OT- 257 Weatherby Magnum ??????

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OT- 257 Weatherby Magnum ??????

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Hey All,
Just wondering if any of you have a 257 Weatherby Mag. What are your likes and dislikes with it? What brand is it built on? ( Weatherby, Remington, Winchester, etc, etc) What weight bullets do you shoot? (100?-120?) How's the recoil and blast? As compared to something else.....25-06, 7mm Magnum, etc.

Looking for alot of opinions from different folks, to inform myself before purchasing one.

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I've got one and love it. Mine is a Weatherby mark V with 26" no. 2 contour. The recoil isn't bad about like the 7mm mag. class and the blast is about the same as a 7 mm or 300 mag. As for bullets use NOSLER they work great in this round. I've used both 100 gr. and 120 gr. partitions and I've had good luck with the 100 gr. b. tip noslers too.The neat thing I've seen is the 257 isn't fussy about loads I've seen three different mark V's shoot different bullet weights and loads to pretty much the same sight setting. It was also, Roy Weatherby's favorite round. I would recommend the mark V as the best choice because Weatherby had it made to withstand the pressure of these rounds and it is a great action and has a look other bolt rifle's just don't have.
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No question, a Weatherby platform is the only way to go. Weatherby has probably sold more ultra velocity rifles than everyone else combined. To my knowledge, no one else can offer you the long freebore for extra fps, while maintaining such exacting accuracy. In my opinion, their stock design is the best at mitigating recoil.

Both my .257 & my 7mm Wby. are Mark V's. Felt recoil is similiar to my Ruger .270, & less than my Mod. 70 .264. Both are quite accurate with a variety of factory ammo. I have been unable to meet or exceed Weatherby ballistics from the loading bench. I haver shot a .257 in the Vanguard model, although others tell me that its a bargain.

Weatherby is currently offering a special .257 to its website members. Orders will be taken until Sept. 10, I believe. I don't know any other particulars.

Let me close by saying that firing a .257 Wby. at something very far away, cannot help but bring a smile to your face. You squeeze the trigger, & that bullet is on the target so fast, that it's difficult to comprehend.

The best of luck with your purchase.

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I never quite understood the freebore concept in weatherbys. Is it to allow loading beyond max loads by seating the bullet further out?
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Just a FWIW for you to consider: The .25-06 has been my favorite deer caliber for years. I am certain I have killed over 100 white tail deer with mine in different guns. Of those, not one - not a single deer - has taken more than 4 or 5 steps.

The only animal that did not was a Mouflon Ram. I shot, it fell, I looked down to grab my pack up. When I looked up it was walking off and a snap shot dropped it again, this time for good. Later necropsy showed that the first shot was too high... just under the spine, but barely took out the tops of the lungs. Second shot was a (lucky) heart shot. I have shot deer with 7mm, the vaunted .270 Win, .45-70, .444, etc, etc, etc and every one has allowed a mortally wounded deer to run off - sometimes 20 yards, sometimes 100+ yards. Not the .25-06. Not one time.

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jimincolo wrote: I haver shot a .257 in the Vanguard model, although others tell me that its a bargain.
I have had a couple of the Vanguard's in .300 WBY mag and .30-'06. Mine have been very accurate rifles and i was extremely pleased with the choice, regardless of the price. The '06 was a Wal Mart rifle, -- i asked the clerk to bring out every one from their back room, and i selected the one with the tightest test target (1/2" cloverleaf group) -- and the rifle consistently stays at 1" to 1.25" when i zero it (usually from a wobbly wood shooting bench)-- which i consider very nice shooting for a stock rifle with a super skinny barrel

If money was no object, i would get a Lazermark Mark V with a signature Weatherby wood stock , but i have been darn happy with the VG's and hope to add one of their "Tactical" rifles (based on a sub-MOA Vanguard model) to the stable soon, but i also have been holding out for a .257 and that is not chambered in that particular rifle yet.
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Timothy,

As I understand the concept, extra freebore relieves an initial pressure spike that occurs if the bullet contacts the rifling too quickly. This translates to being able to add more powder to the casing. Of course, seating the bullet out also adds to case capacity. I would guess that the bullet is entering the rifling at higher speed, since it was launched without the constricting effects of rifling.
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Markbo,

I know a bunch of 25-06 lovers, & some are primarily elk hunters. I have never owned one, although it is on my "must do" list. It offers a lot of performance with so little recoil.

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It's okay but I have a soft spot for the .264 win. and a dislike for the 7mm mags yet one of my most accurate rifles is a 7x61S&H.
But with light bullets 120/125 the .264 is just as fast or faster than the .257 . But the .257WBY in a 26'' barrel is the best .257 cal going as to power and ya it's over bore but who cares!
I also like the 25/06 never owned one yet :D
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Go for the .257WBY it's loud, flat shooting burns lot's of powder and them kind of guns are just fun!
If you can afford to buy a WBY you can play and like I said them uber mags are fun too play with and work up loads and if you have a solid rest any Deer at 300+ yards is toast.
Note I said solid rest critter not even knowing your there, they are great long range guns.
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Streetstar wrote:
jimincolo wrote: I haver shot a .257 in the Vanguard model, although others tell me that its a bargain.
I have had a couple of the Vanguard's in .300 WBY mag and .30-'06. Mine have been very accurate rifles and i was extremely pleased with the choice, regardless of the price. The '06 was a Wal Mart rifle, -- i asked the clerk to bring out every one from their back room, and i selected the one with the tightest test target (1/2" cloverleaf group) -- and the rifle consistently stays at 1" to 1.25" when i zero it (usually from a wobbly wood shooting bench)-- which i consider very nice shooting for a stock rifle with a super skinny barrel

If money was no object, i would get a Lazermark Mark V with a signature Weatherby wood stock , but i have been darn happy with the VG's and hope to add one of their "Tactical" rifles (based on a sub-MOA Vanguard model) to the stable soon, but i also have been holding out for a .257 and that is not chambered in that particular rifle yet.
I have never seen a Weatherby not shoot good I know they have a big rep, but that is all it was to me a rep. But after shooting many even the bottom of the line plastic stock 7mm 08. I have to say every WBY I have shot or seen shot has been very good above the Norm.
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I've never owned one but I have reloaded for it a fair amount using 100 gr. Sierra's for my brother-in-law who has an early Southgate, Cal. Weatherby. He has shot a mess of deer with it and each one never took another step.

I examined a few of these deer he shot and consider the cartridge extremely destructive, often destroying the meat in a 10" circle, shooting pieces of bone all through the animal.

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I've got a 25-06 in a Ruger #1B that I like well enough and have had a number of other 25-06's .

But I really really really want a Weatherby Mark V DeLuxe in 257 Weatherby Magnum with the 26" #2 barrel !

I've already got dies and some brass waiting for me to find a nice used one !

The Nosler 115 BT and the Hornady 117 SST are calling to me to be loaded for that one :wink:
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brno602 wrote:It's okay but I have a soft spot for the .264 win. .
But with light bullets 120/125 the .264 is just as fast or faster than the .257 . But the .257WBY in a 26'' barrel is the best .257 cal going as to power and ya it's over bore but who cares!

I'm partial to the 264 WIN MAG as well !

Matter of fact I bought the 4th rifle I've ever had for that round about 6 weeks ago ! Got one of the NEW Ruger #1B's in 264 WIN MAG . Tried my handloads I had for the Remington 700BDL Stainless Synthetic 264 WIN MAG . And shot a 3 shot group at 100 yards of .311" !
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The 275 is the only Weatherby caliber I really like, although I am tolerant of the 300. I've seen the 257 W used on dozens of animals and it is a good, consistent performer with Nosler Partitions in 120 gr. I think it is very versatile if you load because you can load it down with 90 gr for varmint sized stuff and a good 120 grain will work when applied properly on stuff up to and including elk. It is a very flat shooting cartridge and sighted in high at 100 yds it is possible to have a little over 400 yds or range without the bullet hitting more/less than 3" from line of aim. I don't find the recoil more than a 270 or 30-06 and I always wear earplugs so I can't comment on the noise without them. Some of our clients have recently purchased the $299 Weatherby rifle and the $399 Weatherby rifle. I think there is an advertising campaign using the prices as slogans. For one all around western rifle the 257 Weatherby is hard to beat.
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$299 Weatherby rifles? In .257 W? Where?!?!? I don't care which grade they are for that price! I bought a .300 WSM Vanguard a couple years ago and it is an easy sub MOA shooter.
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Think maybe the $299 is that deal where you can win a hunt (sweepstakes)for as little as $299 :?:
Kinda a confusing ad at first glance!

About the cheapest I have seen any of the Vanguards on sale is $379 :wink:
I do know they make a shotgun (PA-08) for $299 (nice gun)
$299 for a new .257 Weatherby Vanguard would be a absolute smokin deal for sure!
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Well I'm not exactly LOOKING for one, but $379 for a Weatherby in .257 W ain't bad and they are sure to be good shooters.
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6pt-sika wrote:
brno602 wrote:It's okay but I have a soft spot for the .264 win. .
But with light bullets 120/125 the .264 is just as fast or faster than the .257 . But the .257WBY in a 26'' barrel is the best .257 cal going as to power and ya it's over bore but who cares!

I'm partial to the 264 WIN MAG as well !

Matter of fact I bought the 4th rifle I've ever had for that round about 6 weeks ago ! Got one of the NEW Ruger #1B's in 264 WIN MAG . Tried my handloads I had for the Remington 700BDL Stainless Synthetic 264 WIN MAG . And shot a 3 shot group at 100 yards of .311" !
I can shoot a .311 group with one shot from my .303lol!
But I really do believe in a 26'' barrel for the .257 and .264 and even the 7mm mags to burn all that slow powder and gain something over the .270 .280 or 6.5/06. But ya gota love that 140to 160gr 6.5mm bullet a 6.5x55 with a 140gr makes a great hunt everything from WT to Moose round, now push it 400+fps faster and you have a low recoil game stopper.
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brno602 wrote:
6pt-sika wrote:
brno602 wrote:It's okay but I have a soft spot for the .264 win. .
But with light bullets 120/125 the .264 is just as fast or faster than the .257 . But the .257WBY in a 26'' barrel is the best .257 cal going as to power and ya it's over bore but who cares!

I'm partial to the 264 WIN MAG as well !

Matter of fact I bought the 4th rifle I've ever had for that round about 6 weeks ago ! Got one of the NEW Ruger #1B's in 264 WIN MAG . Tried my handloads I had for the Remington 700BDL Stainless Synthetic 264 WIN MAG . And shot a 3 shot group at 100 yards of .311" !
I can shoot a .311 group with one shot from my .303lol!
But I really do believe in a 26'' barrel for the .257 and .264 and even the 7mm mags to burn all that slow powder and gain something over the .270 .280 or 6.5/06. But ya gota love that 140to 160gr 6.5mm bullet a 6.5x55 with a 140gr makes a great hunt everything from WT to Moose round, now push it 400+fps faster and you have a low recoil game stopper.
While they shoot well in my 260 REM , 6.5-06 and other 264's I've had in the past , I don't really care for the 6.5mm 140 grain bullets . I use the Nosler 125 Partition in my 260 REM and the Hornady 129 SST in the 6.5-06 and 264 WIN MAG .

I generally go 129/130 in the 264 MAG , 150 in the 7 MAG , 165 in the 300 MAG's and 210 in the 338 MAG .
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6pt-sika wrote:
brno602 wrote:
6pt-sika wrote:
brno602 wrote:It's okay but I have a soft spot for the .264 win. .
But with light bullets 120/125 the .264 is just as fast or faster than the .257 . But the .257WBY in a 26'' barrel is the best .257 cal going as to power and ya it's over bore but who cares!

I'm partial to the 264 WIN MAG as well !

Matter of fact I bought the 4th rifle I've ever had for that round about 6 weeks ago ! Got one of the NEW Ruger #1B's in 264 WIN MAG . Tried my handloads I had for the Remington 700BDL Stainless Synthetic 264 WIN MAG . And shot a 3 shot group at 100 yards of .311" !
I can shoot a .311 group with one shot from my .303lol!
But I really do believe in a 26'' barrel for the .257 and .264 and even the 7mm mags to burn all that slow powder and gain something over the .270 .280 or 6.5/06. But ya gota love that 140to 160gr 6.5mm bullet a 6.5x55 with a 140gr makes a great hunt everything from WT to Moose round, now push it 400+fps faster and you have a low recoil game stopper.
While they shoot well in my 260 REM , 6.5-06 and other 264's I've had in the past , I don't really care for the 6.5mm 140 grain bullets . I use the Nosler 125 Partition in my 260 REM and the Hornady 129 SST in the 6.5-06 and 264 WIN MAG .

I generally go 129/130 in the 264 MAG , 150 in the 7 MAG , 165 in the 300 MAG's and 210 in the 338 MAG .
I am the other way I always like heavy for cal bullets and stick to 140 in 6.5 and 160 in 7mm and 200 gr bullets in the .300 Mag cals and for .338 see no reason to go lighter than 250 in the big .338 that's what it is made for to throw big heavy bullets. But then in the smaller guns so much has to do with the rifling twist my 7x57 is 1/9 and a 1/4 and will not shot well with light bullets.
But that Hornady 129gr 6.5 is a good one that shoots well in almost all my 6.5s.
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brno602 wrote:
6pt-sika wrote: While they shoot well in my 260 REM , 6.5-06 and other 264's I've had in the past , I don't really care for the 6.5mm 140 grain bullets . I use the Nosler 125 Partition in my 260 REM and the Hornady 129 SST in the 6.5-06 and 264 WIN MAG .

I generally go 129/130 in the 264 MAG , 150 in the 7 MAG , 165 in the 300 MAG's and 210 in the 338 MAG .
I am the other way I always like heavy for cal bullets and stick to 140 in 6.5 and 160 in 7mm and 200 gr bullets in the .300 Mag cals and for .338 see no reason to go lighter than 250 in the big .338 that's what it is made for to throw big heavy bullets. But then in the smaller guns so much has to do with the rifling twist my 7x57 is 1/9 and a 1/4 and will not shot well with light bullets.
But that Hornady 129gr 6.5 is a good one that shoots well in almost all my 6.5s.
Heck I shoot the now discontinued Nosler 260 BT in my 375 H&H MAG and only the Speer 350 in my 416 REM MAG :D
With jacketed I likes SPEED !

Now leveractions are another story !

I'm hung up right now on cast 400 grainers for one of my Marlin 444's and I recently got a Ballisti Cast 462-550GC mold for one of my Marlin 45-70's !
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Brno602 , I have a buddy you would like !

He pig hunts Arkansas every year and his battery for down there is a CZ550 in 375 H&H MAG loaded with a Nosler 300 Partition handload for the little piggies , for medium piggies he has another CZ550 in 416 Rigby that I handload Nosler 400 Partitions for and finally his BIG piggie rifle is another CZ550 in 505 Gibbs and I load that one with Barnes 525 TSX bullets .

I don't mind working loads for his 375 or 416 but that 505 gets a bit obnoxiouse sometimes :lol:

I'm trying my best to get him to buy another CZ550 in 450 Rigby Magnum which is nothing more then the 416 Rigby necked up !
But I think he's got his eye on a CZ550 in 458 WIN MAG instead .

Incidently we've been hunting Damage Control Permits on a friends peach orchard for the last week . We have both deer and bear permits .
I'm carrying the light rifle with a 444 Marlin . My friend has been carrying his 505 and the other guy thats hunting with us has been carrying a 458 WIN MAG on a Remington 798 .
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6pt-sika wrote:Brno602 , I have a buddy you would like !

He pig hunts Arkansas every year and his battery for down there is a CZ550 in 375 H&H MAG loaded with a Nosler 300 Partition handload for the little piggies , for medium piggies he has another CZ550 in 416 Rigby that I handload Nosler 400 Partitions for and finally his BIG piggie rifle is another CZ550 in 505 Gibbs and I load that one with Barnes 525 TSX bullets .

I don't mind working loads for his 375 or 416 but that 505 gets a bit obnoxiouse sometimes :lol:

I'm trying my best to get him to buy another CZ550 in 450 Rigby Magnum which is nothing more then the 416 Rigby necked up !
But I think he's got his eye on a CZ550 in 458 WIN MAG instead .

Incidently we've been hunting Damage Control Permits on a friends peach orchard for the last week . We have both deer and bear permits .
I'm carrying the light rifle with a 444 Marlin . My friend has been carrying his 505 and the other guy thats hunting with us has been carrying a 458 WIN MAG on a Remington 798 .
After shooting a 460 WBY this year I know my limit is the .375 for comfort.
But when I win the lotto and go to Africa I will buy a new 450.
Tell your friend to get the Lott or 450 & make use of that big long action.
How is the wood on the 798 I find them as having a soft finish.
P.S I find the 300 Sav enough for any critter I might hunt but do like my big rifles too.
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brno602 wrote:
6pt-sika wrote:Brno602 , I have a buddy you would like !

He pig hunts Arkansas every year and his battery for down there is a CZ550 in 375 H&H MAG loaded with a Nosler 300 Partition handload for the little piggies , for medium piggies he has another CZ550 in 416 Rigby that I handload Nosler 400 Partitions for and finally his BIG piggie rifle is another CZ550 in 505 Gibbs and I load that one with Barnes 525 TSX bullets .

I don't mind working loads for his 375 or 416 but that 505 gets a bit obnoxiouse sometimes :lol:

I'm trying my best to get him to buy another CZ550 in 450 Rigby Magnum which is nothing more then the 416 Rigby necked up !
But I think he's got his eye on a CZ550 in 458 WIN MAG instead .

Incidently we've been hunting Damage Control Permits on a friends peach orchard for the last week . We have both deer and bear permits .
I'm carrying the light rifle with a 444 Marlin . My friend has been carrying his 505 and the other guy thats hunting with us has been carrying a 458 WIN MAG on a Remington 798 .
After shooting a 460 WBY this year I know my limit is the .375 for comfort.
But when I win the lotto and go to Africa I will buy a new 450.
Tell your friend to get the Lott or 450 & make use of that big long action.
How is the wood on the 798 I find them as having a soft finish.
P.S I find the 300 Sav enough for any critter I might hunt but do like my big rifles too.
The 798 is a laminated job so I haven't given it alot of time . But it seems okay .

We have a 458 Lott in the shop for sale with a big old doggy dick (muzzle brake) on the barrel . I have no need for that thing !

My own personal battery has a 375 H&H MAG and a 416 REM MAG both in Ruger #1H's . I "thought" I needed a 458 WIN MAG in a Ruger #1H but after I got one I was WRONG , that thing with full power 500 grainers would kick the fire out of most anything . My 375 and 416 can be handled but that 458 just plain hurt from the bench . I sold it on Gunbroker for a $100 profit shortly after I bought it !
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I've owned a number of Weatherby's - real ones, Mark V, not the Howa made Vanguard - and will always have at least a couple of them in my cabinet.

When I finally get enough money together to buy a Weatherby Mark V Deluxe, it will likely be chambered in .257 Weatherby, unless the 270 Weatherby bug hits me again. The 257 Weatherby is a good flat shooting cartridge, and the Mark V Weatherby rifle is a very good rifle to shoot it from.

Now, before the Vanguard fans come after me, let me say, Howa has always made good serviceable rifles. I like them now, liked them when they were stamped Smith and Wesson, and liked them when stamped Howa. They copy the Remington 700 action well and, when made for Weatherby, tend to be a tad more accurate than when marketed under other names. The actions use opposing dual locking lugs, which are easier to mate to the receiver on lock-up than 9 or 6 locking lugs, and as a result can be made to shoot more accurate than the Mark V action for less money. They are a good rifle, just like a Ruger 77 and Remington 700s are good rifles. But for me, when I buy my Weatherby Deluxe, it better be a Mark V.

In the mean time, I've also been tempted, because of price and accuracy, to buy a Vanguard in .257 Weatherby. What the heck, a knock around rifle that will shoot sub-minute and deliver the goods way beyond any range that I can shoot can't be all that bad. :D
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Thank you all for your opinions and observations. I'm still in the looking around phase. However I may keep my 25-06 that I have been shooting as of late. I may even jazz up the performance with 100 grain Barnes TSX bullets @ 3300 fps or so. Maybe a rechamber to 25-06 Ackley Improved (AI)! :twisted:

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I had a Mark IV Deluxe and loved it. Traded it for a Colt SAA 1st generation mainly because I stopped deer hunting.
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rangerider7 wrote:I had a Mark IV Deluxe and loved it. Traded it for a Colt SAA 1st generation mainly because I stopped deer hunting.
Well i think you need to get another Weatherby Mark V DeLuxe in 257 or 270 Weatherby and start hunting again or atleast thats the excuse you can use :wink:
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Re: OT- 257 Weatherby Magnum ??????

Post by getitdone1 »

I had a Mark V Weatherby in 257 years ago. Made in Germany and had an unusual satin finish or the former owner took the gloss off of it. Lovely gun and cartridge. The short bolt throw and large bolt handle knob--I really like.

Problem is, I'm a Winchester lover and with bolt guns it's the Model 70. So that leaves me with the 270 or 243 to be in the 257 ball park with this gun. Recently bought a pre-64 model 70 in 270 and expect it'll do all the 257 Weatherby will do with a little less speed when using the varmint weight bullets. Might be better with it's heavier bullets for large animals. Still, I believe if you use a tough bullet and place the shot the 257 Weatherby will do for any North American game.

All these cartridges are great cartridges!

I am always amazed about how little we've improved since the introduction of the 30-06 over 100 years ago. Trouble is with nothing but 30-06's to buy there would be far fewer gun sales and the manufacturers know this. And, the gun world would be much less interesting. As gun lovers we live in the best of times with super abundance of all kinds of guns and ammo!

Don McCullough
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Re: OT- 257 Weatherby Magnum ??????

Post by Markbo »

Don, the .257W is bases on the .300 H&H. Rebarrel an M70 and you're golden! :D
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Re: OT- 257 Weatherby Magnum ??????

Post by rafter-7 »

I got one in remington 700 grey laminate 100 grain barnes X and showing pressure it was going 3880 over a chrony and put a three shot clover leaf at 100 yards yes I am pleased finnally a gun that can out perform my 270 P.O. Ackley that i had built 20 years ago however the 257 did not get it by much

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