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Duplicating Buffalo Bore loads

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This video was very interesting.  He duplicated the Buffalo Bore 180 grain 357 mag woods load.   I was shocked by the huge Standard Deviation on "factory ammo".  BBs load is .8 grains above Hodgens listed max for Lil Gun.


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In the strong actions, for example 586/686 or GP100, it probably is well within the margin of safety. Older or weaker actions might loosen up too fast with it. Just my opinion. I would be cautious, but I would never have invented the .44 Magnum. Too much caution.
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That load is a dandy in a Rossi 92.
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The 92 is a strong action, way stronger than a .357 or .44 Magnum requires. Once I am working again, I plan on saving up for a model 92 in .357 Magnum. That will make a good handful of pistol/rifle combinations with the same cartridge. .22 lr up to something that spits 410 grain bullets out around 900 fps in the pistol and 1100 fps in the carbine. The .357 would be just about in the middle.
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piller wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:43 pm That will make a good handful of pistol/rifle combinations with the same cartridge. .22 lr up to something that spits 410 grain bullets out around 900 fps in the pistol and 1100 fps in the carbine.
Piller, tell me more about this load :D I have some 250gr cast I need to load and try.
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At what point does velocity and knock down power trump accuracy? I've never understood the many people I see attempting to wring out every bit of velocity and pressure a gun can handle? Especially so when a little less power is usually more accurate, and the game is just as dead when hit with it.
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3leggedturtle wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:12 am
piller wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:43 pm That will make a good handful of pistol/rifle combinations with the same cartridge. .22 lr up to something that spits 410 grain bullets out around 900 fps in the pistol and 1100 fps in the carbine.
Piller, tell me more about this load :D I have some 250gr cast I need to load and try.
.480 Ruger with a 410 grain LBT style bullet in Wide Flat Nose. Can be run a little faster, but 900 fps in the revolver gives best accuracy for me. I use H110/W296, but the L'il Gun gives more velocity while losing accuracy and producing a lot more heat.
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14.7 grains of LG is the most accurate for me under the LBT 180 WFN. I also found that velocity dropped off after 15 grains on my chrony chart.
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i don't know if this is a fact, but i seem to recall that maybe some BB loads have duplex powder charges. or not, idk...

I've shot a BTB 180gr 357 load from my 94 and from my daughter's snub smith. could easily harvest deer with the snubby. Blaine hit the gong with it, no problemo. He's a good shot. :D
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Duplex loads are not something I have messed with. I understand the principle, but I am somewhat concerned with my ability to put it into practice while getting the volume right for a slightly compressed load to prevent powder mixing.
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I played with both Garrett and Buffalo Bore rounds. If I need to supercharge a round, I'll get a bigger gun. I still have most of a box of Garretts in 45/70. I'm not hunting elephants and rhinos. For pretty much anything in the area's I visit the various hollow points work well.
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I have heard of pigs getting giant sized, but the ones I have seen are well within the capabilities of most common levergun calibers. I have seen one member here take a pig with a double rifle in .405 Winchester. He did it for the fun, and not because the pig was a giant. It was somewhere around 300 pounds if memory is correct, but it was not one of those mythical 800 pounders. Using what you want for the fun of it is something that we all should do once in a while.
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Tycer wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:33 pm 14.7 grains of LG is the most accurate for me under the LBT 180 WFN. I also found that velocity dropped off after 15 grains on my chrony chart.
Chronyd the 14.7 out of a 4” new model 66 this weekend. 1200+ Very accurate out of my gun. Busting clays at 75 yards. More than 50% I think were hits although just getting near them shattered them to pieces.
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marlinman93 wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:03 pm At what point does velocity and knock down power trump accuracy? I've never understood the many people I see attempting to wring out every bit of velocity and pressure a gun can handle? Especially so when a little less power is usually more accurate, and the game is just as dead when hit with it.

Agreed, if I have to push the 357 hard, it is easier to reach for the 35 Remington. If that doesn't work, there is a 350 Rem Mag and a 35 whelen there too.
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buckeyeshooter wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:51 am Agreed, if I have to push the 357 hard, it is easier to reach for the 35 Remington. If that doesn't work, there is a 350 Rem Mag and a 35 whelen there too.
I think I am seeing a pattern here.
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Seriously, that Buffalo Bore load is quite accurate and useful if all you have is a .357. A 180 grain WFN at those velocities is nothing to sneeze at.
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.480 Ruger with a 410 grain LBT style bullet in Wide Flat Nose. Can be run a little faster, but 900 fps in the revolver gives best accuracy for me.
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If the .35 Remington is not enough, then I have one of those funny looking side levers in 30-06. For close range critters which consider me to be a potential meal, I have a Guide Gun with a Skinner sight. For occasional use, It can stand up to some pretty stout loads. Nothing over reloading manual loads for lever action firearms, but the top end of those loads would probably be rough on a Marlin style action if it were a steady diet. There are not any elephants, rhinos, or hippos in the wild near me.
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Piller, the guide gun with anything over 475 Gr does not need a hot load to be a stopper if that's needed. My 525Gr load at around 1400 fps is easy shooting, easy on the gun, and far less recoil than, say, a 425Gr bullet at 1750 or higher. And the forensic damage is remarkable. My load shoots through 12 one gallon water jugs. I know I know, I'm all set for stopping charging water jugs.

But water tests, hammer tests, and TKO comparisons all concur that heavy loads do not need to be pushed anywhere near SAAMI limits to do what they do best.

I have a video that I can't put up here, but I could email you a copy maybe if your email and my email could handle the file size... or I could send it on a thumb drive. Sneaker net.

PS. I "think" that 45/70 loads have been upscaled in a 458 Win Mag for testing purposes. And I think I recall that the 458 shot at its pressure limit penetrated less than the 45/70 loads. I think. Blaine? Any recall? I think this came up somewhere in the past...
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PS. I "think" that 45/70 loads have been upscaled in a 458 Win Mag for testing purposes. And I think I recall that the 458 shot at its pressure limit penetrated less than the 45/70 loads. I think. Blaine? Any recall? I think this came up somewhere in the past...
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I wonder if a man might be better off with that 180 bullet at around 1100 FPS out of a handgun and about 1400 in a levergun? You can do that with about 12 gr of 2400 and not bend anything.
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I ordered a bunch of NOE 180 gr WFNGC from Montana Bullet Company. When they get here, I'll try out that 12 gr 2400 load and the 14.7 gr LG load and see what works best.
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Scott, I've been shooting a Saeco 180gr gc'ed RNFP bullets I cast over 13grs of new 2400. Out of a 20" levergun its averaged 1670fps.
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3leggedturtle wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:39 am Scott, I've been shooting a Saeco 180gr gc'ed RNFP bullets I cast over 13grs of new 2400. Out of a 20" levergun its averaged 1670fps.
Thanks, that sounds like a real good starting place.
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