguns. At the time of the handgun ban I was then only using Cap n Ball pistols so I didn't have to give mine up until I left the shooting club.
Other UK shooters have different experiences due to the fact that different police forces follow different rules. I have not even mentioned our rules on ammunition but they are just as weird.
As most of you know, I have worked for Westley Richards and have been shooting nearly my whole life, my local gun dealer has me down as a servant of the company so I occasionally get to shoot fully auto AKs etc. and various pistols but that is quite rare in England.
To fight back against these stupid restrictions I have joined pro shooting organisations and written to those who hold power over me, I have marched on London with many thousands of pro shooting people all to no avail. We are condemned by the press as dangerous or just blood thirsty killers of wildlife and now the police are hoping to change the laws again making it even more difficult for youngsters to get into shooting sports.
Just a bit of insight into what we have to put up with over the pond.

PS it's like living in a country were every other person is Joe Biden.
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Gamekeeper - I feel for ya.

I'm guessing that they'll try the gun registration scheme here in America.

Anybody with 2 or 3 brain cells in the same cranium will ignore it.

The United States Constitution is a VERY powerful document. They've passed laws,
such as the drunken driving checkpoint laws, the "No-knock" search warrant laws,
the TSA laws, and suchlike to try and get around it, but there's still a limit to what they
can do in the US. At least so far.

We have to keep fighting, and keep refusing to comply with requests that are not legal.

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The entire concept that police or any other governmental agency is entitled to ANY say-so as to what a person may own when it comes to firearms is just completely ludicrous and infuriating.

Thankfully the U.S. Constitution established into law the concept that the CITIZENS have all the rights, and they grant limited, specific rights to the government, such as allowing the police and military to have specific firearms, using specific ammunition, for specific purposes, and no others. According to this concept, the citizens are allowed to own whatever firearms they want, as long as they don't use them to commit an actual crime (i.e. hurt someone else).

SADLY, our delegating the education of our children to the government for the past 100 years has resulted in several generations of children who have NO CLUE as to the above concept. Even today, few people home-school, or take the time and interest to 'correct' all the misinformation their kids are taught in school. Heck - most kids nowadays don't even HAVE two parents; they are products of a single-mom, with a baby-daddy in the distance, being replaced by Daddy Government. Those moms already look to government as the 'answer' to every problem, so they will never raise independent kids who understand liberty, and the government-schools sure won't do it. A few manage to get their kids a church-school education, if the grandparents are clued-in, but now we have successive single-mom generations, so until we fix that, we will have an electorate with many self-absorbed fools who just vote for whoever promises them the greater share of largess gleaned from their fellow citizens who actually are productive citizens. Then the others who don't even participate politically at all.... Of course we are probably better off in that the latter group may not vote at all, but the Democraps will be 'making it easier for them to vote' and guess how they will vote.

We have LOTS of work to do to get back to a normal U.S......
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gamekeeper wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:51 pm Gun control started to impact me way back in the 60s when I was just a kid. First was the change in UK law on the length of shotgun barrels, the murder of two policemen by someone armed with a handgun prompted the socialist government to ban shotguns with a barrel shorter than 24" thus making my single shot 9 mm flobert garden gun illegal by a quarter of an inch. Never mind I ignored it. At the time if anyone in the UK wanted a shotgun they had to first buy a licence from the post office for 10 bob (50P) the licence always expired on the following 31st of July, then in 1968 the police decided that they should issue the shotgun licence and here's the clever part, instead of a 10 bob licence that at best only lasted a year, the police licence only cost 5 bob (25P) and it lasted for 3 years. Good deal a lot of folks thought but now the police have a record of every shotgun I have ever owned since I was 20.
Now I get into rifles, well sorry you can't have one without a good excuse and approved land to use it on, well a few years later I became a full time gamekeeper with a thousand acres so the police granted me permission to own a rifle. So far so good until I want another rifle, still have to go through the same lengthy procedure as the first one only to be told you already have a rifle in that caliber WHY would you need another in the same caliber? We are talking about the extremely dangerous .22 long rifle. :roll:
Think quick and say, the new one is also chambered for.22 shorts, oh that's ok then sir. Wanting a full bore centerfire rifle, it comes with the same criteria on what, why and where, I was not allowed by law to hunt with my .357 Mag as the police considered it a Gallery rifle for target shooting only, my 30/30 took me two years to acquire because the police said it was for shooting bears not foxes. Every few years I have to renew my firearm and shotgun certificate and answer all these same questions, why and where are each of these weapons used? Plus I require two people to vouch for me and my doctor has to confirm that I'm not insane.
Handguns were obviously a lot of fun but you must be in a recognised gun club and ONLY use the handgun there or at another MOD approved range. Leave the club or not attend for 12 months and the police will not issue you with permission to keep your handguns. At the time of the handgun ban I was then only using Cap n Ball pistols so I didn't have to give mine up until I left the shooting club.
Other UK shooters have different experiences due to the fact that different police forces follow different rules. I have not even mentioned our rules on ammunition but they are just as weird.
As most of you know, I have worked for Westley Richards and have been shooting nearly my whole life, my local gun dealer has me down as a servant of the company so I occasionally get to shoot fully auto AKs etc. and various pistols but that is quite rare in England.
To fight back against these stupid restrictions I have joined pro shooting organisations and written to those who hold power over me, I have marched on London with many thousands of pro shooting people all to no avail. We are condemned by the press as dangerous or just blood thirsty killers of wildlife and now the police are hoping to change the laws again making it even more difficult for youngsters to get into shooting sports.
Just a bit of insight into what we have to put up with over the pond.

PS it's like living in a country were every other person is Joe Biden.
Just one question, with all the gun restrictions in place, did it make a difference in the amount of crimes committed with guns go up or down?
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The main problem with any type of gun control is it puts the squeeze on future gun owners to a point where they just give up. Without new gun owners the sport dies through lack of facilities like gun clubs and gun dealers thus making it even harder for dedicated shooters to keep going. I know quite a few people who have given up shooting or have decided not to apply for a police licence just because of the complicated and time consuming, not to mention expensive procedure.
THE LEGISLATORS HAVE TIME ON THEIR SIDE, THEY CAN SLOWLY STRANGLE THE GUN OWNERS BIT BY BIT UNTIL ONLY A FEW REMAIN, THEN THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND THE NRA ARE NO LONGER RELEVANT TO MANY PEOPLE.
You may keep your AR 15 but without youngsters interested in owning them private ownership will die out just like Sherlock Holmes's revolver did over here.
The UK lost its Constitution many years ago to a socialist government, our Constitution was the basis for what your founding fathers wrote when you gained independence.
As Doc says, state education goes a long way in changing how people think and when the people think guns are unnecessary for their way of life ( food stamps and flat screen TVs) they will support the Joe Bidens of this world without question.
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rossim92 wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:42 am

Just one question, with all the gun restrictions in place, did it make a difference in the amount of crimes committed with guns go up or down?
Overall I would say gun crime went up, machine gun fire is commonly heard in Cities like Manchester BUT crime is only a cover excuse for gun control, the government wants your guns no matter what.
At the time of the First World War Britain had very few gun laws but in the 20s fear of a Soviet style revolution started the restrictions on private citizens owning firearms.
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Just yesterday I watched these two videos... hadn't thought of Luty in some time. Can't believe they allowed Ian to do this video on Luty's guns.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6oK_FS8JA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhGCRIQnCA
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Gamekeeper wrote ""At the time of the First World War Britain had very few gun laws but in the 20s fear of a Soviet style revolution started the restrictions on private citizens owning firearms "............ I wonder does the gun laws affect the wealthy and rich or do they get a free pass. ?
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.45colt wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:32 am Gamekeeper wrote ""At the time of the First World War Britain had very few gun laws but in the 20s fear of a Soviet style revolution started the restrictions on private citizens owning firearms "............ I wonder does the gun laws affect the wealthy and rich or do they get a free pass. ?
The wealthy do not get a free pass but because they are wealthy they own land which requires firearms to hunt or control vermin, the average Brit does not own such land that would qualify for ownership of a firearm ( rifle ) so until you get permission to legally shoot on such land you have to rely on joining a gun club with all the restrictions and rules.
Shotguns can at the moment be owned by people without land but they still must have written permission from land owners to use their shotguns on that land or join a clay pigeon club. Again the wealthy can afford to shoot driven game so obviously they have little trouble in getting a shotgun certificate.
Since the days of Robin Hood poorer Brits have resorted to poaching the wealthy's game, often the only way they could feed their families. When I first aquired a shotgun it was extremely difficult to obtain permission to shoot on somebody else's land and it still is. If you read any old Victorian poaching books you will see the " them and us " situation has always existed. I literally changed sides when I became a wealthy persons gamekeeper but I used my position to let less fortunate shooters get a bit of legal action in the field. I have been fortunate ever since to take advantage of the wealthy and their land... :wink:
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AmBraCol wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:02 am Just yesterday I watched these two videos... hadn't thought of Luty in some time. Can't believe they allowed Ian to do this video on Luty's guns.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB6oK_FS8JA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhGCRIQnCA
Two very interesting videos, thanks Paul for sharing, I too am amazed that Luty's guns were allowed to be filmed.
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The problem is that the US Government is supposed to be a government by, for and of the people. The government is supposed to be our servant to help do things that we cannot do indivdually.

Allowing the government to control us is a big mistake and we should not allow this kind of thing in any part of our lives.

I think the real problem is money. The government is so big and powerful becasue it milks us of vast sums of money, and it is apparently unconcerned about how it spends it as there is always more.....

We need to do something about this.
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Here...you want an analogy of how "smart" people win?.....

As a union man for 44 years makes me think in simple terms.........every three years we would have contract negotiations......it took me a while but around the age of 40 I noticed that during negotiations we would give up "this" or "that" in return for "this" or "that".......AND EVERY TIME these "back and forths" were to the advantage of the company and what we gave up, WE NEVER GOT BACK......

These stupid bastards I worked with would give up a personal holiday, time and a half on Saturdays for straight time, etc JUST FOR A $1,000 signing bonus.

Without a doubt I was the biggest PITA to management AND the union for a couple of decades....everyday I had to look over my shoulder and deal with turn coat rats. (Get the picture?.... Our government works the same way...RATS, tit for tat, illusions, lies repeated repeatedly, taking advantage of intellectually inferior people......and this next one will pizz off some of you but I don't give a F......

In the seventies/eighties our company was 95% white ...the older white guys retiring or dying led to the influx of "others". When I retired the percentages were opposite as to race and was a poor company to work for.

Now....thinking are you ???? .....Mexicans....Arabs....Eastern Europeans.....Chinese....(not Japanese)......

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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:35 pm The problem is that the US Government is supposed to be a government by, for and of the people. The government is supposed to be our servant to help do things that we cannot do indivdually.

Allowing the government to control us is a big mistake and we should not allow this kind of thing in any part of our lives.

I think the real problem is money. The government is so big and powerful becasue it milks us of vast sums of money, and it is apparently unconcerned about how it spends it as there is always more.....

We need to do something about this.
It's been said countless times, but if people had to write a check every month for their payroll taxes, etc, there would be a huge wind in the face of Uncle Sugar.
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Times are changing, and old values are thrown out of the window. The government does nothing to stop this, infact they encourage it and instigate it. People are lazy and do not bother to look any further than their cozy little lifestyle, the government knows this and ensures that the people think their cozy lifestyle is provided by the government.
The democrats and other socialist governments are brilliant at exploiting this to ensure that the GRAND PLAN stays on course.
They do not have to remove all your freedom at once, it would cause too much hassle, just keep chipping away and slowly slowly catch a monkey as they say....like our UK government, they gave the police the job of issuing Shotgun Licenses, by halving the cost and extending the life of the licence by X3 the people did not object. Now we are going down a slippery slope and gaining speed.
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Well ,Thank You for the answer to My question Gamekeeper. when I was about 8 years old the township I lived in in Ohio turned into a "city" , and banned the discharge of firearms. It was horrible for Me as I lived surrounded by farm land and there were ring neck pheasants , rabbits ,squirrels everywhere. at the time trapping and taking of fur bearing animals was at an all time high..
The farm I grew up on had large fields of corn and in October before they picked it the flocks of blackbirds would wreck havoc with it. The Farmers solution was to supply ME every week with a box of Remington #6 .410 Game Loads . My job was to keep the vermin at bay.
One day as I was hard at "work" ... :o . with the .410 here comes the Chief of Police , put Me in the squad car and drug Me to the farm yard. The Farmer just happened to be the Mayor of the City and told the Chief that I was on the payroll and was needed in the field not here on trial.
I can tell You nobody walked taller than I with a pocket full of Remingtons back to the field. :) .
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.45colt wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:55 pm Well ,Thank You for the answer to My question Gamekeeper. when I was about 8 years old the township I lived in in Ohio turned into a "city" , and banned the discharge of firearms. It was horrible for Me as I lived surrounded by farm land and there were ring neck pheasants , rabbits ,squirrels everywhere. at the time trapping and taking of fur bearing animals was at an all time high..
The farm I grew up on had large fields of corn and in October before they picked it the flocks of blackbirds would wreck havoc with it. The Farmers solution was to supply ME every week with a box of Remington #6 .410 Game Loads . My job was to keep the vermin at bay.
One day as I was hard at "work" ... :o . with the .410 here comes the Chief of Police , put Me in the squad car and drug Me to the farm yard. The Farmer just happened to be the Mayor of the City and told the Chief that I was on the payroll and was needed in the field not here on trial.
I can tell You nobody walked taller than I with a pocket full of Remingtons back to the field. :) .
It's funny with all our restrictions on shooting it has never been illegal to discharge a firearm in a city, we do have to have good reason and permission to shoot on which ever property within the city we shoot but shoot we do, the only law we have to observe is, no projectile must be fired over the boundary of the property where we have permission.
I grew up in Birmingham, the second biggest city in the UK, at 13 years of age I regularly used my .410 shooting wood pigeons on allotments where people grew vegetables.
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I personally believe that our Constitution has no power in and of itself. The power is the people who are willing to protect and enforce the Constitution. If no one stands against those who violate the Constitution then the violators have rendered the C meaningless. It is relegated to a historical document only a powerless relic of our past.
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The power is the people who are willing to protect and enforce the Constitution.
That's right. It's a living document.

There's a line from Monte Walsh - the Tom Selleck version - where the accountant
is talking to the cattleman about whether or not the cattle company will pay the
railroad damages after a brawl between the cowboys and railroad men.
The cattleman, played by Willian Devane, is explaining that these cowboys
have nothing but their pride and their rules of conduct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hNnRSiM8MM

"Where are these rules written down?"

"They're not written down, ya darn fool - they're lived."

Same with the Constitution. It has to be LIVED to have any meaning.
One has to exercise these rights as endowed by The Creator or the
words on paper are meaningless. Trailboss has it exactly right.

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Stretch and Trailboss I like your thinking. We in the UK did nothing when our Constitution was ripped up, not that many even knew that we had one, unlike the folks in the USA.
However as long as you have criminals in the White House and in the rest of the government your Constitution is in jeopardy. President Trump was just beginning to turn things around by as he called it " draining the swamp" that's why such a enormous effort was made to remove him from office, the Dems didn't just not want to lose their jobs they didn't want to go to prison. Sadly folks will continue to vote for the criminals just because they've done so all their lives. It's the same over here, ask any Labour (socialist) voter why they vote that way and they'll say because I'm working class and by parents always voted for the Labour Party.... :(
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