Politics - The Brit's Want Their Guns Back!

[Ysabel Kid]

This is dated from May this year, and is a bit long (9 minutes), but very well worth watching.

http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.co ... -guns.html

As we have heard from out peers in the U.K., Canada and Austraila, the best thing we can do here in the USA is not let the government get to the same point.

Priority # 1 in that should be the defeat of Obama this fall. Gun confiscation here in the same manner as elsewhere around the globe is a leftist's wet dream!

[Doc Hudson]

Speaking of our Canadian friends on this forum, I really ought to lasso them and drag them over to another forum. There are a group of their Canadian Liberals who need a decent education about Freedom and firearms.

[gamekeeper]

Nearly half a million of us marched on Parliament but the government did not listen. The politicians (spit) of all western countries know that most "voters" are namby pamby sheeple that will vote for any BS they and the media come up with if they put enough spin on it!

[gundownunder]

The most exciting part of that vid was the fact that some cops and some politicians actually spoke up and said " we got it wrong " and " the system needs to change".
If some are saying it , they can get more to say it and eventually they will be able to turn it around.
If civilians are going to keep their guns I think we all need to support our national progun lobby group and start making ourselves heard just as the antis are.
Do the Brits have a national progun lobby group like the NRA or SSAA?

[FWiedner]

This is dated from May this year, and is a bit long (9 minutes), but very well worth watching.

http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.co ... -guns.html

As we have heard from out peers in the U.K., Canada and Austraila, the best thing we can do here in the USA is not let the government get to the same point.

Priority # 1 in that should be the defeat of Obama this fall. Gun confiscation here in the same manner as elsewhere around the globe is a leftist's wet dream!

Priority # 1 in that should be the defeat of Obama AND McCain this fall. Gun confiscation here in the same manner as elsewhere around the globe is EVERY government's wet dream!

[Blackhawk]

Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

The Brits are learning that the hard way. I hope and pray they get their rights back.

As a side note. My neighbor came by yesterday as I was out mowing my yard. He is 67 and I'm 35. We got to talking about political gun views. I was glad to hear him state to me that he and I are a different cut from the society norm.

Johnny

[kimwcook]

I hope for their sake they do get their RKBA back. I couldn't imagine having to try and protect me and mine with a baseball bat against multiple attackers and they have guns.

[KCSO]

Gun, Knife, baseballl bat, it makes NO difference. You are NOT allowed to protect yourself. Hurt a burglar and YOU will be charged, after all two wrongs can't make a right.

[gamekeeper]

Do the Brits have a national progun lobby group like the NRA or SSAA?

Yeah, we have a progun lobby, BASC British Association for Shooting and Conservation. The last handgun ban march I went on they tried to stop it from taking place! They do some good legal work for individual members who fall foul of our stupid gun laws but they do not have enough teeth to bite politicians with! We also have our own NRA but the only thing in common with the NRA of America is the name. There are other shooting rights groups and they mostly make the right noises but they have very little influence on the government.
I have been a paid up member of several pro shooting associations over the last 40 years and sadly I have given up on all of them. I may get flack from some loyal members for saying this but IMHO they are run by people that enjoy the "The Hunt Ball" type of do, rather than fighting the government.

We seem in Britain to be too fragmented, clay shooters look out for clay shooters, game shooters look out for game shooters and poor old hand gun shooters being a minority, were not supported enough by ALL until it was too late! A case of "I'm alright Jack".
That's one thing I've noticed about you guys, even if you don't like "Black Rifles" you support those that do!

One of our worst enemies is the Gutter Press, we have two news papers here called "The Mirror" and the "Sun" I wouldn't even put them in an outhouse! These papers, favorites of the sheeple tell their readers how to vote for a better life, free of crime etc. and more lovely topless girls on page three! One of these pathetic rags had a poll about the Handgun Ban and because it didn't tally with their views the result was hushed up and they went ahead with printing a load of anti gun BS propaganda!

I have not used a smilie as there ain't one that shows enough pain!!

[cnjarvis]

It would be nice to see the various gun and sporting associations unite under a single banner to defend ALL hunting and shooting sports. I wonder what it would take to do something like that?

I can't wait until our friends from Telford, UK come over again at Thanksgiving. They'll be staying with us and the husband (native brit, his wife is from SE OK) is anti if I understand the wife correctly. This should be interesting...

[Nath]

Well spoken GK, same here as in given up on the BASC, I don't like mixing with brown nosers!
Divide and conquer the great British ethos.

Nath.

[O.S.O.K.]

A half million people march and the parliment ignores this? Good Lord! Perhaps its time for a new "lend-lease" program for the British Citzens - for an armed revolt! That sounds like what is needed to get the government's attention!

I could be convinced to donate a semi auto AK47 for the purpose...

Now all's we need are some victory ships to take em over....

I thought we fought together against Hitler and then the USSR to end and stop this kind of oppression!

[ole pizen slinger]

Once you lose them (rights) you never get them back. The prudent course of action is not to lose them in the first place.
Ole Pizen Slinger

[Ysabel Kid]

We seem in Britain to be too fragmented, clay shooters look out for clay shooters, game shooters look out for game shooters and poor old hand gun shooters being a minority, were not supported enough by ALL until it was too late! A case of "I'm alright Jack".

That's one thing I've noticed about you guys, even if you don't like "Black Rifles" you support those that do!

GK -

I rail against this all the time - and it is another reason I like this forum too (we do all support one another). I have heard too many times a fellow gun owner who enjoys one type of shooting not willing to support another that enjoys a different type of gun or shooting. Worse, I've seen them willing to throw the other under the bus. It is the insane belief that if you compromise with an alligator he'll eat you last. Even if he does - you still get eaten!

The anti's learned a long time ago that running headlong against the 2nd Amendment wasn't going to work. So they have nibbled at it's edges for decades, and practiced a "divide and conquer" strategy - unfortunately to good effect, mainly due to the lack of resistance from the large body of gun enthusiasts once they target a small portion...

Once you lose them (rights) you never get them back. The prudent course of action is not to lose them in the first place.
Ole Pizen Slinger

Amen. Just like a government program or bureaucracy - once created, it never gets killed!

[mklwhite]

Here's hoping that they get them. But they'll have to do it in a very controlled legal way. If there is any, and I mean any, violence associated with the RKBA movement it will be fuel for the fire against it.

[Borregos]

Doc Hudson,
It is IMPOSSIBLE to educate Canadian liberals, they simply will not listen to anything we say!!

All gun owners MUST stick together or they will get us by dividing and conquering. I see this only too well at one of the clubs I belong to, the trap and skeet guys cared nothing about the handgun owners problems until long gun registration (precursor to confiscation) came along and then they started crying, too late!!

[donw]

ole pizen slinger has it right! don't allow them to take away those rights in the first place.

another thing that is a "must" is to throw out of office, those who pass such insidious laws...i'd even go so far as to say the ones who enforce those laws, too...

it never ceases to amaze me at how LEO will go out and purchase the latest in tactical gear, firearms, ammo, nite vision equipment, etc to use against the population that pays for it...and to top it off, that population is prohibited BY LAW in many, if not most instances, from owning the same equipment...(such as: night vision rifle scopes, forward mounted handles, hi cap mags as some examples...at least here in california.)

in other words: legislators want you to pay for the ways and means they will use to oppress us with...plain and simple.

[O.S.O.K.]

Saying that they shouldn't of let their rights be taken to start with is little help to them now... a good warning to those who haven't yet lost them but no good to those who have.

I know that in this country if things deteriorate to the point of national registration that the immediate response must be mass protest and then if necessary, violence... or it will all be lost. I personally refuse to allow this to happen in my country. It is simply unacceptable.

I think the Brits need to push the mass protest to the next level. And if that doesn't work to restore their liberties then they have no other choice - that or give up and continue to slip into the abyss of tyranny.

This is not bravado. It is a choice of risk for life and liberty or no risk for slavery. To me, an easy choice.

ETA - I think that we should be protesting enmass here right now - in California, Illinios, Mass., New Jersey, Michigan, etc. It would go a long way toward heading off any further BS.