45LC load data opinion.

[Jay Bird]

I want to push a .452 dia 255gr RNFP or SWC lead cast 1400 fps(as fast as I can with no leading). I am thinking 18grs of 2400. this is being shot out of a win 1892 20in barrel. Can't find anything in my manuals for 45lc rifle.
What do you guys think Thanks

[reo]

Paco has a great article in the Article section of http://www.leverguns.com, if you start there it will probably be your answer. He goes through the different strengths of rifles and a lot of loads for them. The only load I have used in my 45C Henry was 18.5 grains of 2400 with a 290grain RCBS Keith SWC. As I have posted before I took a deer last year with it on a neck shot. It never moved, great performance. Of course it exited. I think the load you listed from that barrel will be closer to 1600, again check Paco's article.

I had the opportunity as an LEO to go to a product demonstration by Remington and Smith and Wesson. When we went through all of the pistol rounds offered, in the gelatin and our duty ammo. We finished and they asked if anyone had anything else they wanted to test. I asked if it was allright to try my Ruger Blackhawk 4 5/8" 45C I had in the truck. They gave the green light. Most of the rounds tested, (9mm, 40, and 45ACP) penetrated 12 to 16 inches of gelatin. I told them I had a 250 grain Lee SWC cast bullet with 18.5 grains of 2400 and it would penetrate a lot. They put up three feet of gelatin and the load shot right through it. They put up four feet and it went through 42 inches and velocity was just over 1000fps, as I remember. The results were on Remingtons site for a while. I have been unable to find it in the last year. Definately check out Paco's article, he's my favorite gun writer, because of all the load data he offers.

[kooz]

The 18gr of 2400 should get you real close to 1400 out of a 20" bbl. I shoot this load out of my Rossi and trapper both with very good acuraccy and the bbl stays very clean. I had leading in both with hardcast .452 bullets, then changed to a softer lead bullet @ 16BHN sized to .453 and my groups pulled in and leading was no longer an issue. Good luck

[J Miller]

I've gone as high as 18.5 grs of 2400 with a heavier KSWC with no leading. I have no idea what the velocity was / is.
This is from a 16" Win 94AE Trapper and a 20" Marlin 1894 Cowboy.

I like the load quite a bit.

Joe

[JerryB]

reo,that is what I would call penetration, I bet that sure made some jaws tight to have an old .45 lead load out perform the new wonder stuff.

[adirondakjack]

Out of a 24 inch Marlin, a 250 LRNFP ran 1375 fps with 10.5 grains of Unigue. The load you mention ought to run somewhere around 1450-1500.

[Jay Bird]

Thanks alot fellas.
Kooz, we will be talking soon.

[Jay Bird]

My bullet of choice in my 92 is a .454 dia RNFP.

[reo]

JerryB,

It was a memorable moment to the 20+ LEO's in attendance when the first 36" were blown through. It was magnified by the fact we were spending several hours shooting gelatin and only getting about max 18" of penetration. Of course the the main point of the seminar was to show how their rounds would reliably expand after going through combinations of glass/clothing layers then in to the gelatin and not exit the primary target or if it did, have little energy left over for unintended targets. The two rounds that shined in this area regardless of claiber were the Remington Golden Saber and the Speer Gold Dot. Nearly identical. We tested many other brands of hollowpoints too.

[Old Savage]

Very interesting info - that is about what this one is loaded with.

[rjohns94]

OS - did you make that knife? very nice looking.

[Don McDowell]

That 2400 load won't get ya there it'll fall closer to 1300 or less.
To get to the 1400 fps mark maximum charges of h110/296 will get it done, but they're pretty fierce on the recoil .

[O.S.O.K.]

Use the load data listed for Rugers and add about 20% to the velocity for your carbine.

A load of H110 should be able to send it out your barrel quite a bit faster - try using Lee's Liquid Alox lube - I use it for my cast bullet rifle loads clocking 2000 fps with absolutely no leading.

[.45colt]

Out of my 24" barrel, 18.5 gr of 2400 under my Lyman/Keith 265 gr went 1490fps thru the chrony.
the same bullet over 27gr of 296 went 1800fps.
both very good shooting loads.

[86er]

We're getting 1475 from a rifle pushing a 300 gr cast with 22.2 gr 296. It seems you should be able to reduce that with at 250 gr and easily get the velocity you want.

[KCSO]

Don't load anything for your rifle that won't fire safely in your weakest revolver. Somewhere, sometime, somehow a hot load will end up in your prized XXX. And if that load is not a safe one kiss your XXX goodbye, been there done that. Now remember DA Son in Law do NOT fire that box of red painted shells in the b/p Colt 45. "Got it Dad", the next day, say did'nt you say... As I was presented with pieces of my Colt. I have one of the finest M92 copies made of the strongest steel and I load 16 grains of 2400 and a 250 bullet, it might not be real hoot but it gets the job done and won't ruin anything else. If I need hot I take the 44 mag.

[1886]

Leading is not always a function of velocity. I know you are aware of this but it it worth mentioning. 1886.