Nosler JSP 240gr in 44 mag

[Scrumbag]

Hi folks,

I was thinking of loading some 240 gr Nosler JSP over Viht N110 for a hunting load out of a 44 mag 1892 clone.

Does anyone have any experience of this combo in a lever action?

Thanks in advance,

Scrummy

[GunnyMack]

I use the 210s in my Henry 41 mag. Accurate but I haven't had a chance to get actual field use. I also tried the Speer 210 and the XTP. The XTP is NOT up to the task at carbine velocities per Hornady tech people. Powder is Lilgun making right about 1800fps.

[piller]

Have used VVN110 in .44 Mag a couple of times. Accuracy is good in a long barrelled Super Blackhawk. It does good out of a semi-auto .44 Mag carbine. Not really any change in point of impact or group size versus using H110.

[Grizz]

if it's like the white box 240Gr commercial load, it shoots well out of the Marlin 44 Mag carbine. In my son's edition, it is the heaviest load that is reliably accurate out of the slow twist barrel.

It is a hammer on deer and has made lots of meat for our family.

[Old Savage]

Might be close.

[AJMD429]

My go-to factory load for deer has been 240 gr JSP Winchester or a reload with that bullet. Hard-cast lead (preferably gas-check) works well and MAY be less likely to shatter on bone.

[OldWin]

I use 240gr XTPs over 23gr. of IMR4227. The velocity is right around 1500 in a 16" 94 Trapper.
Gunny may be right regarding the XTP if you are driving it for all the speed you can.
I usually don't, however, and find the XTP an accurate and versatile bullet.

[JimT]

Have not used the 240 gr. but do load the Nosler 300 gr. JSP with a heavy load of H110 for hogs.
It hammers on both ends.

[CowboyTutt]

Viht powders are quality stuff when you can find it. Who cloned your '92? See no reason why a 240 grain shouldn't work in about anything in 44 mag. Its the staple bullet weight for that cartridge. Those 41 Magnums are cool stuff too, big brother to my 10mm which I have always wanted in a levergun, just loaded long and hot as can be. Always dreamed of a 10mm Casull. -Tutt

[GunnyMack]

I use 240gr XTPs over 23gr. of IMR4227. The velocity is right around 1500 in a 16" 94 Trapper.
Gunny may be right regarding the XTP if you are driving it for all the speed you can.
I usually don't, however, and find the XTP an accurate and versatile bullet.

When I was working up loads I remembered the XTPs had a velocity range and they also made an XTP MAG bullet. Just for the heck of it I called Hornady about 1800 fps using their XTP, guy said it wasn't designed for that speed and performance might be lacking. So I called Nosler and Speer. Speer said they hadn't tested to that velocity. Guy at Nosler said Where did you get a 41 mag levergun and then said sure go for it! I'm ordering a Henry 41 when I hang up with you! I thanked him. I'd really like to at least try all 3 on ballistic gel...

[CowboyTutt]

Gunny, in my limited opinion, I think you are a smart man, especially during these hard times. The 41 Mag ballistics look really good, Henry makes a fine firearm. Nice configuration too. Bit jealous. Very nice configured rifle. God Bless you Bro. -Tutt

[GunnyMack]

Thanks Tutt. I'm no different than anyone else here. I've learned a bunch and hopefully I've taught others something as well. The freedom of thoughts and ideas is what makes this the best, BEST forum on the web!

[hondo1892]

I have a 92 japchester in 44 mag. I've used Hornady 240 xtp bullets on deer. My loads were mid level loads and it dropped a deer in its tracks at seventy yards.

[OldWin]

I use 240gr XTPs over 23gr. of IMR4227. The velocity is right around 1500 in a 16" 94 Trapper.
Gunny may be right regarding the XTP if you are driving it for all the speed you can.
I usually don't, however, and find the XTP an accurate and versatile bullet.

When I was working up loads I remembered the XTPs had a velocity range and they also made an XTP MAG bullet. Just for the heck of it I called Hornady about 1800 fps using their XTP, guy said it wasn't designed for that speed and performance might be lacking. So I called Nosler and Speer. Speer said they hadn't tested to that velocity. Guy at Nosler said Where did you get a 41 mag levergun and then said sure go for it! I'm ordering a Henry 41 when I hang up with you! I thanked him. I'd really like to at least try all 3 on ballistic gel...

I have shot deer with the .44 200gr. XTP at 1520fps with good results. They slow down fast with so much cross section, but I'm sure on the upper end they will break up.
In my case, I load one 44 load, and use it in both handgun and rifle, so it's a compromise.
If it was only for rifle, I may have done something different.
Same with .357.

[GunnyMack]

Hindi and OW are correct. Sure the load I worked up is faster than these bullets were designed for but they are slowing down rather quickly to the designed velocity range. 50-100 probably just perfect, 25 & under I might be a bit worried. All 3 makes shot about the same accuracy wise, I wouldn't really worry about it and if I was I'd make darn sure of the shot I'd take on game.

Years ago I used a 300 XTP on a rather large hog, shot was about 15 yards through the lungs. The pig didn't react at the shot and walked about 15-20 yards and fell over. Hole going in was .44 coming out about 3/4" . That was out of my Ruger carbine so velocity was a bit higher but not a lot.

[Grizz]

I think the 240s for the 444 are heavier built, or i think i thought that. or did i make it up?

I suppose that's part of why i switched to hard lead. it's already the size of an expanded .270

and ya know, a 270 is almost a 30/06

[Scrumbag]

Sorry folks,

I left this alone for too long. Will reply now.

Scrummy

[Scrumbag]

I use the 210s in my Henry 41 mag. Accurate but I haven't had a chance to get actual field use. I also tried the Speer 210 and the XTP. The XTP is NOT up to the task at carbine velocities per Hornady tech people. Powder is Lilgun making right about 1800fps.

I had got that feed back for both the Hornady XTP and the Sierra JHC so I was going to stay away from "Hollow points" for use at carbine impact velocities. Thanks for the cooboration.

Scrummy

[Scrumbag]

Have used VVN110 in .44 Mag a couple of times. Accuracy is good in a long barrelled Super Blackhawk. It does good out of a semi-auto .44 Mag carbine. Not really any change in point of impact or group size versus using H110.

Thanks Piller. N110 is easier and cheaper to get here. Also a bit more flexible when it comes to working up a load it seems. (Bigger spread between min and max).

Scrummy

[Scrumbag]

if it's like the white box 240Gr commercial load, it shoots well out of the Marlin 44 Mag carbine. In my son's edition, it is the heaviest load that is reliably accurate out of the slow twist barrel.

It is a hammer on deer and has made lots of meat for our family.

Luckily my barrel is a 1:20 twist so should be OK.

Scrummy

[Scrumbag]

Might be close.

That's impressive! Would you mind sharing your load data? PM would be fine and I of course understand that useage would be at my own risk.

[Scrumbag]

Viht powders are quality stuff when you can find it. Who cloned your '92? See no reason why a 240 grain shouldn't work in about anything in 44 mag. Its the staple bullet weight for that cartridge. Those 41 Magnums are cool stuff too, big brother to my 10mm which I have always wanted in a levergun, just loaded long and hot as can be. Always dreamed of a 10mm Casull. -Tutt

Hi CowboyTutt.

It's a 20" barrelled Chiappa Alaskan

Currently with a Leupold 2.5x28 Scout Scope



Skinner carry case:





Reckon should be good for a cleaning kit / rod and an MTM box of 50 rds.



And when you unpack it:





And out on the range:



Hoping to develop a plinking load (240gr cast lead RNFP and Unique) and a hunting load (Current thinking is 240 gr Nosler JSP over H110 or N110 but might end up going Swift A-Frame or Maybe Hornady Interlock 265gr)

Best wishes,

Scrummy

[Scrumbag]

I use 240gr XTPs over 23gr. of IMR4227. The velocity is right around 1500 in a 16" 94 Trapper.
Gunny may be right regarding the XTP if you are driving it for all the speed you can.
I usually don't, however, and find the XTP an accurate and versatile bullet.

When I was working up loads I remembered the XTPs had a velocity range and they also made an XTP MAG bullet. Just for the heck of it I called Hornady about 1800 fps using their XTP, guy said it wasn't designed for that speed and performance might be lacking. So I called Nosler and Speer. Speer said they hadn't tested to that velocity. Guy at Nosler said Where did you get a 41 mag levergun and then said sure go for it! I'm ordering a Henry 41 when I hang up with you! I thanked him. I'd really like to at least try all 3 on ballistic gel...

Always helpful to have data!

[Scrumbag]

I have a 92 japchester in 44 mag. I've used Hornady 240 xtp bullets on deer. My loads were mid level loads and it dropped a deer in its tracks at seventy yards.

Ah, for the hunting laws where I am I need to be running them fairly quickly to make the muzzle energy requirement (I don't doubt a mid-power load would be perfectly effective but trying to stay withing the law).

Scrummy

[Scrumbag]

I use 240gr XTPs over 23gr. of IMR4227. The velocity is right around 1500 in a 16" 94 Trapper.
Gunny may be right regarding the XTP if you are driving it for all the speed you can.
I usually don't, however, and find the XTP an accurate and versatile bullet.

When I was working up loads I remembered the XTPs had a velocity range and they also made an XTP MAG bullet. Just for the heck of it I called Hornady about 1800 fps using their XTP, guy said it wasn't designed for that speed and performance might be lacking. So I called Nosler and Speer. Speer said they hadn't tested to that velocity. Guy at Nosler said Where did you get a 41 mag levergun and then said sure go for it! I'm ordering a Henry 41 when I hang up with you! I thanked him. I'd really like to at least try all 3 on ballistic gel...

I have shot deer with the .44 200gr. XTP at 1520fps with good results. They slow down fast with so much cross section, but I'm sure on the upper end they will break up.
In my case, I load one 44 load, and use it in both handgun and rifle, so it's a compromise.
If it was only for rifle, I may have done something different.
Same with .357.

OW I would agree the loads in 44 mag almost certainly don't need to be so powerful to be effective, just that pesky law.

Scrummy

[Old Savage]

Scrum, the 44 May on that target is Winchester factory white box 240 gr. Happens to work in that rifle.

[Scrumbag]

Scrum, the 44 May on that target is Winchester factory white box 240 gr. Happens to work in that rifle.

Thanks very much.

[Scrumbag]

Well folks, finally got around to trying the N110 and 240 gr JSP load through a load ladder.



Seems to be about the spot so will load up some more around there and give them a try.

Load is a Nosler 240gr JSP, N110 powder, PPU case and a Magtech Large Pistol Primer

ATB,

Scrummy

[Bronco]

With all these powder recommendations, am I behind the times using 2400 in my 44 ???

[stretch]

With all these powder recommendations, am I behind the times using 2400 in my 44 ???

Not in my eyes......

You might not get the absolute highest velocity with 2400 as opposed to one of the flavors of 110,
but if you have an accurate load that's powerful enough, there's no reason not to stay with it. I like
2400 a lot for 357 Mag revolver loads. I've not loaded 44 Mag/Special with 2400 yet. 2400 is more
perhaps more versatile, so if you don't want to stock a bunch of different powders....

-Stretch

[piller]

I just haven't found 2400 in my area. Nothing against it. If you have it, I cannot see any reason to ignore it for something else.

[Bronco]

I have plenty of 2400. Been happy with it for years! Just thought I might be getting behind the times.
I use it in the .410, M1 carbine, 357 and the 44. It will load to about all I want to handle in the 44 mag.
I am getting about 1350 fps in the 7.5" Redhawk and 1750 in the 24" Marlin using a 300 gr hard cast!
My thinking has always been to store as few types of powder that will work with what I have. But am always checking my thought process and conclusions!

[Scrumbag]

I have plenty of 2400. Been happy with it for years! Just thought I might be getting behind the times.
I use it in the .410, M1 carbine, 357 and the 44. It will load to about all I want to handle in the 44 mag.
I am getting about 1350 fps in the 7.5" Redhawk and 1750 in the 24" Marlin using a 300 gr hard cast!
My thinking has always been to store as few types of powder that will work with what I have. But am always checking my thought process and conclusions!

Big believer in handsome is as handsome does aka it ain't dumb if it works...

Scrummy

[piller]

Just my opinion, so it might be the same as all opinions and be of little value. 2400 has been around and used for years. It is still listed in reloading manuals. That shows it to be safe. If you have some, try it, and it shows itself to be accurate out of your gun in the load you choose, then use it. You can try different powders, but accuracy is the primary need. A few fps either way due to another powder is not as important as accuracy.