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I also have an original brown gripped-1968 Walther PPK in .380 ACP....and a 67 Walther PP in 22lr. They are good little guns...well made.

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It's 16 years later, and this thread is still being quoted for reference on other lever gun sites. Bob Hagel did a reloading review in HANDLOADER Magazine including his own loadings for the 1895 Marlin. This was in the 1970s and his loads were stout, but NOTHING remotely resembling "pistol powd...

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Have an early one made for the 30 Army. Then carefully modified by someone to load
30 Govt 06 cartridges, Works well.

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Indeed, almost 50% of voters, who voted in the election held in November are still out there. With the migrants, criminals, and corrupt politicians/DAs like Bragg in New York. They will be around for the next election, just like the socialist untermenschen who compose the Democrat Party. We dodged t...

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Hopefully.....
Obama, a Third term counting his advising Biden-Harris. BHO: A mystical Islamic Trojan horse half-witted smooth pervert from British East.....

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My little 1952 99-EG is quite accurate. Last successful experiment involved snipping the 3 gr lead tip from the 100 gr Nosler Partition bullets. It stabilizes these quite well. Nothing heavier, however. Point and click with tang Lyman #1A and a 95 Marbles fold-down sporting rear sight. Very slick Sa...

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And my few 86s in 33 WCF...

We deal in lead, friend.

We ALSO vote red down here, Norseman.

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The Swift 200 gr .348 bullets are tough and very well made. They come 50 bullets to a box, @ $2.00 per bullet. Hawk and Fury Bullets are approximately half that. Grizzly Ammunition Co also advertises loaded ammunition in at least two bullet offerings including a bonded core 200 gr. They appeared out...

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While this is an older thread, it provides earlier and current valuable information for the .348 WCF cartridge-which is still quite popular. All of my (5) Model 71s are pre-War Winchesters, though I have owned Browning versions, which are accurate. The M-71s and the 348 cartridge are important enoug...

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Over time in 2 pre-war 71s in 450 Alaskan and 450 Fuller, IMR/H 4198 and IMR 3031 powders have given the best results as to both velocity and accuracy. Most of the bullets used were Alaska Bullet Works bonded 400 gr along with Hawk 400 gr jacketed bullets. Some of the 350 gr older thick case Hornady...

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Another update to the 33 Winchester: Starline or other 40-65 brass is an excellent method of obtaining 33 WCF brass with less trouble. Use the FL 33 size die on ANNEALED 40-65 case necks. It really shortens the process and you won't lose brass through errant re-sizing. Annealing adds life to cases a...

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Well, I have had a few horses and still have 3 McCllelan saddles-the best saddle for rough mountain country like AZ-NM and points west. That said, an older BMW R-bike makes more sense. Economical and easy to work on. No computers, very popular in Europe & USA- will do well on rough roads. Horses...

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As a combat veteran AND a retired Army officer/Federal agent- I have become an independent God-fearing believer; Jefferson, Patrick Henry and Thomas Paine understood the danger of government growth. Orwell's 1984 is a bit late, but be observant and slow to be vocal on voicespeak-remember thoughtcrim...

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While an older post, this is a relatively rare topic. The 4350 range of slow powders is excellent for 250 gr bullets. It tends to fill the case better than 4064 and other middle burning rate powders. "Go slow" -start low. Lever action rifles cannot be hot rodded with pressure. I stick to l...

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The original question involved the 44 SPL vs 9mm. If you do not need to penetrate anything much (auto glass, car doors, etc.) the 44 hands down. Otherwise its the 9mm with almost SMG-Anglia hot ammunition. For potential bear problems in the North woods, I carry a 450 Alaskan M-71 pre-war Winchester....

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TreWax has carnauba wax in it. Rare now.
It will also serve to protect blued finishes. I use
it on Parker, Fox and LC Smith goose-turkey guns.

And on an 1885 HW SS in 45-60. It works better than imagined.

Do NOT use WD-40 on any firearms you respect or wish to keep.

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First rate.
JLs knowledge and writing has caused me to re-think my 45 Colt loadings in
both my Ruger SA and two New Service Colt revolvers. The
NS Colts have their own pressure limitations but are supremely accurate.

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Also ran.....
But prefer the .35 Whelen in a custom pre-64 Model 70 with an almost Super Grade stock. With Nosler or Swift bullets,
it becomes almost a Rigby magazine rifle in .350 Rigby with steel cased solids."

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My Dad would agree with the constructive comments posted, if he were alive now. He was a bombardier on the B-24 "Modest Maiden" with 30 missions over occupied France and Germany. There are only so many of these A/C flying and we lost two with crew. Fuel and oil consumption very high on a B...

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Nothing likr re-opening an older nylon or linen thread. I play with a Sharps and a Winchester 1885 HW SS-both in 45 2.1 Been looking for tapered bullets. Harder to patch, but allows full cartridge length for BP loads. Works well for smokeless too. Experiment & patience. Masking tape or 25% cotto...

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This is a lever gun outfit, so I will ride for the brand. I added to a 2013 post-but time for an update: The Winchester and Browning Model 71s are still relatively popular, and the 348 cases are widely reloaded. The W-W and Starline brass are still being made, but at Midway and Grafs, ET Brass- you ...

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Perhaps time to update data and bullet availability for the 348 Win. .348 WCF: Hornady has discontinued the 200 gr FP jacketed bullets, unfortunately. (For reloading 348 cases & bullets-QuickLoad IS NOT your best source-look at Ken Waters and Handloader or other sources) I have 4 Model 71 Winche...

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You are right, AJMD:
We need to keep it going. My former bro-in-law lives in Carmel, now. He is an
almost retired-heart surgeon. From New Albany...Hoosiers ......
" It came from little kids running around saying: Who's yer daddy...??."

I may have some military brass...

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Having spent a great deal of time in state and Federal law enforcement, there appears to be a thread of similarity between certain leftists who are unhappy, and inner city gang members. Freud might liken it to misplaced anger resulting in sociopathic behavior. Violence as a result of no stable home ...

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Nice area near Cherokee,N.C. in the Smokey Mtns-near Townsend and Knoxville, TN.

HRM

1951 BMW R 51/3 1962 BMW R 69/S 1886 Winchesters & Model 71 s

Socialism: The creed of ignorance and envy, with the equal sharing of misery. Churchill-Prime Minister

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Recidivism is being able to do it again. Stop-and -frisk is the LEnf term for reason to believe/probable cause to search and remove firearms. Juliani had it right for NYC- As a former state/Federal agent-our Tombstone era society will not reward or defend you. The police are now a bit nervous about ...

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IN grizzly and general bear country, a practical 45 Colt in a Colt New Service or Ruger SA with BBL length limited to around 5- to 7 1/2 inches is practical. A 300 gr bullet at 950 FPS will discourage most bears. Repeat shots may be necessary, so recoil is an actual issue with the 454 on up. In the ...

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Bear:

Marlin is right.

I used 450 Alaskan and 450 Fuller older reject 348 brass for practice and finally got some good 45-75 wcf cartridges.
It DOES help to anneal the cases as brass work hardens fast.

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Bear:

348 brass will work re-sized.

Had an 1885 SS in 45-75 WCF. Technically a "lever" action SS. Still have an 1885 in 45-60, made in 1887. VG bore, still shoot it.

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Cochise County, AZ. has about 19 varieties of rattlesnake. The Mojaves all the way to Western diamonds and blacktails. My rule after a few years was let em go unless they were coiled and striking. Then they are history. Had a Rottweiler and a pit bull both attack me and my horse. Had warned the guy ...

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The way i "fixed" the knock sensor issue is by selling my 2003 4-Runner. Someone wanted it bad-as it looked nice. I told him about the issues, but he was more interested in the low mileage. It sold this week. Will miss it and went to Yellowstone and Canada. Luckily, PT Barnum was right. Fo...

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Carry a steel Commander -hard chrome finish to protect during summer heat. Roy's Leather or Milt Sparks rigs... During colder months its 1911 Colts like the full-size Series 70 forged steel with NM barrels. Have a couple of them, accurate and handle +P loads real nice. Extra magazines are an excelle...

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Grizz: I have a 4WD 96 and a 2003 2WD version. The newer one has 163 K and the 96-137 K A 2000 Tundra std 5-speed-anti-theft trans . The Tundra has roll-down windows... The later 98-on 4-Rs have good engines but watch out for mice near the engine/harness. A useless device is the knock sensors. Maybe...

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In keeping with the original title and meaning of the thread: I REALLY would rather have a heavy lever action -in places like Canada or Alaska -like an original 1886 or Model 71 Winchester. The 450 Alaskan can be loaded with 400gr Kodiak/Hawk/Woodleigh/Swift jacketed bullets to right at 2000 FPS. Th...

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Andy Hill is the Prop. A decent lad who works hard. Be patient, Covid and back orders have slowed everyone down. Their bullets are excellent, especially for rifles like older Winchesters and Marlins. A letter might also work. I have his bullets for the 348 and 33 WCF. They work better than most for ...

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Doug Peacock-now in MT-may have the best philosophy on Mr. Grizzly, along with Montague Stevens.
Unless needed for the pot, let them keep roaming the mountains.

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This is excellent information for those of us who still have Winchester or Marlin rifles in 33 WCF. I have a couple of these fine 1886 Models in 33 WCF and they are excellent stalking rifles for deer or black bear. Hawk bullets in NJ makes an excellent bullet in 180 or 200 gr FP, perfect for the 33 ...

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The early 5th Group Flash attached to the beret was black During the Vietnam era, the 5th Gp flash was changed with the Vietnamese colors diagonally across a black field. The 10th Gp flash was green. This flash resembles an 11th SFG (USAR) flash.Early VN tours were TDY out of Okinawa. All indicators...

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Getting in late to this interesting and useful topic on the 33 WCF. I have 3 1886 Winchester rifles in this caliber. The extra lightweight rapid tapers are just about the same weight as a 94 or half magazine M-55. But more SD and stopping power for its size. Ben Lilly used one on grizzlies in NM in ...

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The 1886 in 33 WCF was the fore runner of the Model 71. I like to to open up old dead threads and revive them with gunsmoke! Since I have 3 -1886 rifles in 33 WCF, have learned a thing or two. Still have 4 boxes of the old Hornady 200 gr FP jacketed InterLok bullets. They are better bullets than tho...

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Time to rejuvenate this 348 area of interest. Maybe "resurrect" interest. Since I am older than the new brass offered now.... I have some "standing bear' original 250 gr ST boxes. You can't have too many 86s or Model 71 rifles. The "new" premium bullets in 348, like Swift, W...

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The Athabascan native hunters in the far north used single shot Winchesters in 45-90 or other rifle/cartridge combinations. The old saying that what you have in your hands will be one's "bear rifle"-when the time comes-is true. This Canadian tale seems to have been related near the turn of...

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Known Gary for years: This is an old topic. But....Gary is still alive and does a little business from time to time. He is still in Fort Worth and has severe back and memory issues. He can find hard to place sights-the kind that are only in Nick Stroebel's book on old sights. Like many of us-his mem...

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I have a few 1886 Winchester rifles and an 1885 in 45-60 WCF. Cup and base luballoy jacketed bullets, AKA 95% of jacket material is a copper alloy-malleable for bullet jacket forming. BUT-still potential there to wear much faster than lead. The EXCEPTION is Hawk bullets which are heat treated copper...

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John Mosby received his promotion as head of the 43rd Partisan Rangers through the intercession of GEN J.E.B. Stuart to RE Lee. Mosby now lies in the Warrenton, VA Cemetery. Some of my long distant cousins fought with Mosby-in Mosby's Confederacy-near Upperville and Winchester. They now lie in their...

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If it is still alive and well -would like to be placed on the list. For Tom Horn.

I have Charles Bronson and Lee Marvin in "Death Hunt". The RCMP
chasing after Albert Johnson in the NWT and Yukon.

1873 Winchesters, Marlin and 30WCF 1899 Savage.

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TRY DHL-International.

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Alaska has some interesting homesteader subsistence F&W rules during the moose season. My last large bull moose was taken with a Winchester Model 71 re-chambered to 348 Ackley Improved. That caliber was one of P.O. Ackley's favorites as it delivered on improved velocity on all bullet weights. Th...

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Uniquely beautiful and functional. Don't forget that T. Roosevelt used his special order 1876 and 1886 half magazine rifles in the Dakotas and all over. Extra finished rifles with a slight blemish lend character. Don't be discouraged to use them. The elk and moose I have killed with Winchester 71s a...

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The real reasons for not supplying photographs are that I am tech challenged by laziness and can't get my 35mm Nikon wired to the Mboard or monitor. That and having had three (3) jobs in the metro D.C. area long enough ago to retire with more illegal enemies than friends. If we have some lads here w...

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