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New scoop/dipper.....

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This thing really works well..... I have to use a larger bowl of powder than with the lee dippers to get the scooping arc but it works as advertised.....


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What powder, caliber and charge weights have you done so far? Todd/3leg
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Re: New scoop/dipper.....

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I kind of like the looks of that tool, but I have never been able to get consistent results with a dipper.
Is there a good technique that might help with that?

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That's funny! I've got some 150 yr. old dippers that work exactly the same, except made of brass with wood handles. I'm sure whoever makes those must have seen an old one at some time.
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I've had pretty good luck with the Lee dippers. Just takes a little practice to become consistent. I wouldn't use them to load match grade ammunition without weighing each charge, but for pistol, plinking and shorter range stuff, they work well for me.
Ray, that LMF looks like a nice tool.
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3leggedturtle wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:08 am
What powder, caliber and charge weights have you done so far? Todd/3leg
I have used it in various pistol/revolver loads with bullseye, reddot, and 2400 where the lee .3cc, .5cc, .7cc and 1.0cc are too little or too much for those particular loads.
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J Miller wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:55 pm
I kind of like the looks of that tool, but I have never been able to get consistent results with a dipper.
Is there a good technique that might help with that?

Joe
I do a gentle, sweeping, down and then up arcing scoop then carefully scrape level with the wall of the empty cartridge that is next to fill.....

dick lee and dean grennell developed the lee precision kosher method of lowering dipper into powder and letting it fill on its own volition by letting gravity and weight of powder do the filling but that never worked for me.....
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There has been a bit of a learning curve with this new dipper. It is just enough longer in the handle and rounder in the barrel to require a much larger powder container. Which is fine if I'm using powder out of an eight pound keg but not so good out of a single pound that has had some use out of it.

So I developed a technique using my normal little plastic gelatin/pudding bowl borrowed from the kitchen.

Weigh desired charge on scale. Open dipper deeper than needed and pour charge from scale pan into dipper. Slowly raise barrel, diminishing volume until charge is level with mouth of dipper. Scoop a few and verify on scale.

Now this is how I'm able to still use my wee little powder container......I use a larger volume lee dipper than I need in right hand and new adjustable dipper in left hand. Scoop and pour with larger volume than needed lee into fancy new dipper then gently strike/swipe excess "mound" of powder even with the barrel of plastic dipper.
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The most accurate ammo I ever loaded was 6mm Remington using a Lee powder dipper and their ‘Target’ loading kit that was the same little ‘whack-with-a-mallet’ kit but had an inside neck reamer and micrometer seating die. With my Ruger M77V I could cloverleaf 10 shots at 100 yards into a half inch every time.

I had a powder weighing scale but couldn’t see any difference in accuracy using it versus the dippers (...maybe I just couldn’t shoot enough better to notice...) so I just used the dipper most of the time.

In fact, using IMR 4831 I could literally just dip the cases into a big bowl of powder, shake them to level it off, then dump ‘just enough to empty the case neck’ and get loads that would do an inch at 100 yards.

I’ll always wonder if that was an extremely lucky and accurate rifle or what. The muzzle blast with that powder was huge, so I figured maybe it ‘metered’ simply by only so much being able to burn in the 24” of barrel...

Anyhow after that I was impressed enough with using volume as the way to meter powder that I only weigh charges when developing the load; after I determine the appropriate charge, I use volume from then on.

Although I know precision shooters (which I am most definitely NOT) weigh charges much of the time,I can’t imagine the various ‘match ammo’ companies use anything but volume, and they turn out some great ammo.

I think that precision seating into an inside-neck-reamed case was the key; that plus a great heavy barrel. I think Ruger contracted the M77V barrels out to Douglas during the 1970’s (tang-safety era).
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Yeah doc, the stick powders like you mention level-off with just a tap of a finger or a shake of the wrist but smaller charges of ball or flake are more repeatable with a gentle, leveling swipe of a business card or knife blade, etc.
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Re: New scoop/dipper.....

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Ray, thanks for that link, I just ordered one. I like my lee dippers but I'm never able to throw the exact charge I want, always have to finish with a trickler. Maybe this will speed things up a bit.
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Got mine yesterday, seems worth the money spent.
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