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winfever, you say you use both sets of dies to reload your 50-110...Do you have to use both sets for some reason or do you mean that both sets work independently.

Have you shot any 50 alaskan cartridges in your 50-110.

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bronco, thats australia.lol. fordwannabe, I would love to know what was done to the internals of your rifle. IS your rifle a browning 71? If so am wondering if you have the carrier link installed, the schematics dont show the carrier link in the browning 71 but do show it in the 86. Cant wait to hea...

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patc, thanks for the great info. Any particular brand of cutter. Dont want a cheapo and have it break on me.

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Pat c. The pic of the mag tube holder, what tool did you use for that?

And, what size dovetail tool did you use, and where is a good place to get that dovetail tool.
Thanks

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Hi pat c.thanks for the info and great pics,exactly what I plan to do..
I've been on green mtn site a few times and can't find any 50cal barrels with a tighter twist then 1-24.
Ill call them in the morning and see if they have any barrels with a tighter twist.

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Six gun.
Thanks for chiming in and correcting me, all is good, sorry my last message came out that way.. I'm not looking for blueprints just fun socialising thoughts from fellow enthusiasts. I stand corrected.

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hey sixgun. I was at work when i saw your post. But the picture of the second edition 1886 and 1892 sure looked familiar. So when i got home I looked thru all my old boxes of books and lo and behold I have the first edition, 1866,1873 and 1876...and I have the second edition 1886 and 1892. Thanks so...

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oh man, .030" over size would be a nightmare.....
Awesome, so thats the book to get, im on it.
thanks six gun.

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Anyone have any info if the dovetails on an 86 winchester big bore barrel are all machined with the same dovetail tool?
I understand the mag holder is a twist in dovetail.

Am also curious if the other three dovetails, forearm and sights are tapered dovetails or straight through even.
thanks.

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i think rcbs discontinued 50-110. I am going to start making phone calls and forget about the main web sites. I do understand that there is probably other dies to use. I think 50 Alaskan could be used. But I am not knowledgeable enough at this time to be mixing calibers, dies and cases without findi...

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m.m.- I think the 1876 50-95 case dimensions are substantially different from the 1886 50-110. Finding the correct dies are a must before i start the project, but also so far I havnt gotten any feedback help on machining needed to accomplish this. So think its time to back off a little and wait till...

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JFE,,yep you and crs are both guiding me in that direction. And i already have the 45-90 dies. Since i have completely struck out on the 50cal dies I may just have to put that project on hold till dies become available. CH4D said it would be march 2023 before they start making 50cal dies again. 2yea...

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great, then i wont worry about it for a short barreled build.
thanks

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hi MM, yes I want to full length resize for ease of chambering. And an expander, seater. and a taper crimp die. that has 7/8" die body threads for rock crusher.

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cant find any dies for 50-110 win. Tried C4HD and they dont have any and are quite a ways out before they will be making that caliber again. AM wondering what dies can be substituted and work good for a 50-110 with .512 bullet? They do have 50 alaskan dies if those work, but thinking the alaskan is ...

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Reading that full length mag tubes in 50-100 have a way of destroying themselves due to the slide hammer effect of heavy cartridges rebounding in mag tube during firing. Anyone familiar with this? Maybe I don't need to over think this part since I am building a short rifle! Trying to decide if I sho...

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Thanks vancelw

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Getting ready to pull a browning model 71 mag tube out of my rifle and am wondering if it is a press/push fit or is it threaded into the receiver?
thanks
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5,6,7,8,9, I have info on, doesnt mean that i am not looking for more info. Machining info I need?

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black river, I have been in contact with winchesterbarrels.com. Since I am doing most my own smithing they are looking like the ones to buy a complete barrel from, thanks.

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great responses folks, thanks.Just ordered the brownells magna tip, 44pc set, should get me started. I looked at the weaver sets and others and just didnt have any faith in them. All my gunsmithing efforts in the past have been rivets and roll pins. Im into something new now. And its getting excitin...

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Looking to get a set of quality screw drivers that work best for Winchester/Browning model 71 that don't bugger up the screw heads.
Ideas?
Thanks

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Hi bill, yes I do have a copy of mike venturinos lever guns. I have lots more studying to do on this subject, I would think to be down in the 1-20 range , maybe I'm way out in left field on that one. This is why I won't order my barrel till I feel comfortable with my knowledge gained on all my quest...

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Mm Wright. Tree bones site says his stuff won't work on miroku rifles , I do want a full length tube. I Will check with green mtg. Not sure what "track of the wolf " is but Will research. I am familiar with the rotary dovetails, thanks for the reminder. Finding dies does seem to be a probl...

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Hi all Just picked up my donor rifle today, early serial number Browning model71 in as new condition, just came out of a 600 gun collection. So am on my way trying to learn as much as I can with your help to fulfill this build. Thinking of building a src if I can find the correct barrel bands and fo...

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Bronco, I will try the pistol grip especially since I am looking for the browning 71 in 348. slide on decelerator pad is my friend on my 45-90.

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fordwannabe thanks for chiming in. I live in Bozeman, its not the small cowboy town anymore, been here 30 years and am looking for a small town to move to. You had your 86 rebored from what caliber? I am going to start with a browinchester model 71 348, so hopefully wont have to do to much interior ...

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With the minimal schooling I have in this subject seems as though a miroku in 348 is the way to start this project due to the magazine, lifter and other parts designed for the 348 which is based on the 50 cartridge which means less interior work and the mag is already designed for 50cal. Does anyone...

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CRS... your pic of your miroku shows straight stock and crescent butt....I seem to be able to find "web pics" of straight stock rifles but cant find any with crescent butt. Is yours a special addition ?

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thanks for the responses folks. Great web site--https://www.ch4d.com/Media/files/manuals/ds.pdf---wow.

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crs. I have a marbles/lyman (cant remember) peep on my 45-90 along with the standard of the antique era barrel sights..Its really interesting shooting with all three sighting plains lined up together. I have mine sighted for 100yds thats about all my old eyes can handle. I havent shot any open sight...

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crs, buckeyeshooter, great info, I am NOT up to date at all on modern leverguns, after getting crs's response and now yours i have been looking for the japanese winchester (is it called a model 71) and has sealed the deal for me on that rifle, but have zero luck finding one,i'm not very techy. In a ...

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crs, thank you for answering all my questions, the info really helps.

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buckeyeshooter, rimfire, i havnt studied the 50 alaskan as of yet, but since the case is .200 shorter then the win 50 assuming the chamber in the 50 alaskan is cut deep enough for 500+gr slugs to be seated normally?

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ajmd--Big Horn Armory model 89 18” carbine in 500 S&W; 7+1 capacity, I have looked at these and they look very interesting. ray--I do have a semi auto slug gun and love it just havnt bought an 18" barrel for it. I think bill in oregon said it correctly "But it is not nearly as romantic...

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Hi crs. the 1895 is on my list for down the road, thats a beauty.. Right now its a companion for my two antique 86s. I have really thought long and hard on a 45-90 and I might end up there if I cant find any 50-100 or 50 alaskan dies, which I havnt been able to find. Do have a few question for you. ...

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hi grizz nice of you to chime in. I load my 44 mag with 300 gr hard cast lfn gas checks, if i remember correctly somewhere around 1200, havnt tried the 400 gr slugs. But i do know what my antique 45-70 shooting 405gr hard cast rnfp gas checks at 1350 do to a 1/4" steel plate at 250 yards, hole ...

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mm wright, ive been tempted for 40 years to buy a nice 73, still havnt done it. yes my src 50 cal will be a fish shooter.
Been searching for dies and may end up going with 50 alaskan .200" shorter case which should allow room for a 500 grain bullet to feed nicely in a model 71.

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Hi rimfire, yes both of my 86s are NOT nickel steel, 1889 and 1891 and both are full length 26" which is to long for a compact rifle. I have pondered the idea of building a modern 45-90 since I have all i need to reload it, but am a tinkerer so new ground is the place for me as long as i can fi...

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Hi all. Long time lurker first time joining and posting. little about me. My favorite firearms are my 86 win 45-70 and 45-90, both antiques, i reload both and have taken many whitetails with both but other then that I am a newbie to working on leverguns but have extensive experience in building and ...

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